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post #571 of 4252
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Ummm, what do you mean "balanced to RCA adapters?"

The output of the phono preamp is RCA, so I need adapters that are female RCA at one end and male XLR at the other to plug into the balanced inputs on the Integra.
post #572 of 4252
That's what I thought. It's not that simple. To convert it is not a matter of changing from one connector to another. RCA phono (single-ended) lines need "transformed" to be XLR (balanced). IOW, you need .... transformers .. to convert between the two.
post #573 of 4252
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

don't get me started.

lol
post #574 of 4252
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

That's what I thought. It's not that simple. To convert it is not a matter of changing from one connector to another. RCA phono (single-ended) lines need "transformed" to be XLR (balanced). IOW, you need .... transformers .. to convert between the two.

No you don't. The connection just becomes an unbalances rca type. It's just an unbalanced signal instead of a balanced one. I have 10 of those cables sitting around from monoprice. I used them to hook up my pro audio gear to my regular home gear.
post #575 of 4252
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Originally Posted by N8DOGG View Post

No you don't. The connection just becomes an unbalances rca type. It's just an unbalanced signal instead of a balanced one. I have 10 of those cables sitting around from monoprice. I used them to hook up my pro audio gear to my regular home gear.

Nate... the problem is that the signal levels are different and you can easily run into input clipping issues when doing what you suggest...

Usually pro audio balanced outputs run at +4, and consumer gear runs at -10 or even -20... and you will see a similar disparity on most home theater pre/amps with both types of outputs.

While it is true that most home theater gear isn't truly balanced, it's not simply a matter of using a cable to mix and match if you want to do it correctly, and also protect your gear.

Just my .02.
post #576 of 4252
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Ciao e Felice Anno Nuovo!

I have the HD750 myself ... and the CMS is very good.

Buon anno!

I will use Onkyo CMS then. So i should look around for some good colorimeter !
post #577 of 4252
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Don't get me started.

Tell me, Jeff, do you see no benefit in passive bi-amping?
post #578 of 4252
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

That's what I thought. It's not that simple. To convert it is not a matter of changing from one connector to another. RCA phono (single-ended) lines need "transformed" to be XLR (balanced). IOW, you need .... transformers .. to convert between the two.

I don't think he's meaning to try to change it to a balanced connection (for that he needs a transformer as you say). I think he just wants a means of connecting an RCA output to an XLR input. l've forgotten what he was trying to do now and my dog is demanding his walk - was he trying to connect a turntable/deck to the pre-pro? If so he needs a phono stage somewhere in the loop - can't just connect t to any old RCA/XLR jack.
post #579 of 4252
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

Tell me, Jeff, do you see no benefit in passive bi-amping?

Well, there's the rub; without an active crossover, separate amps for the different frequency bands and wiring going to individual drivers, it's not "bi-amping/tri-amping." Somehow I missed how we got to where two sets of full range signals driving two amps connected to speaker cabinets with their own internal passive crossovers is called "bi-amping." I suspect marketing boffos.

Here is an excellent explanation of bi-amping and passive "bi-amping." Note that the first reply comes from a believer.

"In science, contrary evidence causes one to question a theory. In religion, contrary evidence causes one to question the evidence." - Floyd Toole

Don't get me started ...
post #580 of 4252
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

I don't think he's meaning to try to change it to a balanced connection (for that he needs a transformer as you say). I think he just wants a means of connecting an RCA output to an XLR input. l've forgotten what he was trying to do now and my dog is demanding his walk - was he trying to connect a turntable/deck to the pre-pro? If so he needs a phono stage somewhere in the loop - can’t just connect t to any old RCA/XLR jack.

He has a phono pre-amp and needs an input on his pre/pro as, evidently, he has a full complement of sources already.

Keith, sir, a balanced input needs to "see" a balanced signal that conforms to the standard for balanced signals WRT impedance and levels .. plural because balanced lines are 2-conductors and a ground. Single-ended line level signals are a single conductor and a ground, and are different electrically in addition to the physical connector differences.

Jeff
post #581 of 4252
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

He has a phono pre-amp and needs an input on his pre/pro as, evidently, he has a full complement of sources already.

