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post #31 of 191
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One thing I wanna know is if this set will ever get any updates since it is discontinued. I try everyday. All widgets are perfect. I got a 4 year warranty just in case to find out why toshiba pulled the plug on this one. But my previous toshiba got discontinued very fast due to the speaker problem, but if u google top 10 led HDTV, it is sitting at number ten. My set had the speaker problem too but it was overrated. All u had to do was hit input, then switch back. It only ever happened while playin ps3 or 360 or directv. It never occurred using hdmi from pc for some strange reason. But I am about to leave work. Will test panels and the images after I finish digging holes in my backyard.
post #32 of 191
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Originally Posted by rx74ray View Post

Bama29,
I think Robert is most accessible on HTS forum. I know you have an account there. Do you mind asking him:

Where does Toshiba stand on this model?
Is it in fact Full Array?
and his thoughts on it...

Thanks

Someone had already asked him about the rumor that this set was discontinued and his partial response was:

"PARDON ME, here's the scoop.... Yes Toshiba is selling this mid-year 2011 intro TV. The UL610U is Toshiba's flagship series. Toshiba starting shipping all sizes on August 20th and it will stay in the line for at least one year till the successor comes out."

So it sounds to me like there is a bit of miss information going on. Robert is very well connected with Toshiba and if he says it is so then I will go with what he says...
post #33 of 191
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Originally Posted by Bama29 View Post

Someone had already asked him about the rumor that this set was discontinued and his partial response was:

"PARDON ME, here's the scoop.... Yes Toshiba is selling this mid-year 2011 intro TV. The UL610U is Toshiba's flagship series. Toshiba starting shipping all sizes on August 20th and it will stay in the line for at least one year till the successor comes out."

So it sounds to me like there is a bit of miss information going on. Robert is very well connected with Toshiba and if he says it is so then I will go with what he says...


Well i can only comment about what i was told by both toshiba customer service ( although it is possible with the people they have working at cust service these days are not the best i suppose they might have been miss informed ) and by what i was told when calling conns as well.. that they were discontinued..

But Robert does know the business well and he should be well informed as to what is goin on, i guess we will have too see if he has a ready supply of available stock on this model and if they start showing up at bestbuy hh gregg etc.. and not just some random websites



But another odd thing is he said they started shipping as of august 20, don't you think if this is there flagship set, that at minimum they would have this on there website... but instead they have took it off there website months ago before it was released and not ever put the television back on site

http://us.toshiba.com/tv/tv-finder?type=3d%20tv


That would be like sony not having the 929 on there site..

seeming odd ???
post #34 of 191
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Originally Posted by ETERNIA FOREVER View Post

But another odd thing is he said they started shipping as of august 20, don't you think if this is there flagship set, that at minimum they would have this on there website... but instead they have took it off there website months ago before it was released and not ever put the television back on site

I absolutely agree with your comments about it being odd. In fact I think that if the 610U is the flagship for the next year then Toshiba is making a very large error in judgment in not promoting the product. In this retail environment I would think they would want as much visibility as possible. A search of the Toshiba support site yields a specification sheet and users manual for the 610U series.

I suppose time will tell.. But Odd it is!
post #35 of 191
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Originally Posted by ETERNIA FOREVER View Post

Well i can only comment about what i was told by both toshiba customer service ( although it is possible with the people they have working at cust service these days are not the best i suppose they might have been miss informed ) and by what i was told when calling conns as well.. that they were discontinued..

But Robert does know the business well and he should be well informed as to what is goin on, i guess we will have too see if he has a ready supply of available stock on this model and if they start showing up at bestbuy hh gregg etc.. and not just some random websites



But another odd thing is he said they started shipping as of august 20, don't you think if this is there flagship set, that at minimum they would have this on there website... but instead they have took it off there website months ago before it was released and not ever put the television back on site

http://us.toshiba.com/tv/tv-finder?type=3d%20tv


That would be like sony not having the 929 on there site..

seeming odd ???

As much as I like to be optimistic, I wont be surprised if what is out there is the first/last batch of panels. Like cleaning out local warehouses and dropping this unit.
I was at Frys Electronics and had the sales guy check the inventory/status.
It was listed but marked as discontinued. He was clear that they are not expecting this unit at all. But they did expect it at some point before.

Toshiba... sigh...
I hope Toshiba honers the Manfr Warranty...
post #36 of 191
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Originally Posted by rx74ray View Post

As much as I like to be optimistic, I wont be surprised if what is out there is the first/last batch of panels. Like cleaning out local warehouses and dropping this unit.
I was at Frys Electronics and had the sales guy check the inventory/status.
It was listed but marked as discontinued. He was clear that they are not expecting this unit at all. But they did expect it at some point before.

