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post #2311 of 3703
Check your distance settings. I eventually found the autocal was not getting the distances spot on. Once i matched the distances for the paired left right speakers everything was nicely centered. Its amazing how sensitive im finding my ears are in terms of the individual distance setting. I cant remember the exact numbers but i think the 5509 has a resolution of 6cm for the distance.
post #2312 of 3703
Hi Guys just thought i'd check in I've had my 80.3 now for a week and have had no issues . What a great pre/pro and I just picked up and am now running it with a Parasound Halo A 52 amp and what great match ! It sounds stunning !
post #2313 of 3703
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Originally Posted by windshear View Post

Check your distance settings. I had the same problem on my Onkyo PRSC 5509. Once i matched the distances for the paired left right speakers everything was spot on. Its amazing how sensitive im finding my ears are in terms of the individual distance setting.

After running audyssey pro, I did this, with a laser - they were off by several inches, some over a foot - but doesn't audyssey set the distance based on other acoustical factors (or is that more of sub only)

I will reload the calibration to restore the settings...
post #2314 of 3703
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post

After running audyssey pro, I did this, with a laser - they were off by several inches, some over a foot - but doesn't audyssey set the distance based on other acoustical factors (or is that more of sub only)

I will reload the calibration to restore the settings...

It is critical as far as i have found out, that your first measurement at your main listening position (mlp) is centered between left and right. Initial levels and distances will be skewed if this isnt done. The subsequent measurements for Audyssey will just improve the size of the listening bubble around the mlp. In my case my room and layout is symmetrical so i can achieve this centering, then again maybe it amplifies any anomaly if you are not spot on.

I also use a quad sub set up and was getting distance issues on the sub 1 output as well. I found the one pair of subs on the sub 1 output, their levels were not matched which gave me a distance less than 3 feet when they were 15 feet away. Once i matched their levels manually then the distance measured was spot on.

What is your take on audio quality between the CP800 SSP800 and the integra? I couldnt notice any difference between the Onkyo and the CP800 when fed from my Oppo via digital or analogue, so did not buy the Classe. I was expecting a lot more from the CP800.
post #2315 of 3703
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Originally Posted by windshear View Post

Check your distance settings. I eventually found the autocal was not getting the distances spot on. Once i matched the distances for the paired left right speakers everything was nicely centered. Its amazing how sensitive im finding my ears are in terms of the individual distance setting. I cant remember the exact numbers but i think the 5509 has a resolution of 6cm for the distance.

Well I did another audyssey pro calibration, and the balance seems correct, so something was wrong with the first pass I did

Regarding adjusting distances, should one do this after audyssey? I recall that audyssey adds or deletes from the actual measurement as part of its processing for the time domain...or is that only for the sub?

Thamks
post #2316 of 3703
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Originally Posted by windshear View Post


What is your take on audio quality between the CP800 SSP800 and the integra? I couldnt notice any difference between the Onkyo and the CP800 when fed from my Oppo via digital or analogue, so did not buy the Classe. I was expecting a lot more from the CP800.

I've not yet compared the two but will over the memorial day weekend (nor do I have an oppo to test its dacs) but I'm finding the cp800 to be a wonderful device...I've not had a chance to set the eq with it yet either, waiting for my mic to be returned by Dayton for profiling...
post #2317 of 3703
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post

Well I did another audyssey pro calibration, and the balance seems correct, so something was wrong with the first pass I did
Regarding adjusting distances, should one do this after audyssey? I recall that audyssey adds or deletes from the actual measurement as part of its processing for the time domain...or is that only for the sub?Thamks

Glad you're getting good results. Audyssey simply measures the time it takes for the signal to get from the speaker to mic pos#1. It's the same proces for satellite speakers and sub(s). What's different about subs is that many have internal processing. That processing often adds delay (which translates into distance). Audyssey takes that into account, so that the wavefronts should all reach your ears simultaneously. Some folks later adjust those distance settings in the processor for various reasons, such as imaging, which is done by ear. Others use measuring gear and adjust the distance for smoothness of sub/bass response and even to tweak the integration of subs and mains. Some of this was recently posted on the Audyssey Pro kit thread.
post #2318 of 3703
Well it seems my 9.9's subwoofer out went kaputz. Ordered an 80.3. Should be here in a week or so. Any advice?
post #2319 of 3703
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Originally Posted by wingnut4772 View Post

Well it seems my 9.9's subwoofer out went kaputz. Ordered an 80.3. Should be here in a week or so. Any advice?

