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post #31 of 138
Yes, these delayed releases for Bluray 3D suck...

Although it sounds like it may release via Best Buy, we still had to wait for the Transformers 3D release because it was held back also - apparently to try to generate some "double-dipping" from BD 3D format supporters.

I think it just a bad practice - and NOT a reward for supporting and buying into the format - more of a middle finger approach.

I let my feelings be known here... http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1365156
post #32 of 138
Deathly Hallows 1 will be a double dip for me. If they wanted me to double dip on Transformers, they shouldn't have announced the 3D version alongside the 2D.

I would rather see them announce both at the same time (with a two month delay for the 3D) than release bare bones 3D and then a special edition 3D with bonus features after I bought the first release already.

When they give you the info up front before anything is released, as they did here and with Avatar, I appreciate having the ability to make an informed decision and wait a bit longer for the best purchase so I don't waste my money and buy twice. If somebody buys Transformers twice, it's their own choice--the studio was very clear and up front about the release schedule. 2D in September, 3D by the end of the year (December).
post #33 of 138
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Originally Posted by rdjam View Post

Yes, these delayed releases for Bluray 3D suck...

Although it sounds like it may release via Best Buy, we still had to wait for the Transformers 3D release because it was held back also - apparently to try to generate some "double-dipping" from BD 3D format supporters.

I think it just a bad practice - and NOT a reward for supporting and buying into the format - more of a middle finger approach.

I let my feelings be known here... http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1365156

Considering the blu-ray for Transformers came out THREE months(!) after its theatrical release, I'm not too sad that it's taking a little (well, hopefully it's just "a little") extra time for the 3d blu-ray.
post #34 of 138
Nope - not acceptable.

To delay the release of the 3D version, in an attempt to get a 3D supporter to buy both the 2D version as well the 3D version, is sheer greed, and spitting in the face of supporters...
post #35 of 138
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Originally Posted by rdjam View Post

Nope - not acceptable.

To delay the release of the 3D version, in an attempt to get a 3D supporter to buy both the 2D version as well the 3D version, is sheer greed, and spitting in the face of supporters...

Yes. It truly is a shame we don't have a place or a process where we don't actually have to BUY a movie we want to see, and instead we just take or borrow a copy of the movie on a loan of sorts and then give it back later... all for a nominal fee. That way, if we were holding out to buy a version to be released later AND wanted to see the blu-ray that was out right now, we wouldn't have to buy it twice or wait to see it.
post #36 of 138
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Originally Posted by javanpohl View Post

Yes. It truly is a shame we don't have a place or a process where we don't actually have to BUY a movie we want to see, and instead we just take or borrow a copy of the movie on a loan of sorts and then give it back later... all for a nominal fee. That way, if we were holding out to buy a version to be released later AND wanted to see the blu-ray that was out right now, we wouldn't have to buy it twice or wait to see it.

Not sure if that was to be funny, but it wasn't.

I've made no point about not wanting to BUY the film, but it being made available in the premium Bluray format that I was encouraged to buy.

Thats like saying that Bluray users should be HAPPY that they can buy or rent the DVD version of a film until a Bluray version is released 3 months later...

It's a false argument. And if they tried the above example, they would hear from owners in no uncertain terms.

To hold out on releasing the premium format to get suckers to buy the lesser format, and go for a double sale on the premium format later is a sucker punch and will cause those who have bought in, or are considering to buy in to reject the format.

For you to argue that the practice is Ok is odd - since a Bluray 3D owner waiting for these titles would hardly argue the studios corner on this one.
post #37 of 138
You should make that the focus of Occupy Wall St.
post #38 of 138
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Originally Posted by javanpohl View Post

You should make that the focus of Occupy Wall St.

Not funny, either, I'm afraid. One has nothing to do with the other. Nor am I a crackpot, if that is your inference.
post #39 of 138
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Not funny, either, I'm afraid. One has nothing to do with the other. Nor am I a crackpot, if that is your inference.

I feel like you keep turning serious issues into jokes.
post #40 of 138
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Originally Posted by javanpohl View Post

I feel like you keep turning serious issues into jokes.