Toshiba... sigh...
I hope Toshiba honers the Manfr Warranty...

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Originally Posted by Bama29 View Post

I absolutely agree with your comments about it being odd. In fact I think that if the 610U is the flagship for the next year then Toshiba is making a very large error in judgment in not promoting the product. In this retail environment I would think they would want as much visibility as possible. A search of the Toshiba support site yields a specification sheet and users manual for the 610U series.

I suppose time will tell.. But Odd it is!


See rx74ray based on what i was told today and what you have said about frys and it been labeled as discontinued this was my thinking as well that the various internet stores got stock from who in the heck knows where and will be selling them till they are gone, then that is it with this television...

Because i am sure that toshiba just did not forget to promote this television on there website if they are indeed planning on selling it for the next year, they pulled it from the site because for some reason they discontinued it or do not plan to sell it in the usa (the bastards lmao)...


Hope i am wrong (because the only reason i am looking so much into this is because i was highly interested in it) how ever i don't think so...
post #37 of 191
Alright,
Crutchfield just posted the Hands-on research for the 46". It says "Edge-lit"

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_05246UL...=detailed_info
post #38 of 191
Toshiba Cinema Series UL610U: PROLED 32 edge-lit panel + CEVO engine like european model Toshiba REGZA WL863?...
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...3#post20520343


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post20521688

Roberto
post #39 of 191
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Originally Posted by rx74ray View Post

Alright,
Crutchfield just posted the Hands-on research for the 46". It says "Edge-lit"

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_05246UL...=detailed_info


Well that is disappointing to hear...
post #40 of 191
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Originally Posted by Bama29 View Post

I absolutely agree with your comments about it being odd. In fact I think that if the 610U is the flagship for the next year then Toshiba is making a very large error in judgment in not promoting the product. In this retail environment I would think they would want as much visibility as possible. A search of the Toshiba support site yields a specification sheet and users manual for the 610U series.

I suppose time will tell.. But Odd it is!

guys, LG is guilty of this all of the time. i know of two models that they production run for short periods of time and then they kill it. (55lhx and the lw/lv9500)

how do we go from fine local dimming to edge-lit on the product brochure? what a disappointment...
post #41 of 191
Anyone with a universal remote may be interested in all the toshiba discrete codes I posted HERE. I don't have the same model, but historically most toshibas share basically the same codes. The commands weren't in the harmony database either, last time I checked.
post #42 of 191
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Originally Posted by Bama29 View Post

Well that is disappointing to hear...

I called Crutchfield again and pointed out that they have posted conflicting statements on this TV. Where it says Full Array on features and Edge-lit on Hands-on research.

She told me it is confusing and opened a ticket so the tech support can call Toshiba can get the right answer. She did confirm again that the full array spec was sent to them by Toshiba, but she could not share that file with me.

Also, they do not show this model as discontinued.

Now go bang your head against a wall and process all this mess.
post #43 of 191
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Originally Posted by rx74ray View Post

I called Crutchfield again and pointed out that they have posted conflicting statements on this TV. Where it says Full Array on features and Edge-lit on Hands-on research.

She told me it is confusing and opened a ticket so the tech support can call Toshiba can get the right answer. She did confirm again that the full array spec was sent to them by Toshiba, but she could not share that file with me.

Also, they do not show this model as discontinued.

Now go bang your head against a wall and process all this mess.


Yeah bro i forgot because things with toshiba go on an on..........!!! an i read this along time ago but this television is the same as europes model wl863, so yeah this is an edgelit television with 32 zones of so called dimming, but bein an edgelit how good can the dimming be, locally speaking
post #44 of 191
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Originally Posted by rx74ray View Post

Alright,
Crutchfield just posted the Hands-on research for the 46". It says "Edge-lit"

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_05246UL...=detailed_info

I just got done having an online chat with Crutchfield and asked about the discrepancy between the Overview tab on which it claimed the set was Full array local dimming and the Hands on research tab that said Edge Lit. The CSR said twice that the set was full array. There is a pretty good back and forth going on at HTS. Robert's Toshiba contact re-affirmed that the 610U series would be around for the whole 2011 model year and that they in fact just received a container full of the three different sizes.

I honestly do not know what to think at this point...
post #45 of 191
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Originally Posted by Bama29 View Post

I just got done having an online chat with Crutchfield and asked about the discrepancy between the Overview tab on which it claimed the set was Full array local dimming and the Hands on research tab that said Edge Lit. The CSR said twice that the set was full array. There is a pretty good back and forth going on at HTS. Robert's Toshiba contact re-affirmed that the 610U series would be around for the whole 2011 model year and that they in fact just received a container full of the three different sizes.

I honestly do not know what to think at this point...