Yes... The word is kaput... Putz is completely different
post #2320 of 3703
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Yes... The word is kaput... Putz is completely different

Haha.. I sit corrected.
post #2321 of 3703
I just pulled the trigger and bought a used 80.3. I won't actually have it and be up and running for about 2 weeks, but am trying to figure out my music library options. Other than streaming from a computer that either takes time to boot up or has to be left on all the time, what are you guys & gals using for a music "server" with your 80.3's and 5508's? I see that you can plug a USB drive in either the front or back and run music files from that, but my guess is that the 80.3 doesn't provide any type of user interface that would allow you to move files around, create playlists, etc. I don't want to hijack this thread, but what are my "non-computer" and "non Ipod/Ipad/MP3 player" options for streaming regular and hi-res music files to the 80.3 where I would have access to an interface to create playlists and such? It seems like the few music servers that I have seen (Olive is the first one that comes to mind), are ridiculously overpriced for something that isn't much more than an encased hard drive and a GUI. Thanks and feel free to PM me if you'd prefer.
post #2322 of 3703
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Originally Posted by Skillet View Post

I just pulled the trigger and bought a used 80.3. I won't actually have it and be up and running for about 2 weeks, but am trying to figure out my music library options. Other than streaming from a computer that either takes time to boot up or has to be left on all the time, what are you guys & gals using for a music "server" with your 80.3's and 5508's? I see that you can plug a USB drive in either the front or back and run music files from that, but my guess is that the 80.3 doesn't provide any type of user interface that would allow you to move files around, create playlists, etc. I don't want to hijack this thread, but what are my "non-computer" and "non Ipod/Ipad/MP3 player" options for streaming regular and hi-res music files to the 80.3 where I would have access to an interface to create playlists and such? It seems like the few music servers that I have seen (Olive is the first one that comes to mind), are ridiculously overpriced for something that isn't much more than an encased hard drive and a GUI. Thanks and feel free to PM me if you'd prefer.

This is one area for certain where Denon out performs Integra due to the availability of AirPlay on newer receivers. It is in fact one of my considerations for switching. For streaming, Integra has much to be desired but I do not think this is of any concern to them as they only offers support for Win. UPnP is in my opinion a waste of time.
post #2323 of 3703
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Originally Posted by Skillet View Post

I just pulled the trigger and bought a used 80.3. I won't actually have it and be up and running for about 2 weeks, but am trying to figure out my music library options. Other than streaming from a computer that either takes time to boot up or has to be left on all the time, what are you guys & gals using for a music "server" with your 80.3's and 5508's? I see that you can plug a USB drive in either the front or back and run music files from that, but my guess is that the 80.3 doesn't provide any type of user interface that would allow you to move files around, create playlists, etc. I don't want to hijack this thread, but what are my "non-computer" and "non Ipod/Ipad/MP3 player" options for streaming regular and hi-res music files to the 80.3 where I would have access to an interface to create playlists and such? It seems like the few music servers that I have seen (Olive is the first one that comes to mind), are ridiculously overpriced for something that isn't much more than an encased hard drive and a GUI. Thanks and feel free to PM me if you'd prefer.


I don't use the Integra for that purpose. I use my Oppo 93 with USB or eSata directly from a hard drive instead. It's a much simpler setup, and it supports even hi Rez multichannel downloads, videos, etc. plus ripped CDs, of course. Rumor has it that there is software out there to rip Blu-rays, as well. But, Oppo officially discontinued support of Blu-ray from hard drive beyond a certain fimware level. The Oppo comes into the Integra via HDMI.

The hard drives are authored on a PC, but the the PC is out of the picture on playback as the drive is moved over to the Oppo. It's good old sneaker net, but with terabyte capacity.

Actually, I use the less expensive internal hard drives into a cheap, quick swap EZ Dock. The dock is what has the USB/ connections to the Oppo. The drives are easily swappable, so my library can easily get into terabytes spread over as many mountable drives as I need now and in the future. Some friends have over 10 terabytes in their libraries this way.

It's cheap and simple plug 'n play and easy to create backups with another separate mirror image drive cloning dock or the hard drive can be simply and quickly copied from the PC via USB 3.0. The only limit is that the Oppo can only access one drive at a time. A 2 TB internal drive costs around $110 these days and the USB 2.0 EZ Dock is about $20. A USB 3.0 dock is about twice that, but you only need 2.0 for playback.

Plus, it sounds great and the picture looks great. My friends and I think CDs sound slightly better played back from the hard drive rather than the silver disk.
post #2324 of 3703
Holy Cow am I blonde! I had the wrong switch turned off on ALL the ULS15s. Well I'll just be moving along now......
post #2325 of 3703
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Originally Posted by wingnut4772 View Post

Holy Cow am I blonde! I had the wrong switch turned off on ALL the ULS15s. Well I'll just be moving along now......

Enjoy the 80.3
post #2326 of 3703
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Originally Posted by fitzcaraldo215 View Post

I don't use the Integra for that purpose. I use my Oppo 93 with USB or eSata directly from a hard drive instead. It's a much simpler setup, and it supports even hi Rez multichannel downloads, videos, etc. plus ripped CDs, of course. Rumor has it that there is software out there to rip Blu-rays, as well. But, Oppo officially discontinued support of Blu-ray from hard drive beyond a certain fimware level. The Oppo comes into the Integra via HDMI.

