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Energy Take Classic 5.1 - Replacement Subwoofer?

post #1 of 27
Thread Starter 
Originally posted in speaker forum, but realized that this may be more appropriate. Sorry if the cross posting is a problem.

A friend of mine lost the subwoofer and rear speakers from his Energy Take Classic 5.1 speakers during a move. I always loved the speakers and he's offered to sell me the two fronts and mid for $50 to use as a 2.1 system.

Of course I'd need to replace the sub. Is there a decent, inexpensive smallish subwoofer out there that would match up well with these speakers and would be cheap enough to make this a good deal? Obviously a $300 sub puts me within $50 of a new set of these speakers that includes the rears as well.

Any ideas? Is this a good deal without the sub?

Also eventually I'd like to make it a 5.1 system again. Is there a source to buy these speakers individually?

Thanks!
post #2 of 27
The Energy 10.3 subwoofer is on a really good sale price at Newegg right now at $249. It's a significantly better sub than the one that comes in the Take Five package, one that would be worthy of using to build out a surround system. A year or so down the road, you could eventually upgrade to better bookshelf speakers and matching center in the Energy line (e.g. CB-10 or CB-20 and CC-10), and then use the two Take Five L/R as satellites for a 5.1 setup. IMHO, that upgrade path would make the deal worthwhile to me for the $50 for the Take Five and the $250 for Energy S10.3.
post #3 of 27
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

The Energy 10.3 subwoofer is on a really good sale price at Newegg right now at $249. It's a significantly better sub than the one that comes in the Take Five package, one that would be worthy of using to build out a surround system. A year or so down the road, you could eventually upgrade to better bookshelf speakers and matching center in the Energy line (e.g. CB-10 or CB-20 and CC-10), and then use the two Take Five L/R as satellites for a 5.1 setup. IMHO, that upgrade path would make the deal worthwhile to me for the $50 for the Take Five and the $250 for Energy S10.3.

+1

I've heard the Mirage Omni 10 (sister sub) and thought it sounded very good, overpriced at full retail but a steal for $250.
post #4 of 27
I bought 2 Pioneer SW8 subs for the price of 1 $150.00 to compliment my fronts and rears on ebay. Also Pioneer - 2 pairs of towers and a center channel.

The idea was to hold me over until I ordered a VTF15H later this year.

The Pioneers were designed by Andrew Jones. Very musical and pretty good extension.

I am coming from dual HSU cylinder subs, very familiar with what 16Hz sounds like.

While these 8" subs are no match, I enjoy them very much. I'd say these are another option for you. Shipped for around $85?

Good luck with what ever you decide.
post #5 of 27
Thread Starter 
Great feedback thanks! I like the idea as using this as a starting point to build a better system. I am a bit tight on space where the sub needs to live so I would need to go smaller than the Energy 10.3 or probably any other 10" sub.

Any thoughts on something smaller?
post #6 of 27
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Originally Posted by willp2 View Post
Any thoughts on something smaller?

Did you see my reply?
post #7 of 27
Thread Starter 
I did, sorry but I was a bit confused by that. I thought you were suggesting I buy a pair of 8's which I certainly don't have room for. I'll have a look at them. The price certainly sounds good as well!
post #8 of 27
How much space do you have for a sub to fit? Length, width, depth?
post #9 of 27
Thread Starter 
Good question. I don't have exact measurements now, but will take a look when I get home. Right now I have the sub from a Sony HT-CT100 sound bar. Its fits where it is because it is tall and skinny. The current sub is 6.3 W x 19.7 H x 14.2 D (inches)

Something like that again would be great if I didn't need to compromise too much on quality and cost. I know I'm talking cheap and small here so this will be compromise no matter how I slice it.
post #10 of 27
A little bit more than in cost than that Energy S10.3 I pointed out are the Outlaw Audio M8 and HSU STF-1 8" subwoofers. Of the two, the Outlaw goes down to 29hz, which is really good for an 8". They are under $300 shipped and are in the same quality range as the Energy sub. Each is approximately 11" wide. I don't know how you can go a lot skinnier, though, and still get really good bass response. You can get something like the Energy ESW-M8, which is 9" wide, but it only goes down to 36hz.

Don't compare the amp wattage between that Energy and the HSU and Outlaw Audio. Because the Energy is a sealed sub--no port--in a smaller box, it needs a lot more power to generate the same volume. Plus, the Energy is listing its peak amp power, whereas the others are listing continuous amp power.
post #11 of 27
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post
Of the two, the Outlaw goes down to 29hz, which is really good for an 8".
+/- 3db
The Hsu lists +/- 2 db. Does this suggest a less steep rolloff? Likely, they play virtually the same.
post #12 of 27
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Originally Posted by leninGHOLA View Post

+/- 3db
The Hsu lists +/- 2 db. Does this suggest a less steep rolloff? Likely, they play virtually the same.

Good point. Didn't think of that. And likely that Energy is also less conservative in their estimates, although I have not seen direct proof of that.
post #13 of 27
Thread Starter 
Very nice thanks for the info. I'll have a look at all those. Unfortunately I know little about what makes a good sub so thanks so much for the links and the explanations.

