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One aspect when you have someone this powerful that has been around for so long is that you get a interesting view of US History. The world changed alot between 30-70. And done right the story of one man can tell the story of many.

Good point.
post #92 of 102
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One aspect when you have someone this powerful that has been around for so long is that you get a interesting view of US History. The world changed alot between 30-70. And done right the story of one man can tell the story of many.

Not in this case, the movie concentrated on a handful of characters only, and the entire film was narrated from Hoover's POV, with only a handful of exceptions. The filmmakers wanted you to meet Hoover rather then give a societal or historical lesson or interpretation of his time.
post #93 of 102
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Not in this case, the movie concentrated on a handful of characters only, and the entire film was narrated from Hoover's POV, with only a handful of exceptions. The filmmakers wanted you to meet Hoover rather then give a societal or historical lesson or interpretation of his time.

I disagree. Sure this film is about Hoover but we learned a little about JFK, Nixon, MLK, FDR and many others in the process.

Art
post #94 of 102
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Originally Posted by Art Sonneborn View Post

I disagree. Sure this film is about Hoover but we learned a little about JFK, Nixon, MLK, FDR and many others in the process.

Art

Extremely little, those guys were merely a footnote and other then RFK and Nixon, nobody else was even portrayed on your "list". Hell, we learned more of Emma Goldman or his dislike of facial hair on his agent then the presidents he served under. And quiet frankly IMO that was Eastwood's intent all along to focus exclusively on Hoover on a rather personal way.
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Extremely little, those guys were merely a footnote and other then RFK and Nixon,

There is of course a limit in a 2 hour movie, how much you can show. But even a single scene of a character can give us an interesting view of that person. And even if its from Hoovers POV, it gives us a little piece of the puzzle.

Just like "The Kennedys" gave us pieces of Hoover, or "Ike: Countdown to D-Day" gave us a piece of Patton.
post #96 of 102
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Originally Posted by MovieSwede View Post

There is of course a limit in a 2 hour movie, how much you can show. But even a single scene of a character can give us an interesting view of that person. And even if its from Hoovers POV, it gives us a little piece of the puzzle.

Just like "The Kennedys" gave us pieces of Hoover, or "Ike: Countdown to D-Day" gave us a piece of Patton.

What puzzle? The movie is not about the times that Hoover lived through. It is about Hoover living through those times told from his POV.
post #97 of 102
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What puzzle? The movie is not about the times that Hoover lived through. It is about Hoover living through those times told from his POV.

Bacause POV is history. There is no universal truth. And the more POV we get of a person the clearer do the image get. Nothing is black and white.
post #98 of 102
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Bacause POV is history. There is no universal truth. And the more POV we get of a person the clearer do the image get. Nothing is black and white.

A POV can be skewed. It may not represent history at all. Just one persons view. And that person may have "issues" as Hoover did.
post #99 of 102
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A POV can be skewed. It may not represent history at all. Just one persons view. And that person may have "issues" as Hoover did.

I agree. If I understand the second part of MovieSwede’s post correctly, the more we see a particular persons POV, the more we understand where that person is coming from and therefore we know more about that person. I would agree with that as well. That doesn’t necessarily mean it’s reality, but their perception filtered through their belief system.

I don’t recall who it was that chastised Hoover, Tolson or someone else, but they were upset with him over his claim that he was the one who personally made certain arrests when that wasn’t the case. Hoover was embellishing the incidents to make himself look good. That particular incident wasn’t a POV, even though he wanted it to be perceived that way, that was an outright lie and Hoover knew it.
post #100 of 102
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Originally Posted by Aliens View Post

I agree. If I understand the second part of MovieSwede's post correctly, the more we see a particular persons POV.

Actually I wasnt that precise in my statement since I havnt watched the movie yet. But you certainly have a good point.

But in general, a good historian can extract usable information even from a lie. Because history is full of lies.
post #101 of 102
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Originally Posted by MovieSwede View Post

Actually I wasnt that precise in my statement since I havnt watched the movie yet.

That explains it, we're not talking about how history can be told from a POV in general, but rather if this film did just that, no it didn't nor was it it's intention.
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