The hard drives are authored on a PC, but the the PC is out of the picture on playback as the drive is moved over to the Oppo. It's good old sneaker net, but with terabyte capacity.

Actually, I use the less expensive internal hard drives into a cheap, quick swap EZ Dock. The dock is what has the USB/ connections to the Oppo. The drives are easily swappable, so my library can easily get into terabytes spread over as many mountable drives as I need now and in the future. Some friends have over 10 terabytes in their libraries this way.

It's cheap and simple plug 'n play and easy to create backups with another separate mirror image drive cloning dock or the hard drive can be simply and quickly copied from the PC via USB 3.0. The only limit is that the Oppo can only access one drive at a time. A 2 TB internal drive costs around $110 these days and the USB 2.0 EZ Dock is about $20. A USB 3.0 dock is about twice that, but you only need 2.0 for playback.

Plus, it sounds great and the picture looks great. My friends and I think CDs sound slightly better played back from the hard drive rather than the silver disk.

Thanks for the info. I'm assuming then that the BDP-93 has at least a decent GUI that allows you to somewhat organize/categorize your files on the drive, create playlists, etc.? I currently have a BDP-83 and upgrading to the 93 is on my list of stuff to do, but I haven't had time to really look into all of its features in depth.
post #2327 of 3703
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Originally Posted by jmschnur View Post

Enjoy the 80.3

Yep. That's one way to get one. At least I can sell the 9.9 on Audiogon now
post #2328 of 3703
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Originally Posted by mitohobe View Post


This is one area for certain where Denon out performs Integra due to the availability of AirPlay on newer receivers. It is in fact one of my considerations for switching. For streaming, Integra has much to be desired but I do not think this is of any concern to them as they only offers support for Win. UPnP is in my opinion a waste of time.

Just spend $99 on an apple tv. Problem solved. Then you can overlay its audio over other sources like tv...like I like to do with some ball games.

If the 80.3 did 11 channels I'd swap my 4311 for it in a heartbeat...and I like my 4311 quite a bit, mind you. outside of direct streaming to it and 11 channel capability I don't know that it outperforms/features the 80.3 in any other regard. Oh...the upper Denons can also play 2 channel PCM to the zones which is nice.

I'm kinda counting on the "80.4" to finally make the move to 11.2 and add 2 channel PCM to the zones and then an Integra will finally be sitting in my rack!

Don't burst my bubble...a man can dream!

If you don't need/want 11 channel capability it's hard to imagine a better machine than the 80.3.


James
post #2329 of 3703
Does the 80.3 allow for subwoofer processing in Direct mode?
post #2330 of 3703
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Originally Posted by wingnut4772 View Post

Does the 80.3 allow for subwoofer processing in Direct mode?

Yes.in audio settings in setup.
post #2331 of 3703
I'm looking for help from an 80.3 or 70.3 owner who has done the Audyssey Pro calibration successfully. I'm a calibrator who's done numerous Audyssey pro cals on equipment using both the serial connection and network connection, the latest of those being the Onkyo 5509 pre/pro.
I have attempted to connect to both a 70.3 and an 80.3 using the network connection (the only possible option) with no success. I have followed the instructions in the Integra Interface 2 download. When I get to the screen that has me select what I am trying to interface with, I select Integra DHC-80.3/DTR-80.3/DRT-70.3. I input the IP address. Then I click on the next arrow and nothing happens. I have tried with the Integra on/off/in the setup menu. The only response I can get is if I have it in the setup menu when I press the next arrow the setup menu goes away.
Can someone who has done this on the 80.3 or 70.3 tell me the exact steps they followed to get past this stage? Thanks!

PS I got this response from Audyssey after the first time:
Please follow the user guide attached.

Please let the AVR boot for 30-40 seconds before connecting with MultEQ Pro.

Also tried pulling the power to the unit, router, and rebooting the laptop.

Please disabled IP control on AVR.


This last time I tried all these things.
post #2332 of 3703
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Originally Posted by Skillet View Post

Thanks for the info. I'm assuming then that the BDP-93 has at least a decent GUI that allows you to somewhat organize/categorize your files on the drive, create playlists, etc.? I currently have a BDP-83 and upgrading to the 93 is on my list of stuff to do, but I haven't had time to really look into all of its features in depth.

