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post #1561 of 1996
Seems another example of using the wrong button, or wrongly named button to do something basic.
Just as the "GoTo" button on the ePVision is the return or back function.

Like I said; "kinda stupid". rolleyes.gif
post #1562 of 1996
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

How about post 1005?
I remembered seeing that which I knew (even without that post) this surely isn't made by the owner of the Channel master name. It appears they (PCT) contracts to some electronics design company, they contract to a electronics manufacture who then contracts to a circuit board manufacture and the product gets assembled and turned over to the seller. rolleyes.gif
Wasn't the original 'Pal' designed in Europe?
PCT ? It's ENTONE company - see post#1019.

TR-50 [Pal] DVR] has been design in European E* office.
Edited by P Smith - 6/22/12 at 9:32am
post #1563 of 1996
PCT International owns the CM name;
http://pctcorporate.com/about-pct.html

CM was out of North Carolina.
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Tr-50 has been design in European E* office.
By whom and who else manufactured it?
Edited by videobruce - 6/23/12 at 3:33am
post #1564 of 1996
Channel Master antennas and products were formerly manufactured in Smithfield, NC until purchased by PCT which is headquartered in Phoenix, AZ. Most of their antennas and products are now made in China. At one time, CM also had facilities in NY. Currently, the PCT/CM dist amps may be their best product, which have reliable reports and good reviews. Most of their current antennas are not as good as their original versions, although the 4228HD gets good reviews. But their new version of the 7777/7778 preamps are still being evaluated.
post #1565 of 1996
Ok, NC. Post corrected.
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Most of their current antennas are not as good as their original versions
Understatement of the year. mad.gif
post #1566 of 1996
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

Seems another example of using the wrong button, or wrongly named button to do something basic.
Just as the "GoTo" button on the ePVision is the return or back function.
Like I said; "kinda stupid". rolleyes.gif
It's just different, not stupid. Stupid is releasing their new IP STB extender later this year with a live TV 'feature' that permanently steals a tuner from the Tivo Elite/XL4 even if you're not using the extender.
post #1567 of 1996
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

Like I said; "kinda stupid". rolleyes.gif

 

I would reserve that for opinions based solely on never using the device. :)

post #1568 of 1996
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Originally Posted by JasonR View Post

I had them both at the same time for a couple of weeks. You might be right about the advanced features once I get used to the Tivo, but my point was about ease of use and intuitiveness. If there is a learning curve or you have to get used to something, that detracts from those things.

 

For me ease of use is when one can do what they wish once they know the device. Again, as an example conflict recording resolution. On that alone I couldn't live with the CM as it's so lacking. On a daily basis I'm not going to continually dig through the guide/my scheduled recordings looking for repeats that will be recorded over first run shows. Or schedule shows that are repeated on another night (now marked as repeats) but were skipped earlier in the week as I was recording higher priority shows.

 

The best ease of use is having a device do what you want without you doing a thing... and the most important feature of a DVR is managing what I want to watch. With that in mind ease of use is a no brainer to my eyes. :)

post #1569 of 1996
Since the CM-7400 doesn't support anything more than QAM on the cable front, conflict resolution isn't very important for people who rely on the limited offerings on OTA TV. Two tuners are enough to resolve most conflicts across the major broadcast networks.
post #1570 of 1996
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Originally Posted by Aleron Ives View Post

Since the CM-7400 doesn't support anything more than QAM on the cable front, conflict resolution isn't very important for people who rely on the limited offerings on OTA TV. Two tuners are enough to resolve most conflicts across the major broadcast networks.

"Most conflicts" is true. It's those exceptions that cause addicts like me to have multiple DVRs. I label them NBC, CBS, ABC/FOX and use a cable card TiVo for overflow on USA, TNT, etc. and except for the Tivo all recording is manual. It depends on what shows need recording and who needs to do the recording. All recording on the major networks is with clear QAM HD and only the TiVo is name-based. I guess I watch too much TV.
post #1571 of 1996
It's a miracle you have the time to post here, Joe. You're wasting valuable TV time! biggrin.gif

You also echoed my point: a guide won't help you resolve conflicts on OTA TV, because often the only way to resolve them is through having more tuners. There's no guarantee that episodes will be repeated soon after their initial airing or that they'll get shown again at all, so you'll probably have to give up watching something regardless of how your DVR handles its schedule.
post #1572 of 1996
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Originally Posted by Aleron Ives View Post

It's a miracle you have the time to post here, Joe. You're wasting valuable TV time! biggrin.gif
You also echoed my point: a guide won't help you resolve conflicts on OTA TV, because often the only way to resolve them is through having more tuners. There's no guarantee that episodes will be repeated soon after their initial airing or that they'll get shown again at all, so you'll probably have to give up watching something regardless of how your DVR handles its schedule.