Odd that you would say that - since YOU are the one that says you don't consider this a serious issue, and try to make unfunny jokes about those whose opinion you don't agree with...
post #41 of 138
I am a 3d blu ray owner and love it. I now have about 20 titles in my collection. I am hanging out for Transformers 3 3D and Deathly Hallows Pt 1 & 2. Do I care if I have to wait a little longer for them to be released on 3d? No, I couldn't care less. Am I going to by the 2d versions because they will be out first? Definitely not! Why is it so important that both versions be released at the same time? I do not get it. I know there are those of you that find this distressing, but move on - surely there are more important things for you to be concerned about. If you are that desperate to watch it in 3d then buy the 2d version and use your "3D Bee" that you have been raving about to convert it to 3d!
post #42 of 138
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Originally Posted by ajleske View Post

I am a 3d blu ray owner and love it. I now have about 20 titles in my collection. I am hanging out for Transformers 3 3D and Deathly Hallows Pt 1 & 2. Do I care if I have to wait a little longer for them to be released on 3d? No, I couldn't care less. Am I going to by the 2d versions because they will be out first? Definitely not! Why is it so important that both versions be released at the same time? I do not get it. I know there are those of you that find this distressing, but move on - surely there are more important things for you to be concerned about. If you are that desperate to watch it in 3d then buy the 2d version and use your "3D Bee" that you have been raving about to convert it to 3d!

I'm glad that you don't care but others (such as me) do.

If a 3D theater feature is released, it should be released on all formats at the same time, including BD 3D, which is the most expensive format of all.

So, DVD, Bluray, Apple TV, etc etc etc ...AND Bluray 3D.

To hold it back just to try to squeeze a few extra sales of the 2D version is just wrong, and thats why I am posting.

And, naturally, as good as the 3D Bee is for realtime conversion to 3D, it cannot equal a true Bluray 3D presentation and is not a substitute when the BD 3D release is clearly out there somewhere.

I'm not mad at you for your opinion, so don't be mad at me for mine.

It's like that series of ads "for new customers only" where they say that "even kids no it wrong to treat new friends differently" and they spoof all the trickery by banks etc - like the kid who gets the toy pony cos' he's already a customer, and the new kid gets the real live pony - lol
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post #44 of 138
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Originally Posted by rdjam View Post

I'm glad that you don't care but others (such as me) do.

If a 3D theater feature is released, it should be released on all formats at the same time, including BD 3D, which is the most expensive format of all.

You seem dead-set that this is merely a case to spit on people. But, considering that the blu-ray (for Transformers 3) only took three months to hit shelves, why don't you think the 3d, special features edition is taking longer merely because it takes time to prepare the 3d version and special features? And, regardless of whether or not you think that is the case here, let's assume it is or can be true at least for other releases--do you think, in that case, that the studios should hold off on releasing any and all versions until all versions are ready to distribute? Couldn't that be a spit-loaded slap in the face to people who don't care about the 3d version or special features?
post #45 of 138
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Originally Posted by javanpohl View Post

You seem dead-set that this is merely a case to spit on people. But, considering that the blu-ray (for Transformers 3) only took three months to hit shelves, why don't you think the 3d, special features edition is taking longer merely because it takes time to prepare the 3d version and special features? And, regardless of whether or not you think that is the case here, let's assume it is or can be true at least for other releases--do you think, in that case, that the studios should hold off on releasing any and all versions until all versions are ready to distribute? Couldn't that be a spit-loaded slap in the face to people who don't care about the 3d version or special features?

...except that the early contention of those here who say the practice is ok, was that it was an acceptable practice to encourage double-dipping. If you'll notice, that's what I'm objecting to.. As well as the exclusivity agreements that end up locking out buyers who already own the hardware...
post #46 of 138
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Originally Posted by rdjam View Post

...except that the early contention of those here who say the practice is ok, was that it was an acceptable practice to encourage double-dipping. If you'll notice, that's what I'm objecting to..

So you're objecting to other people's opinion on the matter?

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As well as the exclusivity agreements that end up locking out buyers who already own the hardware...

NO ONE is fine with that. If you've had someone say they're fine with that practice, take it out on them. But, then again, that's their opinion.

... by the way, you totally side-swiped my question.
post #47 of 138
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Originally Posted by javanpohl View Post

So you're objecting to other people's opinion on the matter?

Yes, and showing that one can have a different opinion without making it a personal discussion

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NO ONE is fine with that. If you've had someone say they're fine with that practice, take it out on them. But, then again, that's their opinion.

..then we are at least half in agreement then

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... by the way, you totally side-swiped my question.