Yes, there is a GUI, but it presents your files and folders just like Windows does. So, however you organize your stuff when you create the hard drive on your PC is what you will see on the Oppo. The other alternatives are the Dune players, which I think would have a similar GUI presentation. But, for the money, I do not see the advantage to those vs. the Oppo 93. For example, they do not play SACD.
post #2333 of 3703
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Originally Posted by Chad B View Post

I'm looking for help from an 80.3 or 70.3 owner who has done the Audyssey Pro calibration successfully. I'm a calibrator who's done numerous Audyssey pro cals on equipment using both the serial connection and network connection, the latest of those being the Onkyo 5509 pre/pro.
I have attempted to connect to both a 70.3 and an 80.3 using the network connection (the only possible option) with no success. I have followed the instructions in the Integra Interface 2 download. When I get to the screen that has me select what I am trying to interface with, I select Integra DHC-80.3/DTR-80.3/DRT-70.3. I input the IP address. Then I click on the next arrow and nothing happens. I have tried with the Integra on/off/in the setup menu. The only response I can get is if I have it in the setup menu when I press the next arrow the setup menu goes away.
Can someone who has done this on the 80.3 or 70.3 tell me the exact steps they followed to get past this stage? Thanks!

I have done many Pro calibrations but I have had the same issues that you have with my 80.2. The only procedure that works every time is to do a complete clear on the processor just prior to doing the calibration. Of course, this wipes the processor clean forcing you to reprogram every thing but I have gotten pretty quick with that.

BTW, a direct wired ethernet link between laptop and processor works some times and the recommended network link works very sporadically even though web control is reliable.
post #2334 of 3703
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

I have done many Pro calibrations but I have had the same issues that you have with my 80.2. The only procedure that works every time is to do a complete clear on the processor just prior to doing the calibration. Of course, this wipes the processor clean forcing you to reprogram every thing but I have gotten pretty quick with that.

BTW, a direct wired ethernet link between laptop and processor works some times and the recommended network link works very sporadically even though web control is reliable.

Thanks Kal! I will try that. What's the procedure for doing a complete clear? I do not have access to the unit right now; I'm scheduled to do it in a couple days.
BTW, Stereophile is what got me into high end audio back in the mid/late 80's!
post #2335 of 3703
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post


I have done many Pro calibrations but I have had the same issues that you have with my 80.2. The only procedure that works every time is to do a complete clear on the processor just prior to doing the calibration. Of course, this wipes the processor clean forcing you to reprogram every thing but I have gotten pretty quick with that.

BTW, a direct wired ethernet link between laptop and processor works some times and the recommended network link works very sporadically even though web control is reliable.

On my 80.2 unplugging and waiting a bit and then replugging has worked every time with direct Ethernet to switch to laptop.

Windows 7 pro OS.

I now get reliable connections on my LAN all direct wired. However I sometimes need to do the unplugging thing. Network control must be enabled btw.
post #2336 of 3703
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Originally Posted by mastermaybe View Post


Just spend $99 on an apple tv. Problem solved. Then you can overlay its audio over other sources like tv...like I like to do with some ball games.

If the 80.3 did 11 channels I'd swap my 4311 for it in a heartbeat...and I like my 4311 quite a bit, mind you. outside of direct streaming to it and 11 channel capability I don't know that it outperforms/features the 80.3 in any other regard. Oh...the upper Denons can also play 2 channel PCM to the zones which is nice.

I'm kinda counting on the "80.4" to finally make the move to 11.2 and add 2 channel PCM to the zones and then an Integra will finally be sitting in my rack!

Don't burst my bubble...a man can dream!

If you don't need/want 11 channel capability it's hard to imagine a better machine than the 80.3.

James

Apple TV is limited to 48/16, no hi-Rez audio. Furthermore, one benefit of AirPlay is to be able to control everything from one unit (iPad, iPhone, iTouch). I had one in the past, really liked it but it remained a video unit only. Maybe one day Apple will change and sell 96/24 or better via iTunes. That will be the day.
post #2337 of 3703
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Originally Posted by mitohobe View Post


Apple TV is limited to 48/16, no hi-Rez audio. Furthermore, one benefit of AirPlay is to be able to control everything from one unit (iPad, iPhone, iTouch). I had one in the past, really liked it but it remained a video unit only. Maybe one day Apple will change and sell 96/24 or better via iTunes. That will be the day.

Oh sorry, didn't know that was what you were looking for. But if so I don't know how streaming direct to the AVR is any better as you still wouldn't be able to do hi rez audio.

James
post #2338 of 3703
Ok here's a sub question. Since I am using an SMS1 for my sub EQ I only need to use the Sub 1 output on the 80.3, right?
post #2339 of 3703
Basically if Jrivers media center was combined with control4 and itunes, you might have the perfect playback system... Until then, every playback option i am aware is a frankenstein of crap. Dont even get me started.

'&' delimited artists and genres anyone?
post #2340 of 3703
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Originally Posted by Chad B View Post

I have attempted to connect to both a 70.3 and an 80.3 using the network connection (the only possible option) with no success.

There was a bit of discussion on the last couple of pages over on this Audyssey thread: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...346723&page=84
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