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post #91 of 175
I'm very surprised at all the people reporting problems with the 3800. I bought it when it first came out and have hardly experienced any problems. I did have to turn it off overnight one after a heavy weekend of downloading files, but other than that no problems. I'm not even sure if the speed decrease was b/c of the router or because my ISP throttled me (although Charter claims not to throttle.)
post #92 of 175
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Originally Posted by mjf_uk View Post

Bob, is there any update on an official 3800 for the UK? I'm seriously struggling with a crappy-pappy BT Home Hub since updating to faster BB.

BroadbandBuyer is reporting that WNDR3800 won't be available in the UK. Can't post link as I haven't made 3 posts yet. Just google "broadbandbuyer wndr3800 uk release date" and have a look near the bottom of the page:

"Netgear have announced that the WNDR3800 Router will not be coming to the UK and will remain as a US ONLY product for the foreseeable future. "
post #93 of 175
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BroadbandBuyer is reporting that WNDR3800 won't be available in the UK. Can't post link as I haven't made 3 posts yet. Just google "broadbandbuyer wndr3800 uk release date" and have a look near the bottom of the page:

"Netgear have announced that the WNDR3800 Router will not be coming to the UK and will remain as a US ONLY product for the foreseeable future. "


I believe the above is true. The focus for Netgear is the 4500 for worldwide delivery. It is a more mainsteam product due to the 3 band radio technology. The 3800 will remain a premium feature specialty router I am sorry to say.

Bob Silver
post #94 of 175
Has the 3800 been discontinued in Europe then?
post #95 of 175
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Originally Posted by mjf_uk View Post

Has the 3800 been discontinued in Europe then?


Not at all. There just will not be a universal Euro model that includes power adapters for the UK.
post #96 of 175
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Originally Posted by bobsilver View Post

Not at all. There just will not be a universal Euro model that includes power adapters for the UK.

Thanks. I just wondered, because of the 'US only' comment above.
post #97 of 175
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Was just reading my copy of Maximum PC and found this review on the WNDR4500. To quote them "Finally a Router to Get Excited About". They claim the 4500 is the fastest router they have ever tested. Very impressed. This BTW was for standard wireless performance. Not the new 3 radio performance which will be even better.

Here is the link.

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/rev..._router_review

Bob Silver
post #98 of 175
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Originally Posted by MySassyGirl View Post

so, is the Atheros CPU chip better than Broadcom?

I'd like to know this too. I did some Googling around and I couldn't find a definitive answer. Some people say Atheros chip is better and some say Broadcom is better.

I'm trying to decide between these 2 routers right now. I don't need an N900 router (WNDR4500) right now but maybe I will in the future. The only reason I'm considering the 4500 is because it has 2 USB ports. The price difference between the 2 models is about $50 ($130 for the 3800 vs $180 for the 4500) so I'm leaning towards the 3800 because I really didn't intend on spending almost $200 for a router.

There were a couple of simultaneous dual band routers on sale from black friday to cyber monday, $60 for the Netgear WNDR3400 and $70 for the Linksys Cisco E3000 but I passed on them so that I could get one of these.
post #99 of 175
Anyone apply the latest firmware for the 4500?

WNDR4500 Firmware Version 1.0.0.70

support.netgear.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/19740/
post #100 of 175
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Originally Posted by dpcrow View Post

Anyone apply the latest firmware for the 4500?

WNDR4500 Firmware Version 1.0.0.70

support.netgear.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/19740/

Been using it for 2 weeks. Works fine for me.
post #101 of 175
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I'd like to know this too. I did some Googling around and I couldn't find a definitive answer. Some people say Atheros chip is better and some say Broadcom is better.

I'm trying to decide between these 2 routers right now. I don't need an N900 router (WNDR4500) right now but maybe I will in the future. The only reason I'm considering the 4500 is because it has 2 USB ports. The price difference between the 2 models is about $50 ($130 for the 3800 vs $180 for the 4500) so I'm leaning towards the 3800 because I really didn't intend on spending almost $200 for a router.

There were a couple of simultaneous dual band routers on sale from black friday to cyber monday, $60 for the Netgear WNDR3400 and $70 for the Linksys Cisco E3000 but I passed on them so that I could get one of these.


I have both the 3800 and 4500. Given what you have asked and are looking for both routers will perform similarly. I wouldnt sweat the chip specs. There is a lot more to it then that. I would buy the 3800 with out hesitation.

Bob Silver
post #102 of 175
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Originally Posted by bobsilver View Post

I have both the 3800 and 4500. Given what you have asked and are looking for both routers will perform similarly. I wouldnt sweat the chip specs. There is a lot more to it then that. I would buy the 3800 with out hesitation.