I dont know what to think either. Its been great so far. I have noticed 1 problem with it so far. The TV will randomly stop responding to the remote. Other than that, picture and 3d is great. I was gonna go take it back and exchange for the 515, but I will wait and see what the future will bring. Gaming is awesome on it. I do notice a few annoyances sometimes due to it being edge lit, but it is in no way a deal breaker. On an all black screen while moving the mouse I do see blooming to the left and right of the mouse pointer. The blooming stretches out to both the left and right edges. With that being said, I have never seen the same behavior on any movie so far. I can not say that it does not live up to the other one I love so much. Its a keeper until I find out why toshiba pulled the plug on it.
post #46 of 191
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I dont know what to think either. Its been great so far. I have noticed 1 problem with it so far. The TV will randomly stop responding to the remote. Other than that, picture and 3d is great. I was gonna go take it back and exchange for the 515, but I will wait and see what the future will bring. Gaming is awesome on it. I do notice a few annoyances sometimes due to it being edge lit, but it is in no way a deal breaker. On an all black screen while moving the mouse I do see blooming to the left and right of the mouse pointer. The blooming stretches out to both the left and right edges. With that being said, I have never seen the same behavior on any movie so far. I can not say that it does not live up to the other one I love so much. Its a keeper until I find out why toshiba pulled the plug on it.


Thanks for all the info thus far an if you have some time will you kindly take a few pics of this tv and put them up on the site here ??
post #47 of 191
allencc3,

According to Robert on the HTS forum, his Toshiba person in the know said that Toshiba has not pulled the plug on the 610U series. He indicated the 610U will be around the whole 2011 model year.
post #48 of 191
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Originally Posted by ETERNIA FOREVER View Post

Thanks for all the info thus far an if you have some time will you kindly take a few pics of this tv and put them up on the site here ??

What kind of pics you want me to take? Let me know. My girl can get some practice with her Digital SLR. I played some Killzone 3 in 3D and am very impressed. No noticeable crosstalk unlike my lame 55LX6500 which I am about to get rid of. I can wait till tonight so I can play in total darkness. Compared to my 46SV670U, the 46UL610U wins very easily in picture quality category. However the 46SV670U has better sounding speakers due to it not being as thin. It has not stopped responding to the remote and I have been tweaking the picture for most of the day. I will say this again, the picture quality is amazing especially when watching 1080p material with film stabilization set to HIGH. If anyone else get one, I will post my settings for you to out. Lastly, about the pulling the plug, I hope robert is right. If not, this TV is still staying in my room for a very long while.
post #49 of 191
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What kind of pics you want me to take? Let me know. My girl can get some practice with her Digital SLR. I played some Killzone 3 in 3D and am very impressed. No noticeable crosstalk unlike my lame 55LX6500 which I am about to get rid of. I can wait till tonight so I can play in total darkness. Compared to my 46SV670U, the 46UL610U wins very easily in picture quality category. However the 46SV670U has better sounding speakers due to it not being as thin. It has not stopped responding to the remote and I have been tweaking the picture for most of the day. I will say this again, the picture quality is amazing especially when watching 1080p material with film stabilization set to HIGH. If anyone else get one, I will post my settings for you to out. Lastly, about the pulling the plug, I hope robert is right. If not, this TV is still staying in my room for a very long while.


Some pics with the television off will be fine so i can see the design of the tv other then promotional pics, and if you are able to get some decent pics of picture quality with a blu ray that will be cool to..

Also are you noticing any light bleeding from any of the four corners when watching movies when the black bars are present and all the lights in your room are off ?

And how does this seem as far as gaming lag is conserned ?


Thanks very much bro
post #50 of 191
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Originally Posted by ETERNIA FOREVER View Post

Some pics with the television off will be fine so i can see the design of the tv other then promotional pics, and if you are able to get some decent pics of picture quality with a blu ray that will be cool to..

Also are you noticing any light bleeding from any of the four corners when watching movies when the black bars are present and all the lights in your room are off ?

And how does this seem as far as gaming lag is conserned ?


Thanks very much bro

With the light bleeding, I will say yes and no. Yes, if you have the brightness up too high. No, if you know what you are doing. On this set, if you dont want light bleeding, you must keep brightness under 1. I am using -3 through -1 on most of my presets. With brightness that low, you have to boost up the static gamma pretty high. I have this wonderful jpg that helps to adjust brightness. It has the numbers 1234 in different shades of black with 1 being the darkest. I put brightness low so I get no light bleed then boost gamma till I can at least see the 2,3, and 4. I have this jpg on all my hdmi devices. The game mode is different though since some features are turned off by default. As far as lag goes, I have not noticed any at all. However, I will try Hot Shots on ps3 to see if there is any. Hot Shots is the ultimate lag tester.
post #51 of 191
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If you want jpg, just google: brightness.jpg. Then click on images. It will be on the first page and should be all black and have 1234 on it.
post #52 of 191
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I just got done having an online chat with Crutchfield and asked about the discrepancy between the Overview tab on which it claimed the set was Full array local dimming and the Hands on research tab that said Edge Lit. The CSR said twice that the set was full array. There is a pretty good back and forth going on at HTS. Robert's Toshiba contact re-affirmed that the 610U series would be around for the whole 2011 model year and that they in fact just received a container full of the three different sizes.