I have no life. At prime time I have Pandora playing or a CD. Sometimes a DVR/schedule will fail and I have to find the episode on the internet. I prefer to record a season of a show and only watch and delete shows like SNL, Leno, Letterman, TDS during the morning. My Sony DHGs don't have a "new" episode feature so they need a little more attention. But their 1080i/DD5.1 makes up for that.
post #1573 of 1996
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Originally Posted by Aleron Ives View Post

Since the CM-7400 doesn't support anything more than QAM on the cable front, conflict resolution isn't very important for people who rely on the limited offerings on OTA TV. Two tuners are enough to resolve most conflicts across the major broadcast networks.

 

Actually, I found out (for me ) it's more important (after dropping cable/satellite). You have a lot less choices for starters and among many others the pay networks tend to repeat content so you can always record the later broadcast. Last season Monday night was a bear and shows got skipped... some of them TiVo would pick up as a repeat when they were repeated over the weekend.

 

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You also echoed my point: a guide won't help you resolve conflicts on OTA TV, because often the only way to resolve them is through having more tuners. 

 

It's not the guide rather the resolution logic the device uses. One example (sorry, I keep repeating) is a show on Monday night that's new and gets skipped because of higher priority recordings. Well luckily the network repeats the show Saturday night (as a repeat) and even though the device is set to only record new episodes it's smart enough to realize even though it's a repeat it's new for me (since it was skipped) and records it. This allowed me to catch a bunch of the season... sure resolution won't solve the world's problem but some additional shows are better than none... it also helps in not getting a headache trying to figure what to and not record. :)


Edited by Charles R - 6/23/12 at 6:57pm
post #1574 of 1996
Is anyone else having clock issues since the firmware upgrade? I noticed a couple of days ago, a recording started way early and stopped early. Then tonight my clock was 6 minutes fast. I rebooted and it came up still 6 minutes fast. So I took it off of automatic and set it manually and then over the course of the next 15 minutes, it fell behind so I set it again and then it jumped ahead by 3 minutes too fast and then right before my eyes, it jumped backward by 3 minutes to the correct time without me doing anything and it was still set on manual time when it did it. I am really wanting the old firmware back at this point. 2 lost channel sets and now this clock weirdness. It was better with the skip-button issues.
post #1575 of 1996
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

PCT International owns the CM name;
http://pctcorporate.com/about-pct.html
CM was out of North Carolina.
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Tr-50 has been design in European E* office.
By whom and who else manufactured it?

I believe Echostar was the manufacturer of the Pal (TR-50) unit. I believe they are located in Colorado and will even acknowledge your email if you want more information.biggrin.gif
post #1576 of 1996
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Originally Posted by tmn1 View Post

I believe Echostar was the manufacturer of the Pal (TR-50) unit. I believe they are located in Colorado and will even acknowledge your email if you want more information.biggrin.gif
You don't need to be a professional investigator to find out who... smile.gif
If you can't open a case of it, then just look at pictures what posted here and there - it's clearly stated the company name and where is designed. CM7000-PAL 'guts' keep all PCBs and same silk-prints as original TR-50 aka DTV Pal DVR.
post #1577 of 1996
Designed and manufactured are two different things. So is a satellite company selling a OTA DVR. Just because their name is on it, doesn't mean they manufactured it.
Dell sells printers, but they surely don't manufacture them.
post #1578 of 1996
So what the point ?
post #1579 of 1996
The London branch of Echostar programmed the TR-50. I remember the London team being consulted for answers to a couple programming questions on the DTVPal DVR thread. Dish spun off from Echostar in January 2008. Echostar was supposed to distribute the TR40 and TR50 through Sling Media sales channels. I ordered my TR40 from an authorized Sling distributor, got pre-shipping confirmation, and suddenly Echostar distributors were empty handed, all orders cancelled. Both products were initially labeled Echostar, but by the time they shipped as Dish products, it was hard to find the Echostar association. My TR40 said "Echostar" on the cardboard packaging, and the original DTVPal DVR had an Echostar smart card.. By the time I bought my CM7000 Pal, there was no smart card.
post #1580 of 1996
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Originally Posted by pcnetwrx View Post

Is anyone else having clock issues since the firmware upgrade? I noticed a couple of days ago, a recording started way early and stopped early. Then tonight my clock was 6 minutes fast. I rebooted and it came up still 6 minutes fast. So I took it off of automatic and set it manually and then over the course of the next 15 minutes, it fell behind so I set it again and then it jumped ahead by 3 minutes too fast and then right before my eyes, it jumped backward by 3 minutes to the correct time without me doing anything and it was still set on manual time when it did it. I am really wanting the old firmware back at this point. 2 lost channel sets and now this clock weirdness. It was better with the skip-button issues.