Bob Silver

Thanks Bob. I was leaning towards the 3800 because it got an excellent rating from CNET.

http://reviews.cnet.com/routers/netg...?tag=mncol;txt
post #103 of 175
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Originally Posted by Sam K View Post

Thanks Bob. I was leaning towards the 3800 because it got an excellent rating from CNET.

http://reviews.cnet.com/routers/netg...?tag=mncol;txt

Great. Glad I could help. And thanks for the CNet review link. I hadnt seen that review yet. Very nice indeed!

Bob
post #104 of 175
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Originally Posted by bobsilver View Post

Great. Glad I could help. And thanks for the CNet review link. I hadnt seen that review yet. Very nice indeed!

Bob

Bob,

CNET said the WNDR3800 is better than the WNDR4500. They gave it a higher rating than the WNDR4500.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-...lly-top-notch/
post #105 of 175
The CNet reviewer might have some strange testing parameters. He reports the 4500 as having less range than the 3800 in both 2.4 and 5 GHz bands and less throughput in the 2.4 GHz band.

(FYI - The first 4500 I had had poor 2.4 GHz and superb 5 GHz performance. The second 4500 I had was the opposite in performance. My current [third] 4500 works a treat.)

I have not seen this disparity of results for single channel, non-bonded 2.4 GHz band performance that CNet states with my current 4500. While certain mid range locations I test the routers in have both the 3800 and 4500 performing similarly, with the 3800 occasionally edging out the 4500, the 4500 has significantly better throughputs, up to ~30 % more, in long range and one mid range location I've tested it in.

To make matters more interesting, using the single channel non-bonded 2.4 GHz band, the link rates at my more remote location may be less with the 4500 BUT it has consistently higher throughputs than the 3800.

Link rates for bonded channel 5 GHz band are always higher for the 4500, and so are the throughputs. A problem, though, is that sometimes 5 GHz connection fails while testing for either router at distances, so it is difficult to say which one is the more reliable overall. Nevertheless, the 4500 typically has significantly greater throughput over all locations I test in, including remote locations.

Looks like CNet does limited location testing and/or has competing signals and/or obstacles which resulted in the confusing data.

Furthermore, CNet testing the 2.4 GHz band with a Mode of 450 Mbps produced even worse results than a Mode of 217 Mbps, telling me their location suffers from other 2.4 GHz neighborhood signals or they had a lemon.

Too many unexplained variable, such as how they test and what obstacles to signal they have.

I'm not buying the results of their tests as adequate measures of the 4500's abilities. The 3800 is a great router, but so is the 4500, though you wouldn't know it from CNet's review. I don't doubt these were the results of CNet's testing, but I do doubt their results are typical for others. This is why one cannot know for sure how a router's wireless signal will perform in their location until they try it out for themselves.
post #106 of 175
I've finally taken the plunge and ordered a 3800. Pixmania currently have an excellent price on it, so I couldn't resist any longer.
post #107 of 175
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Originally Posted by mjf_uk View Post

I've finally taken the plunge and ordered a 3800. Pixmania currently have an excellent price on it, so I couldn't resist any longer.


Glad to hear it. Let us know your results.

Bob Silver
post #108 of 175
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Originally Posted by bobsilver View Post

Glad to hear it. Let us know your results.

Bob Silver

Will do Bob. I have High hopes for this baby, so hopefully I will not be let down.

I'm due to receive it on Tuesday, so will post my thoughts as and when they arise.
post #109 of 175
Not such good results so far. I have a GS116E and for some reason the 3800 is limiting the connection to 100Mbps. There also seems to be some serious slow down on internet browsing, which I don't understand. So not very happy at the moment.
post #110 of 175
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Originally Posted by mjf_uk View Post

Not such good results so far. I have a GS116E and for some reason the 3800 is limiting the connection to 100Mbps. There also seems to be some serious slow down on internet browsing, which I don't understand. So not very happy at the moment.

When you say limiting the connection to a 100mbs do you mean the wired connection to the switch? I also have a gs116e and it connects at the 1gb speed.

bob
post #111 of 175
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Originally Posted by bobsilver View Post

When you say limiting the connection to a 100mbs do you mean the wired connection to the switch? I also have a gs116e and it connects at the 1gb speed.

bob

I have a 7m Cat6 cable running from the 3800 to the GS116E. It will sometimes connect at 1gb for a few minutes, but will then drop the connection and re-connect at 100Mbps. The strange thing is that a GS108v2 seems to have a stable connection at 1gb, using a 35m cable of the same quality. The annoying thing right now is that I got rid of a GS108 and 2xGS105v2's for the GS116E!!
post #112 of 175
I think I've sorted out the 1Gbps/100Mbps issue. It might have been to do with the subnet - as the router is 192.168.1.x but default and the switch is 192.168.0.x by default. Although I would have expected it to not work at all rather than limit the connection speed. I'm currently connected at 1Gbps, so fingers crossed.

