Originally Posted by Closet Geek
Please don't get me wrong when I say this but it almost seems like there is an "attempt" to find something wrong here and with many other movies as well. I'm a huge Raiders of the Lost Ark fan and frankly, I didn't get any of this when I went to see ST:ID. It might have been one thing if this were a Raiders "knock off" movie like Librarian: Quest for the Spear (or whatever) or even if the scene was just like Raiders with the cave and the spider webs and of course the big stone. But it wasn't. There was a volcano and a red forest. Sure some people were running and some people were chasing but there was no "Raiders" for me. I went to see Star Trek and feel like I got Star Trek, especially during that bad a$$ scene with the Enterprise rising out of the water!
Now I don't know if there was an actual "homage" paid to Raiders or not but if there was and people learned about it ahead of time and went into the movie with Raiders of the Lost Ark on the brain then IMO that's not a flaw with the movie. Sometimes I think people take these things just a little too seriously and frankly, I wonder if they actually enjoy the escapism that movies offer. While not the best movie I've ever seen, I thought it was a great follow up to the first, kept me engaged (see what I did there?) and believe it or not, my wife cried at the end of it. And trust me, NO ONE, picks apart a movie like she does! Drives me bananas.
I guess what I'm saying is I didn't get the Raiders thing but I probably will now when I watch it at home for the first time this weekend. But even if so, of all the things to recall about this movie, it's hard for me to understand why it would be this scene.
I think my criticism of the scene has been misinterpreted. First, I went out of my way to avoid information about the movie, not reading spoilers, reviews, or even this thread between the time the movie came out and my first viewing of it. (The revelation of the villain was unavoidable, unfortunately, but I digress.) There was zero expectation or anticipation of any Raiders connection going into it, but it did strike me immediately upon seeing it.
Secondly, I'm not the only person to have noticed it. After posting my thoughts here, I did a simple web search for connections between the two, and others pointed out the same thing. Some of those came from professional critics, who also wouldn't have had foreknowledge of the scene. A few even mentioned the second connection that I purposely left out of my original comments, which was warehouse scene at the end of the movie. While it also caught my attention at the time, I did not feel as transparent as the opening chase, so I left it out.
Just to clear this up, the scene was an intentional homage to Raiders. From the website FastCompany
This trend began--debatably--with Raiders of the Lost Ark, which Kurtzman says is a movie that inspires them time and again (they have worked with Raiders director Steven Spielberg a few times, notably on the Transformers movies and Cowboys and Aliens). And yet, Star Trek Into Darkness begins a bit differently than Raiders: "That movie [Raiders] has a cold opening and once it’s done, it’s done." Kurtzman, Orci, and Lindelof wanted to use this isolated opening sequence as many action writers now do--to set up the themes of the movie--in this case, the ways that Spock and Kirk view the universe differently. "The opening sequence is an homage to Raiders, but it’s also a setup to their conflict in the movie. And if you can do both, you know you’re doing something."
(I didn't find this interview until after originally posting this reply.)
Thirdly, the homage did not ruin the movie. As I stated earlier, it did pull me out of it, wondering why they would choose to feature such an extensive part of the movie rehashing what most of the audience has already seen in a well-known and beloved classic film. But it was flawed in so many other ways (very well pointed out by earlier posts in this thread), that is isn't a major flaw. I tried to focus on things that I hadn't seen in the other posts here.
Fourth, while the scene didn't ruin it, it does tie into a bigger flaw, which was the startling lack of originality. In addition to the recycled Raiders scene, we have recycled characters, recycled dialog, and recycled plot elements. We all expected the main characters to return, but the first movie did a great job of making the audience understand that this wasn't a rehash of the old Star Trek, thereby setting up the perfect launching point for brand new exploration and adventures. Unfortunately, they squandered that by returning to what we've already seen (not just in Star Trek).
As far as not enjoying the escapism that this kind of film can offer, it's simply not true. I won't bother reciting a litany of movies to demonstrate otherwise, but I'll just reiterate that my high hopes for this movie were overcome it's many flaws and missed potential. It also won't keep me from seeing the third movie, but my expectations will be lower next time.
ScottEdited by srw1000 - 9/26/13 at 8:44pm