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Any Media Players Support Blu-ray 3D ISOs?

post #1 of 120
9/12/11 at 1:37pm
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We've had the format for about a year or more now... Any media players which support this?

I keep hoping for a stepped up Dune product, but no dice so far.

I have a fully integrated Dune Base 3.0 in my home, which I truly enjoy and an AppleTV which I fully hate.

This unit likely will be dedicated to my Samsung 64D7000 and I would like to add my 3D titles to my network.

No, I don't want to convert to something other than frame packed native 1080p HD 3D, for those who would suggest it.
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post #2 of 120
9/12/11 at 1:55pm
Nope, not yet. Ended up buying a Panasonic DMP-BDT110 to tide me over. Not thrilled about going back to discs, but hoping it's temporary and that we'll see full resolution Blu-ray 3D streamers by year's end or early 2012. The Xtreamer Prodigy is due on 10/5 (so, another 3 weeks), but I'm wary of Xtreamer given their history. But, maybe this time, they'll actually deliver.
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post #3 of 120
9/12/11 at 1:58pm
...and on a related note, I don't know of a way to rip just the movie (ISO or MKV) that retains full 3D as yet. I know you can covert to SBS with DVDFab or do a clone of the full disc (menus, etc. intact), but not just the movie.
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post #4 of 120
9/12/11 at 7:17pm
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Originally Posted by Brajesh View Post

...and on a related note, I don't know of a way to rip just the movie (ISO or MKV) that retains full 3D as yet. I know you can covert to SBS with DVDFab or do a clone of the full disc (menus, etc. intact), but not just the movie.

DVDFab will do just the movie and retain it.
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post #5 of 120
9/12/11 at 7:31pm
PCH C200 advertises as being able to play 3D isos. I have yet to test it.
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post #6 of 120
9/13/11 at 5:45am
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PCH C200 advertises as being able to play 3D isos. I have yet to test it.

They cannot play frame-packed 3D... only side-by-side or over-under rips.
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post #7 of 120
9/13/11 at 6:41am
Yeah, Brajesh nailed it, no media players currently support. Several of us have asked about the Prodigy since it is advertising as such but as usual we get the vague response. For now if you want to play back full 3D Blu-rays go the HTPC route, hope that the Prodigy is the real deal, or wait until next year when the SMP8910 players come out
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post #8 of 120
9/13/11 at 7:24am
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DVDFab will do just the movie and retain it.

Are you sure about this? When I put in a 3D Blu-ray and fired up DVDFab, it only gave me two options under their 3D tab: convert to side-by-side (SBS) 3D or convert to 2D. Also, looking at their forums, their last post on this subject says "A Main Movie 3D copy is not available for now." This was over 2 months ago though, but it appears a main movie full frame-packed 3D ISO rip is still not possible. Would love to be proven wrong.
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post #9 of 120
9/13/11 at 7:28am
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Originally Posted by Brajesh View Post

...and on a related note, I don't know of a way to rip just the movie (ISO or MKV) that retains full 3D as yet. I know you can covert to SBS with DVDFab or do a clone of the full disc (menus, etc. intact), but not just the movie.

I don't even think the MKV-format supports frame packed 3D at all. In MKV, a video track has a StereoMode flag, which can have one of 15 different values. None of them is frame packed 3D of Blu-ray.
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post #10 of 120
9/13/11 at 7:30am
I don't believe it does, which is why it'd be nice to rip just the main movie to ISO w/o all the junk (intros, FBI warning, promos, etc.).
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post #11 of 120
9/28/11 at 11:18am
Selling my Panasonic DMP-BDT110 and ordered an Oppo BDP-93. Painful to pay $500 when I'm so used to $200 or less media streamers that are full-featured in so many ways. But, I just didn't want to return to discs and the Oppo plays BD 3D ISO rips via external hard drives connected to its esata or USB ports. Too bad no SMB support, and DLNA can't do ISO .

If the Xtreamer Prodigy delivers (I'm skeptical), I'll go that route, but c'mon media streamer manufacturers, build and release a full HDMI 1.4a 3D streamer already!
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post #12 of 120
9/28/11 at 11:19am
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Originally Posted by Brajesh View Post

Selling my Panasonic DMP-BDT110 and ordered an Oppo BDP-93. Painful to pay $500 when I'm so used to $200 or less media streamers that are full-featured in so many ways. But, I just didn't want to return to discs and the Oppo plays BD 3D ISO rips via external hard drives connected to its esata or USB ports. Too bad no SMB support, and DLNA can't do ISO .

If the Xtreamer Prodigy delivers (I'm skeptical), I'll go that route, but c'mon media streamer manufacturers, build and release a full HDMI 1.4a 3D streamer already!

do you really play back that many 3D Blu-rays?. Do you know have a cheap 3D BR player?
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post #13 of 120
9/28/11 at 12:10pm
I already have over 20 3D BDs; gobbling these up. Didn't think I would, but recently got an Optoma HD33 PJ, and I'm loving 3D. I'm a convert.