I still don't understand why certain websites are suddenly so much slower though. It makes no sense at all.

Edit: Spoke too soon, connection dropped and now back to 100Mbps.
post #113 of 175
I've updated the firmware on the GS116E, but still only getting a 100Mbps connection between that and the 3800 with a 7m Cat6 cable. I also only get a 100Mbps connection between my PC and the GS116E with a 20m Cat6 cable. Both of these cables were working fine at 1Gbps, with a DGN3500, earlier in the year.

My PC is connecting fine at 1Gbps, using a 25m Cat6 cable, direct to the 3800. Bypassing the GS116E also solves the slow down issues on certain websites.

So I'm guessing I either have to change a setting on the GS116E, or it may possibly be faulty.
post #114 of 175
Hi everyone,

I have read all the comparisons of the WNDR3800 and WNDR4500 and based on feedback have purchased a WNDR3800. I'm running the 1.0.0.24 firmware without any issues. For me printer sharing was a must have.

The WNDR3800 is replacing my first generation Apple Airport Extreme Router. The problem I have is that my plan was to have a separate video network configured in video mode on the 5.0Ghz range for streaming videos to my Xbox 360. However, my 5.0Ghz wireless adapter in the basement cannot pick up the 5.0Ghz network. Not only that but my laptop in the living room only occasionally can pick up the 5.0Ghz network. The 2.4Ghz network is working fine in both locations.

I'm debating on swapping the WNDR3800 for a WNDR4500 based on the fact that the WNDR4500 has a greater range. I'm not sure what to do, I'm happy with all the features and performance of my WNDR3800 but it's useless on the 5.0Ghz network, which was one of my primary reasons for getting it.

Any feedback would be much appreciated.
post #115 of 175
Having bought a WNDR3800, I must say I am very happy with it.

However, despite having the latest firmware (V1.0.0.25-Beta), I think I found a critical bug with port forwarding. If you are attempting to mask a port (e.g. the external port forwards to a different internal port), port forwarding does not work at all. Try it and see!

Others have also noticed this: forum1.netgear.com/showthread.php?t=71233
post #116 of 175
I ordered the 4500 yesterday from Amazon and it should be there by the time I get home today, so I will post issues/tests/etc.

But, I'm curious, why has nobody mentioned the *blue* colored usb ports - supposedly used for usb 3.0 - I can not find a single piece of info on the actual capabilities of the usb ports. I need to buy a 2 or 3 Tb external usb hdd and I need to know if usb 3.0 will be a waste of money or not.

Anybody on here know for sure? I kept searching and searching but can't find a spec level on the usb ports.

Thanks in advance.
post #117 of 175
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Originally Posted by Muckrak3r View Post

I ordered the 4500 yesterday from Amazon and it should be there by the time I get home today, so I will post issues/tests/etc.

But, I'm curious, why has nobody mentioned the *blue* colored usb ports - supposedly used for usb 3.0 - I can not find a single piece of info on the actual capabilities of the usb ports. I need to buy a 2 or 3 Tb external usb hdd and I need to know if usb 3.0 will be a waste of money or not.

Anybody on here know for sure? I kept searching and searching but can't find a spec level on the usb ports.

Thanks in advance.

They are supposed to be fast, almost as fast as SATA 3, but I don't have any USB 3.0 devices to test.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_3.0
post #118 of 175
There are discussions of this odd circumstance.

The USB ports on the 4500 are confusingly blue colored as if they are 3.0. The ports are in fact 2.0 with a slight speed improvement with a reported up to 10-15% improvement.
post #119 of 175
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Originally Posted by StratmanX View Post

There are discussions of this odd circumstance.

The USB ports on the 4500 are confusingly blue colored as if they are 3.0. The ports are in fact 2.0 with a slight speed improvement with a reported up to 10-15% improvement.

I'm sorry, I thought the question was related to USB 3.0, I have no knowledge if the 4500 truly has USB 3.0 ports. My bad.
post #120 of 175
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Originally Posted by StratmanX View Post

There are discussions of this odd circumstance.

The USB ports on the 4500 are confusingly blue colored as if they are 3.0. The ports are in fact 2.0 with a slight speed improvement with a reported up to 10-15% improvement.

Thanks - the blue coloring is certainly misleading. Looks like I will save a bit of money and shoot for a USB 2.0 drive.
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