Keith, sir, a balanced input needs to "see" a balanced signal that conforms to the standard for balanced signals WRT impedance and levels .. plural because balanced lines are 2-conductors and a ground. Single-ended line level signals are a single conductor and a ground, and are different electrically in addition to the physical connector differences.

Jeff

Jeff et al,

Thanks for all the input.

I have ordered a +4/-10 balanced/unbalanced converter.

On a separate note has anyone managed to get the firmware update working yet. As mentioned earlier in the thread, the download file will not unzip and the NET procedure gives me an error (ERROR 5-64). Not wanting to push my luck I will wait till someone has done this successfully.

Mike
post #582 of 4252
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

Nate... the problem is that the signal levels are different and you can easily run into input clipping issues when doing what you suggest...

Usually pro audio balanced outputs run at +4, and consumer gear runs at -10 or even -20... and you will see a similar disparity on most home theater pre/amps with both types of outputs.

While it is true that most home theater gear isn't truly balanced, it's not simply a matter of using a cable to mix and match if you want to do it correctly, and also protect your gear.

Just my .02.

What? Using an adapter just turns the signal to the same thing as using a regular old rca, since the ground and negative pin are put together on the rca side. He's not trying to create a balanced signal, he just wants it to work. There will be no clipping issues or anything else you guys are talking about. As long as all the connections are the same it makes 100% no difference if you are using cables like this:


Or adapters like this:

It doesn't boost the signal or anything as the xlr's are hotter than the rca's to begin with. If you don't believe me, get a cable and try it out for yourself. the cables are $5 from monoprice. there is a huge thread on this exact subject on the HT Shack. I'll see if I can find it.
post #583 of 4252
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Originally Posted by mikefl52 View Post


I have ordered a +4/-10 balanced/unbalanced converter.

post #584 of 4252
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Originally Posted by N8DOGG View Post

What? Using an adapter just turns the signal to the same thing as using a regular old rca, since the ground and negative pin are put together on the rca side.

bull.

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He's not trying to create a balanced signal, he just wants it to work.

He should be ... if he weants it to work correctly.

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There will be no clipping issues or anything else you guys are talking about. As long as all the connections are the same it makes 100% no difference if you are using cables like this:


Or adapters like this:

See first answer.

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It doesn't boost the signal or anything as the xlr's are hotter than the rca's to begin with. If you don't believe me, get a cable and try it out for yourself. the cables are $5 from monoprice. there is a huge thread on this exact subject on the HT Shack. I'll see if I can find it.

Don't bother. You can argue all you want, but there is the right way to do it and then all the other short, cheeparse routes that are wrong.
post #585 of 4252
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Originally Posted by mikefl52 View Post

Jeff et al,

Thanks for all the input.

I have ordered a +4/-10 balanced/unbalanced converter.

On a separate note has anyone managed to get the firmware update working yet. As mentioned earlier in the thread, the download file will not unzip and the NET procedure gives me an error (ERROR 5-64). Not wanting to push my luck I will wait till someone has done this successfully.

Mike

Do a processor reset before you try the update with a usb stick.
post #586 of 4252
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

bull.


He should be ... if he weants it to work correctly.


See first answer.


Don't bother. You can argue all you want, but there is the right way to do it and then all the other short, cheeparse routes that are wrong.

It would give the same results as using an RCA input, weather you think it's "right" or not doesn't matter. Just another way to skin a cat.
post #587 of 4252
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Originally Posted by N8DOGG View Post

It would give the same results as using an RCA input, weather you think it's "right" or not doesn't matter. Just another way to skin a cat.

It's not whether I think it's right or not ...
post #588 of 4252
The 12/30/2011 firmware update does indeed fix the bi-amp audyssey issue. I was able to do a full 8 station config in bi-amp mode.
post #589 of 4252
how did you eventually update the firmware? I get the same 5-64 on the network and inability to unzip the downloaded firmware.
post #590 of 4252
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Originally Posted by AndyN View Post

how did you eventually update the firmware? I get the same 5-64 on the network and inability to unzip the downloaded firmware.

