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post #421 of 682
Thanks for the report Frank. I might have to break down and go see this at the theater instead of doing my usual wait for the blu ray.
post #422 of 682
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Thanks for the report Frank. I might have to break down and go see this at the theater instead of doing my usual wait for the blu ray.

I forgot to mention the audio sounded so good for this movie especially the LFE. I actually tried out another theatre and these guys have there **** together. The pq and aq was top notch. If only the theatre I usually go to could get it right.
post #423 of 682
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I forgot to mention the audio sounded so good for this movie especially the LFE. I actually tried out another theatre and these guys have there **** together. The pq and aq was top notch. If only the theatre I usually go to could get it right.

Great to hear! ST 2009 is one of my favorite overall audio tracks on blu. Fingers crossed Into Darkness is on par and PLEASE no low end filtering! eek.gif
post #424 of 682
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I'm on my way smile.gif

Rumor is you tried a new theater with improved audio. That's great to hear. wink.gif How far of a drive is the new theater for you?

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Just came back from watching Star Trek 2 what a fantastic film, loved every minute of it from beginning to end.

The only thing I did not like and will deduct 1 point is:
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why is Leonard Nimoy in it, yes hes the original spock but hes had his time there is no need for his appearance.

Apart what i mentioned in the spoiler I give the film 8 out of 10. I hope they continue to release another one.


Call Guinness. I think JJ set a new lens flare world record. After my pupils returned to normal and I can finally see my keyboard all I have to say is, this was a badass motion picture. They crammed even more action scenes in this than in IM3. And I'm not saying that in a bad way. This movie is pure entertainment. It's what a summer blockbuster should be. I agree with your assessment 8/10 and a day one purchase on blu.
post #425 of 682
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Yeah... no kidding. Things need to happen to advance a narrative and allow resolutions. That you don't like them doesn't negate the need for them. All plot points in a narrative are contrived Josh... it's fiction!

You have ignored the most important point in my post, so I will repeat it for you:

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Now, you can argue that most things in movies are contrived to some extent, but if the movie is well written, it shouldn't feel contrived. This one does, and when the plot machinations are this transparent, that's just bad writing.
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This is a very poorly written script, which resorts to multiple deus ex machina events to resolve the plot. Anyone who knows anything at all about writing should be able to recognize that.
post #426 of 682
deus ex machina. Or in Star Trek, what we call technobabble.

Honestly, I don't really see a deus ex machina in this film. They typically involve solutions that literally materialize second before needed, and are given weight as important to the plot. This film didn't do that.
post #427 of 682
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I hope you gentlemen realize you are arguing....about Star Trek....on the internet.

We can go back to Prometheus. Guess the only thing holding up preproduction is finding time on Fassbenders schedule.
post #428 of 682
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We can go back to Prometheus.

...And get Josh all worked up again? No no no..we can't have that.
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post #429 of 682
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Anyone who knows anything at all about writing should be able to recognize that.
Everything one needs to know about writing is here:
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-tips-punching-writers-block-in-face/

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Guess the only thing holding up preproduction is finding time on Fassbenders schedule.
Hmmm...didn't know that.

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...And get Josh all worked up again? No no no..we can't have that.
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Agreed.
Even if he doesn't, we need to be respectful of Josh's blood pressure.biggrin.gif
post #430 of 682
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Rumor is you tried a new theater with improved audio. That's great to hear. wink.gif How far of a drive is the new theater for you?
Call Guinness. I think JJ set a new lens flare world record. After my pupils returned to normal and I can finally see my keyboard all I have to say is, this was a badass motion picture. They crammed even more action scenes in this than in IM3. And I'm not saying that in a bad way. This movie is pure entertainment. It's what a summer blockbuster should be. I agree with your assessment 8/10 and a day one purchase on blu.

45 minute drive Wabo but it was worth it. I have to admit I wasn't affected by the lens flare though I did watch it in 2D ( don't know if that was the reason ).

I agree with you the movie is pure entertainment, though I found it much more entertaining than IM 3. For me its top of my list as 2013 as this year blockbuster.
post #431 of 682
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45 minute drive Wabo but it was worth it. I have to admit I wasn't affected by the lens flare though I did watch it in 2D ( don't know if that was the reason ).

