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post #1951 of 1996
I think my hard drive is going bad. Is there a size limit on the hard drive I should get to replace it?
post #1952 of 1996
Unless you go external, the size limit is 2.5 inches wink.gif

Not sure if it's the absolute upper limit, but drives with up to 2 TB capacity have been used successfully in the CM-7400.
post #1953 of 1996
Now they tell me the new model replacing the 7400 is due by the end of the year. They say new and improved, but still no info regarding the manufacturer or specifications. Or a model number.
post #1954 of 1996
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Originally Posted by JHBrandt View Post

Unless you go external, the size limit is 2.5 inches wink.gif

Not sure if it's the absolute upper limit, but drives with up to 2 TB capacity have been used successfully in the CM-7400.


I went external for this since it was the easiest to install, plus it will keep the hard drive cool and less likely to go bad. I was thinking of going the Tivo route, but I don't want yet another tool for the nsa or others to spy on my habits.
post #1955 of 1996
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Originally Posted by ay221 View Post

I went external for this since it was the easiest to install, plus it will keep the hard drive cool and less likely to go bad. I was thinking of going the Tivo route, but I don't want yet another tool for the nsa or others to spy on my habits.

Is there anything specific that makes you think Channelmaster misses the opportunity to send back & sell viewing habit data ?
post #1956 of 1996
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Originally Posted by BobbyA View Post

Is there anything specific that makes you think Channelmaster misses the opportunity to send back & sell viewing habit data ?
And they're going to do this with an OTA device how?
post #1957 of 1996
There's no possible way to collect viewing habit data unless you hook it up to the Internet, and that's not required unless you buy the optional paid guide.
post #1958 of 1996
I just added a cabal signal amplifier. Have agreat picture now for over a week

I have a question for the group: does channel master start by itself when scheduled programs come on, while the unit is shut off?. Like the old VCR?
post #1959 of 1996
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Originally Posted by kesov View Post

I just added a cabal signal amplifier. Have agreat picture now for over a week

I have a question for the group: does channel master start by itself when scheduled programs come on, while the unit is shut off?. Like the old VCR?

Scheduled programs will start if the unit is off or on.
post #1960 of 1996
So I understand that Channelmaster has discontinued the premium guide service for the CM-7400, so that when my guide expires in February I will automatically revert back to PSIP data. That may make this unit pretty much unusable for me based on my previous experience with PSIP unless it has greatly improved over the past couple of years. Does anyone have any tips or advice on using PSIP instead of the premium guide that has served me so well?
post #1961 of 1996
we had extensive discussion about PSIP and ways of its improvement in DTVpalDVR thread - see posts after ROVI ceased own EPG from airways
post #1962 of 1996
Sounds like CM is trying to get CM-7400 users to upgrade to their new "DVR+". From what I've read the new DVR does sound like an improvement (and its new guide is free) but I certainly understand being less than thrilled about spending ~$300 for their new DVR (or $500 for an XBox One) just to keep a good guide. (OTOH, if you've been wanting a new DVR or an XBox One anyway, but just needed an excuse, CM just gave you one smile.gif )

Anyway, I think the big issue with PSIP on the CM-7400 is that it doesn't automatically scan channels to keep the guide data current. So you'll have to do that yourself. Flip through all the channels you record so it can pick up the latest guide data. Try to do that at least twice a day, since some stations only broadcast 12 hours of guide via PSIP.

If you have a smart remote or something with an IR blaster, you might be able to program a macro that will switch to each channel, pause a second or so to allow time for guide data to be received, then switch to the next channel; so you can do all the work with the press of a button.

Also, if you want to record a show with a "generic" name like "TBA" or "No Info Available," set it to record by time (i.e., VCR-style), because the correct name will probably get transmitted before the show records and the CM-7400 won't recognize that it's the show you wanted to record.
post #1963 of 1996
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Originally Posted by pcnetwrx View Post

Does anyone have any tips or advice on using PSIP instead of the premium guide that has served me so well?

Get used to setting timers again VCR style, or prepare your wallet to shell out a bunch of cash to buy a different DVR with active guide service.
post #1964 of 1996
Thanks for taking the time to post the tips on PSIP. It does not sound like a good situation to me and I am doubtful that I will be able to live with it. I am equally doubtful that I would buy ChannelMaster's new DVR+ since they abandoned the CM-7400 after such a short time. Two years is too short of a time to recover my investment in this kind of equipment when the whole point of buying it in the first place is to cut the cord and save money. I may just end up going with a media computer instead with a Homerun tuner or something like that. Or just going with TIVO, but their cost does not really appeal to me. There just does not seem to be an abundant amount of choices out there for OTA DVR's.
post #1965 of 1996
Mine doesn't do that.. Only after I have reset the unit for acdayvof two.
post #1966 of 1996
I must admit it's a valid concern. If CM cut off the CM-7400's guide service so soon, what's to say they won't cut off the DVR+'s guide when they come out with... what - the DVR# (DVR-sharp rolleyes.gif) in 2016? (At least the DVR+ guide is free, so you'd recoup your initial investment much faster relative to, say, a TiVo.)