I have a $100 Panny BDT110, but as I noted, I don't want to do discs. So, figured the Oppo may be worthwhile until 3D media streamers come out. Hopefully I'll be able to eBay the Oppo off and get the bulk of my investment back.
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post #14 of 120
9/28/11 at 4:05pm
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Originally Posted by Brajesh View Post

I already have over 20 3D BDs; gobbling these up. Didn't think I would, but recently got an Optoma HD33 PJ, and I'm loving 3D. I'm a convert.

I have a $100 Panny BDT110, but as I noted, I don't want to do discs. So, figured the Oppo may be worthwhile until 3D media streamers come out. Hopefully I'll be able to eBay the Oppo off and get the bulk of my investment back.

Yeah, just seems like an expensive stop gap. Hopefully in the coming months the next gen media players can come through (I can't wait to dump my 3D Blu-ray player as well)
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post #15 of 120
9/28/11 at 4:29pm
Another other than Prodigy you're aware of?
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post #16 of 120
9/28/11 at 4:32pm
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Originally Posted by Brajesh View Post

Another other than Prodigy you're aware of?

Just the smp8910 players i am waiting for (dune/pch)
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post #17 of 120
9/28/11 at 7:26pm
I heard from somewhere that the Oppo will play from an external Hard drive, Blu-ray 3D ISO's... Is this true? Dvdfab will copy 1:1 of a Bluray 3D to an ISO.
Its full 3D copy. I also read from another forum, that some russian guy re-authored Sanctum 3D Bluray without the FBI warning logos and extras. Thus making a movie only Full Bluray 3D. I dont know how they did it with Sonc Scenarist 5.5?? I tried Sonic Scenarist BD 5.5 on my iMacs Bootcamp in Windows 7 and couldnt figure it out. It would not import Bluray ISO's. I even tried the Scenarist QC Bluray player emulator to see if that would play a Bluray ISO, and it would not. It crashed instead. I'm better off waiting for Syabas to make a PCH that can play Blu-ray 3D full HD ISOs.
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post #18 of 120
9/29/11 at 1:42am
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Originally Posted by theaxledentaldj View Post

I heard from somewhere that the Oppo will play from an external Hard drive, Blu-ray 3D ISO's... Is this true? Dvdfab will copy 1:1 of a Bluray 3D to an ISO.
Its full 3D copy. I also read from another forum, that some russian guy re-authored Sanctum 3D Bluray without the FBI warning logos and extras. Thus making a movie only Full Bluray 3D. I dont know how they did it with Sonc Scenarist 5.5?? I tried Sonic Scenarist BD 5.5 on my iMacs Bootcamp in Windows 7 and couldnt figure it out. It would not import Bluray ISO's. I even tried the Scenarist QC Bluray player emulator to see if that would play a Bluray ISO, and it would not. It crashed instead. I'm better off waiting for Syabas to make a PCH that can play Blu-ray 3D full HD ISOs.

According to Brajesh above the Oppo will play Blu-ray 3D ISO from an attached.

I personally will wait until PCH/Dune come out with their Blu-ray 3D Player as the Oppo for me just seems like a too pricey stop gap for an extremely limited use in my house.
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post #19 of 120
9/29/11 at 5:43am
If you look at the Oppo thread stickied at the top of the Blu-ray players section, you'll find plenty of AVS'ers using esata and/or USB drives to play 3D Blu-ray ISO rips. Some are also using 4- or 8-bay enclosures, but only certain ones seem to work. However, powered USB hubs do seem to work. I'll have my player this evening, so will report back here.

Re: cost, yep the Oppo is pricey. Last time I paid $500 for a player was the Toshiba HD-A1 (HD DVD) if I recall correctly. But, I'm hopeful 3D Blu-ray ISO streamers come out within the next couple of months and I can eBay the Oppo and get most of my investment back. For now, it's worth it to me not to rely on discs.
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post #20 of 120
9/29/11 at 6:40am
There are a whole host of Realtek 1186 based players coming out in China now that can play frame packed 3D over HDMI 1.4.

Currently 8 listed here: http://www.iboum.com/net-media-playe...eal6&rp=creal6
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post #21 of 120
9/29/11 at 7:20am
Hope they come out soon. I'll even take a no-frills (jukebox, Internet content, etc.) streamer as long as it does hd audio + frame-packed 3D ISO's.
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post #22 of 120
9/29/11 at 7:35am
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Originally Posted by Brajesh View Post

Hope they come out soon. I'll even take a no-frills (jukebox, Internet content, etc.) streamer as long as it does hd audio + frame-packed 3D ISO's.

I would however want stability/fw updates
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post #23 of 120
9/29/11 at 7:46am
True dat! No good if players don't properly do what they advertise. Boxee is a prime example w/hd audio. If something doesn't work right, it doesn't work.
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post #24 of 120
9/29/11 at 7:48am
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Originally Posted by Brajesh View Post

True dat! No good if players don't properly do what they advertise. Boxee is a prime example w/hd audio. If something doesn't work right, it doesn't work.