I honestly do not know what to think at this point...

well, Robert also said he is 100% sure UL610U is edge-lit.
post #53 of 191
Crutchfiled now has removed "Full Array Back-lit" from the overview description.
And has left the "edge-lit" description under hands-on research.

Under 65" model it still says Full Array, but its a matter of time until they edit that one too.

I guess edge-lit it is...
post #54 of 191
I suppose that could explain the lower cost compared to the other 65" LCD/LED's.
post #55 of 191
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Originally Posted by rx74ray View Post

Crutchfiled now has removed "Full Array Back-lit" from the overview description.
And has left the "edge-lit" description under hands-on research.

Under 65" model it still says Full Array, but its a matter of time until they edit that one too.

I guess edge-lit it is...

What is so bad about about edge lit with fine local dimming? Or is it that all specs said full array but now its not? I love my set and am not amused easily. If the picture str8 sucked, I would have been taken it back. To me, it is definitely an upgrade(keep in mind that I am replacing a full array LED) but I am sure it can not compete with the newer $2500 full array sets. But, for what I paid for 480Hz, 3D, and a BETTER picture, I could not see myself paying an extra grand for MAYBE just a tad bit better. Guess we can call it a budget tv. lol
post #56 of 191
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What is so bad about about edge lit with fine local dimming? Or is it that all specs said full array but now its not? I love my set and am not amused easily. If the picture str8 sucked, I would have been taken it back. To me, it is definitely an upgrade(keep in mind that I am replacing a full array LED) but I am sure it can not compete with the newer $2500 full array sets. But, for what I paid for 480Hz, 3D, and a BETTER picture, I could not see myself paying an extra grand for MAYBE just a tad bit better. Guess we can call it a budget tv. lol

There is nothing wrong with a well built edge-lit. But the reason that we are here (on this forum) is mostly cause we are darn picky.
I would have no problem with a 46" edge-lit. But I am looking into getting the 65". Let me just say that edge-lit + LARGE screen = nonuniform backlihting.
and that will not be good for home theater setup.
if you run those jpegs i posted maybe we can see the uniformity of the 46".
post #57 of 191
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There is nothing wrong with a well built edge-lit. But the reason that we are here (on this forum) is mostly cause we are darn picky.
I would have no problem with a 46" edge-lit. But I am looking into getting the 65". Let me just say that edge-lit + LARGE screen = nonuniform backlihting.
and that will not be good for home theater setup.
if you run those jpegs i posted maybe we can see the uniformity of the 46".

Got ya. I looked at all the jpegs. Anything I should be looking for? They look good to me. However, like I said with the white mouse on an all black background, you will def. see blooming reaching out to the edges. But all is still good so far.
post #58 of 191
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Originally Posted by allencc3 View Post

Got ya. I looked at all the jpegs. Anything I should be looking for? They look good to me. However, like I said with the white mouse on an all black background, you will def. see blooming reaching out to the edges. But all is still good so far.

"The blooming reaching out to the edges" is probably because TV turns off all zones but the one(s) where the mouse cursor is located. Since this is edge-lit tech the TV's illumination source (LEDs) are not behind the cursor, they are on the edges. So the TV keeps LEDs ON along the edges of TV frame where it aligns with the cursor.

How is this effect? Is the blooming uniform from the cursor to the edges or the edges are significantly brighter?

Also when you view my jpegs, in dark room, look around the edges and corners of screen for any clouding or flash lighting. For example when viewing the white circle with black background, look for any excess light pouring into the black sections, especially from the corners, and judge the overall uniformity.
Also make sure the Local Dimming is ON. I believe it's called "DynaLight".

Thank you
post #59 of 191
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Originally Posted by allencc3 View Post

Got ya. I looked at all the jpegs. Anything I should be looking for? They look good to me. However, like I said with the white mouse on an all black background, you will def. see blooming reaching out to the edges. But all is still good so far.

hello,

i'd like to know if you can do a input lag test with this method
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/focus.ph...&id=1229335064

That ll be great.

Thanks
post #60 of 191
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I actually don't have two monitors to test out the method. Have not played hot shots yet either. However it is interesting to see that toshiba has added this set back to the website.
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