If you have the time to devote to it, a media PC is certainly attractive. You can do a lot more with one than with any DVR on the market. Nor could I fault anyone for going with TiVo. The guide is expensive but at least it's not going away anytime soon, and TiVos do have a lot of nice features. Finally, if you're willing to spend a bundle on a game machine, the XBox One will also provide Microsoft's "OneGuide" to pretty much any HDMI tuner, including DVRs like the CM-7400.

But if those choices aren't your thing and you decide not to keep the CM-7400 after its paid guide is gone, picking up a used DTVPal/CM-7000Pal on eBay might be worth considering. Unlike the CM-7400, the Pal scans channels in the background to keep its guide up-to-date. And while it doesn't offer name-based recording like the CM-7400 or the DVR+, that can actually work to your advantage with PSIP, since you can schedule a "generic" program from the guide and be confident it'll record the date, time, and channel you expect.
post #1967 of 1996
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Originally Posted by pcnetwrx View Post

So I understand that Channelmaster has discontinued the premium guide service for the CM-7400, so that when my guide expires in February I will automatically revert back to PSIP data.
If true that would be horrible and give one serious pause about buying from CM again. It's only been 2 yr since the CM-7400 started shipping. It's a $400 box that is only fully functional when the full guide is operational. To kill the guide service less than a year after the product was discontinued sticks people with an expensive box that is not much better than a digital VCR.
post #1968 of 1996
Although I doubt that they will post it, I wrote a review on the ChannelMaster website warning people about the fact that they do not support their products for any meaningful length of time, and that people considering buying the DVR+ should really think about that fact. I also contacted support asking that they reconsider their decision to discontinue the guide for the sake of their product support reputation. When Amazon starts selling it, I plan to post a similar warning there as well. This guide situation really has me quite ticked off.
post #1969 of 1996
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Originally Posted by JHBrandt View Post

Finally, if you're willing to spend a bundle on a game machine, the XBox One will also provide Microsoft's "OneGuide" to pretty much any HDMI tuner, including DVRs like the CM-7400.

How does one get the CM-7400 to use any guide other than their premium guide or PSIP? And I understand OneGuide has an annual fee as well? I am not understanding how OneGuide would be useful in scheduling recordings on the CM-7400.
post #1970 of 1996
CM doesn't control the guide for the 7500; Rovi/Macrovision does. I'm surprised that people are so eager to embrace it after how angry they were when Rovi/Macrovision discontinued TVGoS.
post #1971 of 1996
I did a little number crunching last night. I spent $400 on the CM-7400, $100 on two years of guide service, and another $100 or so for a larger external drive replacement (which may be able to be used elsewhere so not a total expense loss) and then maybe $25 for extra cooling for the unit which was not needed once I took the larger drive outside of the unit. So let's just use $600 total for the two years of use I got from the CM-7400. That breaks down to $25 per month making TIVO look like a real bargain in comparison. I keep going back and forth between choosing TIVO for a replacement or a Windows 7 home premium refurb media center computer. But I still have two months to decide before CM turns my unit into a doorstop.
post #1972 of 1996
Microsoft is clearly phasing out WMC. It probably won't be a part of, or available for, Win-9. How long do you think they will continue to supply the guide info for WMC.
post #1973 of 1996
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

Microsoft is clearly phasing out WMC. It probably won't be a part of, or available for, Win-9. How long do you think they will continue to supply the guide info for WMC.

Yeah, that had occurred to me, so going with TIVO might be the only choice that makes sense for a long-term solution that will have the guide that I am wanting.
post #1974 of 1996
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Originally Posted by pcnetwrx View Post

Yeah, that had occurred to me, so going with TIVO might be the only choice that makes sense for a long-term solution that will have the guide that I am wanting.
If you are cable or FIOS I would say yes. That's because WMC is the only current DVR software that will work with a cable card tuner and handle copy-restricted source. If you are OTA, then there are a number of full-featured PC DVR programs other than WMC so you are never out in the cold if WMC goes down. Many of them use Schedules Direct which is a 3rd party 7-day guide service for $25/yr. Before I got my 4-tuner Roamio, I used a media-PC running NextPVR with a Schedules Direct guide as overflow recording for my 2-tuner TiVo HD. It worked just fine.

I prefer the no-hassle operation of a TiVo vs. a PC-DVR, but if TiVo ever went down I would move to a PC-DVR rather than a lesser option.
post #1975 of 1996
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Originally Posted by pcnetwrx View Post

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Originally Posted by JHBrandt View Post

Finally, if you're willing to spend a bundle on a game machine, the XBox One will also provide Microsoft's "OneGuide" to pretty much any HDMI tuner, including DVRs like the CM-7400.