I picked up the speakers today. I'll start digging on on sub's this weekend and now I need to start looking for something to drive these as well.

Thanks again!
post #14 of 27
Let's get the facts straight, the Energy S10.3 is NOT a sealed sub. It is 200w RMS , they are in a bigger box than either of the 8" HSU or Outlaw and they sound great. For the money you can't beat that Energy sub, as long as it is still on sale.
post #15 of 27
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

Don't compare the amp wattage between that Energy and the HSU and Outlaw Audio. Because the Energy is a sealed sub--no port--in a smaller box, it needs a lot more power to generate the same volume. Plus, the Energy is listing its peak amp power, whereas the others are listing continuous amp power.

Not true!, here are the specs.


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16882269026
post #16 of 27
It really does seem the the Energy is the best buy of the bunch in this case however if you cant fit the sub in your space, the HSU or Outlaw are solid choices.
post #17 of 27
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Originally Posted by kesando View Post

It really does seem the the Energy is the best buy of the bunch in this case however if you cant fit the sub in your space, the HSU or Outlaw are solid choices.

Totally agree, if space is an issue than you have to do what you can.
post #18 of 27
If/when you eventually upgrade, consider using your existing Take speakers for the surrounds, then getting different (but matched) L/C/R fronts. I started out with the Take 5.1 + 10.3 sub, so I have fond memories of that setup
post #19 of 27
Thread Starter 
I might have more flexibility on size if the sub if I locate it somewhere else in the room. That's no small task here but it may be doable. Right now the sub is just off center up front. How far away and off center can I move it before it becomes a problem? Could it be toward the middle or back of the room or is that just bad?

I do like that idea of using these drivers as a starting point by making them the surrounds eventually and replacing them with something better as cel4145 and tezster mentioned. It's great to have a path to improve from instead of planning on replacing everything again in a couple of years.
post #20 of 27
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Originally Posted by willp2 View Post

I might have more flexibility on size if the sub if I locate it somewhere else in the room. That's no small task here but it may be doable. Right now the sub is just off center up front. How far away and off center can I move it before it becomes a problem? Could it be toward the middle or back of the room or is that just bad?


There is no way to tell best placement for your sub without doing a proper sub crawl. If you can post a sketchup, some here can get you started with an idea of where the sub might sound best.

My room is set up where the back left corner, behind/next to the couch sounds best, but that doesn't mean it will be true for your room.
post #21 of 27
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Originally Posted by Zuk109 View Post

Not true!, here are the specs.


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16882269026

Sorry if I was not clear. I was referring to the Energy ESW-M8. The OP already ruled out the S10.3 as being too big.
post #22 of 27
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post


Sorry if I was not clear. I was referring to the Energy ESW-M8. The OP already ruled out the S10.3 as being too big.

Sorry Cel, my bad.

I reread your post and seen where you started talking about the smaller Energy.
post #23 of 27
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Originally Posted by Zuk109 View Post

Sorry Cel, my bad.

I reread your post and seen where you started talking about the smaller Energy.

Oh, you don't need to apologize. I replied in case the OP didn't pick up on that, either. I wasn't very clear
post #24 of 27
Thread Starter 
Anyone have any thoughts on an Energy EXL-S10 sub? It's an older model that a guy here locally is selling for $50.

He says its in great shape and he's just upgraded his. He will let me listen to it before buying. If its not obvious yet I'm trying to do this on the cheap.

Here's the PDF brochure for it.

PDF from Energy
post #25 of 27
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Originally Posted by willp2 View Post

Anyone have any thoughts on an Energy EXL-S10 sub? It's an older model that a guy here locally is selling for $50.

He says its in great shape and he's just upgraded his. He will let me listen to it before buying. If its not obvious yet I'm trying to do this on the cheap.

Here's the PDF brochure for it.

PDF from Energy

Great deal, I bought a used one for $75 3 years ago. It doesn't hit quite as low (25hz vs 21hz) as the s10.3 but it is pretty darned good. And great for 50! The power is 100W RMS, 400W peak while the s10.3 is 200W RMS and 800W peak. I have the volume control about 1/3 up on my e:XLS-10 so it has plenty of power.

I have an e:xls-10 and a s10.3 so I know both subs pretty well. Use the older sub in my bedroom and s10.3 in the living room with my system. I did use the e:xls-10 in my main room in the previous residence so it works well there too. It's really not any smaller than the s10.3 if space is a concern. The s10.3 has feet that make it a little taller.

It will blend in well with the Take Classic speakers.
post #26 of 27
Thread Starter 
Cool, thanks for the feedback. I'm not too worried about volume as we generally don't listen too loud, so good performance at lower volume is more important to me.

This one will only work for me if I can get away with not having it up front. I really have no feel for what I can get away with as far as placement, but I'm thinking that I'd be happier with something like this places off center than I would be with an under performing sub in a better position.
post #27 of 27
Speaking of Energy S10.3 .... is that a respectable sub for the $$ (I have browsed these forums, but also looking for more user opinions) ? Debating between it and the other HSUs, Outlaws, etc. Thoughts?
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