Does anyone have a copy of the old 1.0.81.1 firmware that you might have on USB instead of downloading directly from the internet? Channelmaster seems less than responsive to my issues, which is disappointing. I think I am going to have to derate the unit on Amazon on my review which has been the top-rated review for some time now. Right now it's almost unusable for me due to the clock jumping around. It not only misses the correct start and stop times, but every time it jumps around (several times an hour) the unit becomes unresponsive for several seconds. I can't live with the way it is now.
post #1581 of 1996
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Originally Posted by pcnetwrx View Post

Does anyone have a copy of the old 1.0.81.1 firmware that you might have on USB instead of downloading directly from the internet? Channelmaster seems less than responsive to my issues, which is disappointing. I think I am going to have to derate the unit on Amazon on my review which has been the top-rated review for some time now. Right now it's almost unusable for me due to the clock jumping around. It not only misses the correct start and stop times, but every time it jumps around (several times an hour) the unit becomes unresponsive for several seconds. I can't live with the way it is now.
I have a copy on my computer. PM me if you want me to send it to you.
post #1582 of 1996
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

I have a copy on my computer. PM me if you want me to send it to you.

A HUGE thanks to JoeKustra for spending quite a bit of time getting me the older 1.0.81.1 firmware. It ended up fixing all of my new problems and I am sure gave me all of my older problems back, which I prefer to the new ones. Because of being able to prove that the new firmware did indeed introduce reception issues to those of us in fringe areas doing OTA reception, I am going to make available the old version of firmware to anyone who wants it with the caveat that I will take no responsibility if you brick your system by doing something wrong. I have made sure that my posted version matches exactly the version that I installed myself on my system, but beyond that I cannot ensure that you might not do something to the file as you download and save it. All that being said, the link to the older software (if the moderators allow it) is at:

www.msm-msm.com/channelmaster/1.0.81.1/firmware.bin

Just download the file and copy it to a USB device in a folder called upgrade. Then go into the menu on the 7400 and get to where you can choose to upgrade from USB and plug in your USB device to the front port when prompted.
post #1583 of 1996
CM did confirm that the new firmware changed the tuner sensitivity which caused my problems. This is what they sent me:
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The new 97 upgrade did lower the tuner sensitivity a little. It was a small adjustment we had to make in order to fix other major bugs.

At least it explains what I was seeing and confirms that there is a firmware setting for the tuner sensitivity.
post #1584 of 1996
Interesting.
Sensitivity, error correction and/or preamp (if it has one) gain?
post #1585 of 1996
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Originally Posted by pcnetwrx View Post

CM did confirm that the new firmware changed the tuner sensitivity which caused my problems. This is what they sent me:
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The new 97 upgrade did lower the tuner sensitivity a little. It was a small adjustment we had to make in order to fix other major bugs.
At least it explains what I was seeing and confirms that there is a firmware setting for the tuner sensitivity.
They need to make further firmware adjustments regarding tuner sensitivity on this unit, as OTA antenna reception is problematic in comparison to other tuners. I don't know if it is due to error correction or amplification issues or what, but signals my Panasonic will decode ranging from 60 - 80%, the 7400 will not tune at all. Although the CM will show strength bars indicating the signal is there, it will not display any audio or video. I have tried both low gain and high gain amps, and no amps at all, and no luck. They need to figure out the problem and correct this issue. The tuner on both the 7000 converter box and the 7000Pal DVR is much better.
post #1586 of 1996
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Originally Posted by pcnetwrx View Post

CM did confirm that the new firmware changed the tuner sensitivity... This is what they sent me:
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The new 97 upgrade did lower the tuner sensitivity a little. It was a small adjustment we had to make in order to fix other major bugs.
I imagine this explains why several of my favorite QAM CableTV channels including NatGeo are now nearly always unwatchable. frown.gif
post #1587 of 1996
You can always roll back to the earlier firmware if it served your purposes better than the new one does. There's a link to it just a few posts above yours. wink.gif
post #1588 of 1996
Those of you also having tuner sensitivity problems with the new firmware, please feed that back with as much detail as possible (i.e. list of lost channels, pixellation issues, etc) to CM at:

techsupport@channelmaster.com

If enough of us complain about it, then they may do something about it. But if it is just me complaining, I doubt much will happen.
post #1589 of 1996
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Originally Posted by Aleron Ives View Post

You can always roll back to the earlier firmware if it served your purposes better than the new one does...
I still get the channels on another box, just not in HD. I'd rather adjust to occasional HD outages than deal with the skip-to-the-end problem, and a couple other issues which appear to be fixed.

Props to Joe though for offering.
post #1590 of 1996
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Originally Posted by pcnetwrx View Post

A HUGE thanks to JoeKustra for spending quite a bit of time getting me the older 1.0.81.1 firmware. It ended up fixing all of my new problems and I am sure gave me all of my older problems back, which I prefer to the new ones...

You are fortunate that the CM-7400 allows you to rollback to an earlier version of the firmware. I had some major problems with my DTVPal DVR that came from the factory installed with firmware version F206. Even though I had a copy of the F202 firmware I could not roll it back because the DVR would not allow it.

I noticed on the Channel Master CM-7400 update website that they make reference to the older versions of the firmware (1.0.74.3 and 1.0.81.1) but you cannot download them any longer. Prior to the release of the latest 1.0.97 firmware you could download both of the earlier updates from the Channel Master site. I guess they don't want to make it easy for end users to rollback their firmware even though the CM-7400 allows it. They must assume that "the latest firmware is the best" so why would anyone want to rollback to an earlier version? eek.gif
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