Originally Posted by htwaits View Post
A brand new member with an interest in calibrations done by BB which competes with him, thats interesting.
It would be interesting to know what an ISF certification stands for other than spending time in a weekend course and getting a badge to prove that you are someone was there. As far as I know, ISF does not certify any defined level of competence. That doesn't mean that the don't. It just means that in the years I've spent here at AVS, I haven't encountered anything suggesting a minimum level of competence required to achieve ISF certification.
After reading all of kiltedscotsman posts, it seems that he joined us this month for the sole purpose of defending his competitors at "BB/Geek Squad".
For the record, I'm not necessarily *defending* anyone. I give them the benefit of the doubt because I also would like the same done to me. Also, I believe that as a community, infighting, name calling and slandering isn't professional. I'm not saying anyone here does it, just a general point. I have worked in sales and marketing for over 33 years, buildings often opposite direct competitors. I never, ever slagged off the competition to customers, vendors or suppliers. You never know whom you are talking to, and at the end of the day, for what?
Runnng 2 video game shops in the UK and had Virgin and another competitor on the same street within 200m, it was a tough market. But I knew everyone, they knew me, and I was never too proud to call up a competitor to see if they had X or Y game in stock as we were sold out, because the CUSTOMER comes first, and I knew they did the same for me, so it was a wash at the end of the day.
What does ISF stand for? Well, without the ISF itself here defending itself, lets put some perspective. When I did my level 1+2 course, and then the written and oral exam (more a grilling) from Bob Fucci the ISF chairman, you do get certified, if you pass the test. (If Bob isn't available, apparently you talk to Joel Silver)
Now, not sure what it was like for other people doing ISF, maybe it's changed over the years. But when I did it, Bob himself rings you up on his dime all they way from Florida, and talks to you for an hour, and essentially keeps asking you questions until HE thinks you are ready to go out and do it in peoples homes. I must have talked to him 5 or 6 times, boy he sure is thorough.
You're right: " ISF does not certify any defined level of competence." It doesn't. In the same way that passing a driving test makes may or may not make you a good driver. The ISF teaches you how to drive. If you learn to drive, but you are still a lousy driver, that's the drivers, fault, not the examiner. Much in the same way that one can learn to drive and become a championship rally driver, you can also learn to drive and forget how to paralleled park.
True, it's no secret that the THX course concentrates more on consumer education, but then again, it's a $1600 (I originally put 5k, not sure why I thought it was that much haha but I was wrong so...) odd course in a city you usually can't get to. The ISF course is cheaper. Does that make it 'worse'? I don't think so.
To me, getting to talk to Bob Fucci (he really is a lovely guy to talk to) was an honour. The passion the man has for his trade is evident.
Maybe people could ask the ISF themselves, but I believe it isn't the ISF's job to police the 'drivers' it teaches. To expect it to do so I think is rather unfair. If one falls into bad calibration habits after getting ISF certified, blame oneself, not the teacher.
"A bad workman blames his tools."
*edit* Forgot to answer all of htwaits points. "Tired, my brain is."