Yeah, I would just focus on the big guys (PCH, Dune, Xtreamer/AC Ryan/Mede8er (umm...maybe lol). I have no desire to touch any of the other knock offs
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post #25 of 120
9/30/11 at 2:13am
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Yeah, I would just focus on the big guys (PCH, Dune, Xtreamer/AC Ryan/Mede8er (umm...maybe lol). I have no desire to touch any of the other knock offs

Referring to Chinese brands as 'knock-offs' is a very old fashioned way of viewing things!

Who makes the ACRyan, Mede8er, Xtreamer products? It is those same Chinese brands.

If the Western brands are simply taking Chinese product and sticking their own badge on the front, I ask you who is knocking off who?!

The technology for Media Players is fairly standardised, and Realtek provide a highly developed SDK. All players, whether from Chinese brands or Western brands, use a very similar firmware and have near identical performance.

There may be differences in hardware quality but I don't think the distinction can be made clearly on national boundaries. A player like the HiMedia 600B is constructed with a quality and ingenuity above anything I've seen from any company anywhere. Certainly compare it to the AIOS player and the winner on quality must be HiMedia (the AIOS is a rebadged budget Chinese box).

As to firmware updates, please take a look at the forums relating to the HiMedia players. The updates are fast and frequent. Much more so than many Western companies.

Asia has a very large market for Media Players and it has a lot of customers who are eager for updates in exactly the same way people here are. The difference is that the Asian market is growing at a pace whereas the one here is not.

Asian brands are on the rise and they know it. They are fighting to become the next Sony or Asus. This competition is driving technology and standards forward.

I am from the UK and have no inherent bias towards Asia or the West, but in terms of technology and innovation I know who my money is on.
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post #26 of 120
9/30/11 at 2:20am
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Originally Posted by iboum View Post

Referring to Chinese brands as 'knock-offs' is a very old fashioned way of viewing things!

Who makes the ACRyan, Mede8er, Xtreamer products? It is those same Chinese brands.

If the Western brands are simply taking Chinese product and sticking their own badge on the front, I ask you who is knocking off who?!

The technology for Media Players is fairly standardised, and Realtek provide a highly developed SDK. All players, whether from Chinese brands or Western brands, use a very similar firmware and have near identical performance.

There may be differences in hardware quality but I don't think the distinction can be made clearly on national boundaries. A player like the HiMedia 600B is constructed with a quality and ingenuity above anything I've seen from any company anywhere. Certainly compare it to the AIOS player and the winner on quality must be HiMedia (the AIOS is a rebadged budget Chinese box).

As to firmware updates, please take a look at the forums relating to the HiMedia players. The updates are fast and frequent. Much more so than many Western companies.

Asia has a very large market for Media Players and it has a lot of customers who are eager for updates in exactly the same way people here are. The difference is that the Asian market is growing at a pace whereas the one here is not.

Asian brands are on the rise and they know it. They are fighting to become the next Sony or Asus. This competition is driving technology and standards forward.

I am from the UK and have no inherent bias towards Asia or the West, but in terms of technology and innovation I know who my money is on.

My reference to knock offs (and if you read my other post) was in reference to the software/firmware, not the hardware (maybe knock off wasn't the right term). Obviously the hardware is coming from China/Asia, but there is a huge difference with the firmware and when all is said and done a player is only as good as its software/firmware, that was my point. I simply don't want to throw my money at a player simply based on the hardware, and for me there is "some" comfort level sticking with some of the more well known names for the firmware/software side.
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post #27 of 120
9/30/11 at 2:27am
For the Realtek players (at least 1185 based) all firmwares are very similar.

Look beyond the 'skinned' front end, and the file navigation, internal options, many display icons. etc are identical.

Anyway, Realtek 1186 players coming next week. Proper 3D, HDMI 1.4 + dual boot into Android. Fairly compelling and an illustration of the pace at which China and Asia are pushing innovation forward.
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post #28 of 120
9/30/11 at 2:52am
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Originally Posted by iboum View Post

For the Realtek players (at least 1185 based) all firmwares are very similar.

Look beyond the 'skinned' front end, and the file navigation, internal options, many display icons. etc are identical.

Anyway, Realtek 1186 players coming next week. Proper 3D, HDMI 1.4 + dual boot into Android. Fairly compelling and an illustration of the pace at which China and Asia are pushing innovation forward.

True, but support for fw, fixing bugs, etc... can vary greatly between players, and when the hw is identical this is what matters most for me.
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post #29 of 120
9/30/11 at 5:47am
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Anyway, Realtek 1186 players coming next week. Proper 3D, HDMI 1.4 + dual boot into Android.

Which ones specifically? If I can order 1 or 2 of these in the U.S., I'll happily be the guinea pig. So far I'm only aware of Prodigy on October 5, assuming it launches.
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post #30 of 120
9/30/11 at 6:01am
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Originally Posted by Brajesh View Post

Which ones specifically? If I can order 1 or 2 of these in the U.S., I'll happily be the guinea pig. So far I'm only aware of Prodigy on October 5, assuming it launches.

Still no clue what is going on with that launch, and if/when the US Reseller would get it. Did you catch this on MPCClub, seems like Xtreamer is having some serious issues with Realtek:

http://www.mpcclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27655
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