I saw it in 3D and strangely, maybe that's because I was kinda expecting them, the flares didn't really bother me either.
post #432 of 682
I also Loved this film! I didn't even notice the lens flare. I left the theater telling my wife that it was the best film I've seen this year. Hell she even liked it!
post #433 of 682
A friend explained to me that it's just a stupid Star Trek movie. "Stop picking it apart"

OK, but Peter Weller? "Yeah, and what?"
Well, he was kinda cheezy, nothing to chew on. Really stupid plot. "Hey stop moaning about dumb stuff, enjoy"
And what about Uhura following Spock around like a puppy? "Hey, it's the new Lt HooWho, get over it"
It just seemed stupid. Spock acting like he's got a thing on board the ship? Oh and what about the old Spock showing up? "Well, I don't know why that happened"

Wow, this if full of the dumbest Shite in so many places. Almost as bad as Prometheus. "I Have No Comment"
Well, it's not like there's no one capable of writing something new around. Really, why don't they just do a new story?

"Ahh, because Fk U, That's Why"

OK, I get it now. Great Flick Man - Flashy Stuff Rules. "See, I told you it's great"

OK, you're right. It's Star Trek. I now understand how to like it.
post #434 of 682
Just came back from seeing Star Trek 2.

I have the same generally allergy to modern action pictures expressed by some others here - the action for actions sake for the ADD generation. Especially when it comes to sci-fi type worlds I much prefer langorous shots so I can drink in the details, rather than constant whiplash camera moves.

And yet...after a while I started getting into this movie and I really did enjoy the cat and mouse, trying to figure out cumberbatch's character's motivations and next move. I guess I didn't put enough brain power into trying to figure out how everything would turn out and just enjoyed the ride.

Zachary Quinto is just passable as Spock for me. He just doesn't have the deep authoritative voice of Nimoy or the otherworldly sense of intelligence. And most of all, he, like everyone else who's tried to play a Vulcan, displays too much emotion. He's virtually ALWAYS on the barely concealed contempt mode and a permanently pissed off Spock just doesn't work for me.

I absolutely LOVE the production design, look and cinematography for these new Star Trek movies (yes including the lens flares...so sick of the complaints!). They actually almost out Ridley Scott in the Ridley Scott department of creating a gorgeous, authentic looking sci-fi world. The coherence of the design and FX work is just about the best I've ever seen and managed to make my otherwise jaded jaw drop at what I was seeing a number of times. It looked like a movie with a literally unlimited budget.
post #435 of 682
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Originally Posted by R Harkness View Post

Zachary Quinto is just passable as Spock for me. He just doesn't have the deep authoritative voice of Nimoy or the otherworldly sense of intelligence. And most of all, he, like everyone else who's tried to play a Vulcan, displays too much emotion. He's virtually ALWAYS on the barely concealed contempt mode and a permanently pissed off Spock just doesn't work for me.

Nimoy is Nimoy, but I like Zachary Quinto's Spock a lot too. I know it's been said already, but Nimoy showed too little emotion imo, and Spock is not "just" a vulcan so it makes sense that he does in fact, have, and show his emotions every once in a while. Or that he just can't help from showing them. I like the "kiss scenes" with Uhura where he almost always seems surprised, and yet he does love her of course. He doesn't show much here by the way. I like seeing more of his "human side" in this new Star Trek world. At the same time the vulcan in him is always there.

I agree completely about the production design. These new Star Trek films look absolutely amazing. I saw it a second time yesterday, and loved it at least as much as the first time.
post #436 of 682
Spock making out with Uhura is the one thing that bugged me in the first film. Sorry to hear I'll have to endure it again in the new film. New timeline or not, that's just not Spock. (Unless under the influence of alien spores.) One of the appeals of the character is his repression of the human side...not the indulgence of it.
post #437 of 682
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Originally Posted by Morpheo View Post

Nimoy is Nimoy, but I like Zachary Quinto's Spock a lot too. I know it's been said already, but Nimoy showed too little emotion imo,

Holy Mackerel, we couldn't be farther apart on that one.

It's the control of emotion that MAKES Spock "Spock." Otherwise he's just a smart guy with pointy ears. It's what made the character what he was, gave it the impact for those times when he did show any emotion (and Nimoy admits they started to water down Spock when they started looking for excuses later in the show for Spock to show his emotions).