I did the upgrade directly from the pre/pro on the setup/hardware setup/firmware update/reciever/via net menu structure. I did not download the firmware and do a usb update from the integrahometheater support site as that firmware is broken (as you are aware.)
post #591 of 4252
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Well, there's the rub; without an active crossover, separate amps for the different frequency bands and wiring going to individual drivers, it's not "bi-amping/tri-amping." Somehow I missed how we got to where two sets of full range signals driving two amps connected to speaker cabinets with their own internal passive crossovers is called "bi-amping." I suspect marketing boffos.

Here is an excellent explanation of bi-amping and passive "bi-amping." Note that the first reply comes from a believer.

"In science, contrary evidence causes one to question a theory. In religion, contrary evidence causes one to question the evidence." - Floyd Toole

Don't get me started ...

I think I did
post #592 of 4252
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

He has a phono pre-amp and needs an input on his pre/pro as, evidently, he has a full complement of sources already.

Keith, sir, a balanced input needs to "see" a balanced signal that conforms to the standard for balanced signals WRT impedance and levels .. plural because balanced lines are 2-conductors and a ground. Single-ended line level signals are a single conductor and a ground, and are different electrically in addition to the physical connector differences.

Jeff

Yeah, I know I missed the part where he has the phono preamp though.
post #593 of 4252
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

It's not whether I think it's right or not ...

Yes it actually is. Get over yourself if you think things can only be done one way. It may not be your way and you don't have to do it but it will work none the less. TONS of people do it that way with fine results, weather it's right or wrong to you doesn't matter, only that it works. if you can't accept that, then that's on you.

Most of the people probably don't even have a properly fully balanced system to begin with and the whole debate is pointless anyways.
post #594 of 4252
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Originally Posted by N8DOGG View Post

Yes it actually is. Get over yourself if you think things can only be done one way. It may not be your way and you don't have to do it but it will work none the less. TONS of people do it that way with fine results, weather it's right or wrong to you doesn't matter, only that it works. if you can't accept that, then that's on you.

Most of the people probably don't even have a properly fully balanced system to begin with and the whole debate is pointless anyways.

You're right about it being pointless.
post #595 of 4252
Is there any difference in sound quality between the 80.2 and 80.3? Has anyone made the switch?
post #596 of 4252
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Originally Posted by mankite View Post

Is there any difference in sound quality between the 80.2 and 80.3? Has anyone made the switch?

None whatsoever.
post #597 of 4252
I am considering an Integra 80.3 pre-processor and 70.1 amp purchase soon. Does anyone have any info (or speculation) on the likelihood of either being updated in the near future?

Or any announcements about updates for either component (in view of the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas next week)?

I read something somewhere (can't seem to find it now) about Onkyo adding a couple of features to its receiver line for 2012, but am wondering if/when during the year the 80.3/70.1 might be replaced with new models.
post #598 of 4252
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Originally Posted by ed1 View Post

I am considering an Integra 80.3 pre-processor and 70.1 amp purchase soon. Does anyone have any info (or speculation) on the likelihood of either being updated in the near future?

Or any announcements about updates for either component (in view of the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas next week)?

I read something somewhere (can't seem to find it now) about Onkyo adding a couple of features to its receiver line for 2012, but am wondering if/when during the year the 80.3/70.1 might be replaced with new models.

I will be at the CES next week and will visit the Onkyo areas. Feel free to follow me on twitter @mlknez I will be talking about that topic and others.
post #599 of 4252
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Originally Posted by ed1 View Post

I am considering an Integra 80.3 pre-processor and 70.1 amp purchase soon. Does anyone have any info (or speculation) on the likelihood of either being updated in the near future?

Or any announcements about updates for either component (in view of the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas next week)?

I read something somewhere (can't seem to find it now) about Onkyo adding a couple of features to its receiver line for 2012, but am wondering if/when during the year the 80.3/70.1 might be replaced with new models.

The 80.3/5509 is the 2012 model. It was only introduced towards the end of last year.
post #600 of 4252
Found this 12/21/11 announcement on the Onkyo website regarding its new receivers:

http://www.us.onkyo.com/press_releases.cfm?id=243
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