How does one get the CM-7400 to use any guide other than their premium guide or PSIP? And I understand OneGuide has an annual fee as well? I am not understanding how OneGuide would be useful in scheduling recordings on the CM-7400.

Disclaimer: I don't have an XBox One. I'm only reporting what I've read about the OneGuide. I don't know if there's an annual fee. I do know that the WMC guides are free, and I assume OneGuide comes from the same source (Tribune Media); but that doesn't mean it's free too. Hopefully another poster has the OneGuide and can clarify its costs and capabilities.

I certainly would not purchase an XBox One just for the OneGuide. You could get a TiVo with lifetime subscription for about the same price. I was only suggesting that, if you're inclined to purchase an expensive game machine anyhow, the OneGuide would be a nice bonus feature to consider.

Anyhow, the way it works is through a combination of HDMI pass-through (you connect your CM-7400's HDMI output to the XBox, then connect the XBox's HDMI output to your TV; that way the XBox can window or overlay your CM-7400's HDMI output with its own displays, such as the OneGuide) and an IR blaster (so if you make a selection from the OneGuide, it can tell your CM-7400 what you want to do). The OneGuide is downloaded from the Internet based on info you provide about your location and TV service (OTA, cable, satellite, FiOS, whatever). There's no RF connection to the XBox, so it doesn't use PSIP.

You're right that the OneGuide will never be as well-integrated as the CM-7400's own guide. To do name-based programming like the CM-7400's own guide, it would have to command the CM-7400 to start recording in real time. That would interrupt your TV viewing with a bunch of CM-7400 displays anytime a scheduled program was about to start, so I think the OneGuide instead just tells your CM-7400 to record a show by date, time, and channel (VCR-style). I'm not certain it'll do even that much, although it seems reasonable.
post #1976 of 1996
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

If you are cable or FIOS I would say yes. That's because WMC is the only current DVR software that will work with a cable card tuner and handle copy-restricted source. If you are OTA, then there are a number of full-featured PC DVR programs other than WMC so you are never out in the cold if WMC goes down. Many of them use Schedules Direct which is a 3rd party 7-day guide service for $25/yr. Before I got my 4-tuner Roamio, I used a media-PC running NextPVR with a Schedules Direct guide as overflow recording for my 2-tuner TiVo HD. It worked just fine.

I prefer the no-hassle operation of a TiVo vs. a PC-DVR, but if TiVo ever went down I would move to a PC-DVR rather than a lesser option.

Thanks! That was extremely helpful! I am just OTA. What tuner card were you using in your PC?
post #1977 of 1996
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Originally Posted by JHBrandt View Post

Disclaimer: I don't have an XBox One. I'm only reporting what I've read about the OneGuide.

Thanks for the added info. Now it makes sense to me, but I most likely will not go in that direction.
post #1978 of 1996
And I imagine most others won't either. I almost didn't even mention it, but felt I should just for completeness redface.gif

Like I said, at XBox One's price, it's only a factor if you're already considering a new game console anyway. It might sway someone in favor of the XBox One over a Playstation or Wii, if they have a tuner or DVR that the OneGuide would help, but that's about it.
post #1979 of 1996
A bit of good (not great) news for those looking to replace their CM-7400 in order to retain an extended guide. There's a new option besides TiVo and CM's DVR+. The PHD-VRX2 now supports a Schedules Direct guide subscription. Edit: Disregard. ePVision had to pull the firmware due to restrictions in Schedules Direct's TOS.

For $25/year, Schedules Direct provides a 7-day guide from Tribune Media (aka Zap2It.com).

(Disclaimer: I do not own this product. I'm only summarizing what's already been reported on the PHD-VRX thread.)

One nice thing is, a Schedules Direct subscription is also used by much PC-based DVR software, so the support base is much larger than the tiny PHD-VRX2 user community. That should provide a bit more stability to its future availability than CM gave to the 7400 guide. But there are no guarantees, of course.

The PHD-VRX2 DVR itself is a bit of a mixed bag. It's been plagued with firmware bugs, although the latest firmware is reported to be more stable. Also, the guide display is not grid-style as with the CM-7400 or DVR+. It's a window style that shows the channel list in the upper left window and the guide for the selected channel in the upper right window. But, it runs around $200, which is of course $50 less than the DVR+. You get what you pay for, I guess. (You must supply your own external USB HDD with either DVR. If you're giving up on your CM-7400 completely, I suppose you could save a few bucks by removing its HDD and mounting it in an external USB enclosure.)
Edited by JHBrandt - 2/5/14 at 11:57am
post #1980 of 1996
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Originally Posted by pcnetwrx View Post

Thanks! That was extremely helpful! I am just OTA. What tuner card were you using in your PC?
Silicon Dust HDHR-3 Network tuners.
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