Instead of just having an actor place his thoughts, opinions and emotions in emotional neon in front of you, part of the appeal was both in watching Nimoy's opposite, non-emotional reactions where every other character/actor would just emote. And it made reading Spock so fascinating, the way Nimoy had to retreat to such an incredibly internal state, conveying what was going on in his mind with the most economy. It's those very "Vulcan" aspects that made the character what it was, and Nimoy's skill in meeting that challenge raised it to iconic status. Watching other actors grapple with the difficulty of playing a Vulcan only makes Nimoy's achievement more pronounced, IMO.
post #438 of 682
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One of the appeals of the character is his repression of the human side...not the indulgence of it.

But why would he have to repress his human side in the first place? Because his vulcan side tells him so? The new version is focusing on him struggling with his "two sides", and I find that rather appealing too. His father, 100% vulcan, had no problem making out with a human lady apparently, and more importantly loving her, so Spock being with Uhura is a non issue to me. I'm not trying to imply there's a "wrong opinion" and a "right opinion" here, we both have ours and that's fine, I'm just saying what I like in this new version of the character.
post #439 of 682
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Originally Posted by R Harkness View Post

Holy Mackerel, we couldn't be farther apart on that one.

It's the control of emotion that MAKES Spock "Spock." Otherwise he's just a smart guy with pointy ears. It's what made the character what he was, gave it the impact for those times when he did show any emotion (and Nimoy admits they started to water down Spock when they started looking for excuses later in the show for Spock to show his emotions).

Then they should have written the character as a 100% vulcan... wink.gif

It's the control of emotion that makes a vulcan a vulcan. Like Spock's father. And yet, even him couldn't control nor refrain the love he had for his human wife. But Spock isn't only a vulcan... So again, I think it makes sense that he shows more emotion than a regular vulcan, it's part of who he is. The "old version" took care of showing us a Spock trying to control his emotions at all costs, but I have no problem with the new version of showing us a more troubled personality, because it's inevitable that his human side is messing with his vulcan, wiser, superior or whatever, side.
post #440 of 682
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But why would he have to repress his human side in the first place? Because his vulcan side tells him so? The new version is focusing on him struggling with his "two sides", and I find that rather appealing too. His father, 100% vulcan, had no problem making out with a human lady apparently, and more importantly loving her, so Spock being with Uhura is a non issue to me. I'm not trying to imply there's a "wrong opinion" and a "right opinion" here, we both have ours and that's fine, I'm just saying what I like in this new version of the character.

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Then they should have written the character as a 100% vulcan... wink.gif

It's the control of emotion that makes a vulcan a vulcan. Like Spock's father. And yet, even him couldn't control nor refrain the love he had for his human wife. But Spock isn't only a vulcan... So again, I think it makes sense that he shows more emotion than a regular vulcan, it's part of who he is. The "old version" took care of showing us a Spock trying to control his emotions at all costs, but I have no problem with the new version of showing us a more troubled personality, because it's inevitable that his human side is messing with his vulcan, wiser, superior or whatever, side.

+1! Personally, it makes the character more complex as his constant internal battle is very interesting. And for people saying he's making out with Uhura, that's not the case. It's more like she's kissing him and he just accepts it in puzzlement. You don't see him lunging for her to make out at anytime during the movie.
post #441 of 682
FINALLY got to see this over the weekend and simply put, I thought it was great! I even thought it was better than the first, which IMO is saying a lot because I didn't feel the first to be lacking much. This took you on more of a ride and certainly went a little deeper with the characters and story. I felt the core cast grew in their performances, Cumberbatch was brilliant and Peter Weller was outstanding. I felt the movie was consistent enough with the first, I like the "ground based" elements of the movie (as opposed to all space battles); however, no one can bring the Enterprise out of the clouds like Abrams biggrin.gif And for me, this movie not only portrayed the strongest threat by an antagonist but also IMO profoundly portrayed more so than any other Trek movie why tensions would exist as far as the neutral zone is concerned.

At this point, my only issue with this movie is with Alice Eve's character. IMO she added nothing to the film and was basically a plug character to allow a certain storyline to play out. But this is nothing that will keep me from going to see this again before it leaves the theater.

Saw it 2D btw and glad I did. I see where some of the filming would be 3D enhanced but not in a way that I feel would enhance the telling of the story for me.
post #442 of 682
Regarding the Spock conversation, I also like this portrayal. To me it gives more texture to the Spock and Uhura characters and relationship. On one hand I look at Spock's father loving and marrying a human and with the understanding of "what makes a Vulcan a Vulcan" I question whether his father questioned the extent of this practice. Did he just happen to fall in love of did he seek it out, embrace it, indulge in it? With Spock being a "rebel" in Vulcan terms, it stands to reason that he gets it from somewhere. It adds a dimension of question to his character but not in a way that distracts. It simply makes me want to know more about how Spock and Uhura happened and what makes it work. What's her story? Why would a woman want an emotionally restrained relationship? Was there something in her past that causes this to work for her in some degree? Or is it some taboo based relationship between the two where she gets Spock to express himself and he secretly indulges himself? Yeah, that's a stretch but the intrigue works for me. To this point, I will add that Zoe Saldana absolutely sells this relationship!
post #443 of 682
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You have ignored the most important point in my post, so I will repeat it for you:

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Now, you can argue that most things in movies are contrived to some extent, but if the movie is well written, it shouldn't feel contrived. This one does, and when the plot machinations are this transparent, that's just bad writing.
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This is a very poorly written script, which resorts to multiple deus ex machina events to resolve the plot. Anyone who knows anything at all about writing should be able to recognize that.

JoshZ, you are a real Debbie Downer. I think you should stick to documentaries from now on.
post #444 of 682
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Originally Posted by TyrantII View Post

deus ex machina. Or in Star Trek, what we call technobabble.

Honestly, I don't really see a deus ex machina in this film. They typically involve solutions that literally materialize second before needed, and are given weight as important to the plot. This film didn't do that.
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
"Oh no, Kirk is dead. I'm so sad."

"Hey, wait a minute. I coincidentally just happened to inject this dead Tribble with Khan's blood at the same time Kirk was brought in here, because it's not like I have anything better to do while the captain of the ship is dying in front of me, and OH MY GOD it's magic resurrecting blood!!!! What amazingly perfect timing that I discovered this just exactly when I most needed it!"

Deus.
Ex.
Machina.
post #445 of 682
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Originally Posted by R Harkness View Post

I absolutely LOVE the production design, look and cinematography for these new Star Trek movies

I will agree that the production design is terrific. Except for the Enterprise Brewery, of course. That was just embarrassingly silly in the last film, and I can't believe Abrams brought it back after everyone made so much fun of it the last time.

Also, certain sections of the new Enterprise must have stolen technology from Doctor Who's TARDIS. Engineering is way bigger on the inside than it could possibly be based on what we see from outside.
post #446 of 682
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JoshZ, you are a real Debbie Downer. I think you should stick to documentaries from now on.

Let's just agree that you and I have different taste in movies and decide to never talk to each other again. Trying to debate movies with you is about as productive as punching myself repeatedly in the face.
post #447 of 682
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And for people saying he's making out with Uhura, that's not the case. It's more like she's kissing him and he just accepts it in puzzlement. You don't see him lunging for her to make out at anytime during the movie.

Then again, Zachary Quinto is gay. No deus ex machina there. tongue.gif
post #448 of 682
Just finally saw this movie yesterday and have the time to rejoin some active conversations and post again.

Really enjoyed this- but I don't think is was as well done as the 2009 film.

A few things to point out (on the negative) and I agree with a few of the comments from others that the character development is very lacking in today's movies - Sci-fi or not. So , putting that aside ...

1) In no universe, Star Trek or other, would displays of affection be allowed in a public area on the Enterprise between 2 officers. That was very unrealistic for me - especially between those two.
2) Why would you "beam in " a communications officer to help out when one of your best trained/strongest/fastest individuals who is getting the crap beat out of them in a physical confrontation. Really - how about a trained combat person or military personnel !!

On the positive side- great audio/visual effects - I saw it in IMAX 3D = super clear and well done.
post #449 of 682
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And for people saying he's making out with Uhura, that's not the case. It's more like she's kissing him and he just accepts it in puzzlement. You don't see him lunging for her to make out at anytime during the movie.
True, he never initiates, she always does. Same is true in the old series: the couple of moments of flirtation between them was always initiated by her.
post #450 of 682
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Everything one needs to know about writing is here:
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-tips-punching-writers-block-in-face/

Strunk & Whites', The Elements of Style will really will tell you all you need to know about writing. The Kindle edition to which I linked is free from Amazon. This little volume has been my bible for more than 40 years and is never far from hand.
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