..because it seemed like a rhetorical question. No one is saying that all versions should be held back for any additional period, certainly not me. The holding back is what is pissing me off, so it is not a valid argument to suggest that that is what I am suggesting. But there is no reason the 3D Bluray of Transformers could not have been ready for the same release date. If they wanted to do a special director's release, then that would have been a perfect extra release later, with both 2D and 3D versions in the box...
post #48 of 138
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Originally Posted by rdjam View Post

But there is no reason the 3D Bluray of Transformers could not have been ready for the same release date.

Do you know that for certain or is that just speculation? I ask seriously because I don't know that it takes longer to author and master a 3d blu-ray, but I could see how it would. Some solid info on the matter would be welcome.

However, this delaying thing and releasing it with the special features has a benefit for some of us--there should be a ton of people buying it for the special features and selling off their 3d disc for cheap.
post #49 of 138
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Originally Posted by rdjam View Post

Nope - not acceptable.

To delay the release of the 3D version, in an attempt to get a 3D supporter to buy both the 2D version as well the 3D version, is sheer greed, and spitting in the face of supporters...

How is it spitting in the face of supporters when you can actually make money off of double dipping in the case of Transformers?
post #50 of 138
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Originally Posted by ChldsPlay View Post

How is it spitting in the face of supporters when you can actually make money off of double dipping in the case of Transformers?

How so? You mean the buyer making money, or the studio?
post #51 of 138
I just got an email from Best Buy today that they have the exclusivity on Deathly Hallows Parts 1 and 2 for pre order.
post #52 of 138
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Originally Posted by eviltwincustoms View Post

I just got an email from Best Buy today that they have the exclusivity on Deathly Hallows Parts 1 and 2 for pre order.

It was in the Sunday ad also.
post #53 of 138
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Originally Posted by DenisG View Post

It was in the Sunday ad also.

I saw this and was pleasantly surprised. Day 1 purchase!!!
post #54 of 138
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Originally Posted by rdjam View Post

How so? You mean the buyer making money, or the studio?

Dude, I don't know the particulars of your life and don't want to know but you have got to lighten up. If this is the biggest issue you are dealing with, I'd say life is pretty good for you...and yes, you do sound like you should be at an "occupy WS" sit in or sit down or whatever it is they are doing.
post #55 of 138
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Originally Posted by Rach View Post

I saw this and was pleasantly surprised. Day 1 purchase!!!

Me too - happy to hear that.
post #56 of 138
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Originally Posted by Rach View Post

Dude, I don't know the particulars of your life and don't want to know but you have got to lighten up. If this is the biggest issue you are dealing with, I'd say life is pretty good for you...and yes, you do sound like you should be at an "occupy WS" sit in or sit down or whatever it is they are doing.

Certainly not the biggest issue I have to worry about, but I'm not shy about making my feeling known about the practice.

If all you've got are personal slights, then you're probably better off tuning out the discussion and going to a different thread.
post #57 of 138
So is anyone else concerned that the 3D in Part 1 and 2 may actually detract from the experience? I've read some reviews of the theatrical Part 2 3D presentation, and they aren't too kind. Certainly there are quite a few scenes that happen at night, so they can be pretty dim, but that seems to be just the tip of the iceberg in terms of (potentially) negative issues.
post #58 of 138
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Originally Posted by rdjam View Post

How so? You mean the buyer making money, or the studio?

The buyer. Someone should be able to get at least $10 selling the bare bones version, then there's the $10 coupon inside for the 3D edition. Now that already more than pays for the purchase of the bare bones. Plus there are other coupons/rebates ($5 for a TF toy, hostess rebate, battery rebate) that can recoup even more money. Plus for those who get discounts at certain stores (via employee discount or through credit card, or both) they can get it cheaper increasing their savings/profit.
post #59 of 138
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Originally Posted by rdjam View Post

Certainly not the biggest issue I have to worry about, but I'm not shy about making my feeling known about the practice.

If all you've got are personal slights, then you're probably better off tuning out the discussion and going to a different thread.

Not going to "tune out" but thanks for asking. I only mention the "occupy" because someone else did earlier. I guess I get tired of 59 posts about greedy corporations, etc. If you don't like it, don't buy it. It's that simple. The free market works and if companies make tragic mistakes, they will suffer loss of profit...which eventually puts them out of business. This stuff used to be taught in school. I guess not anymore...at least not in public schools. Buy or don't buy. Fine. Leave it at that.
post #60 of 138
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Originally Posted by Steve Tack View Post

So is anyone else concerned that the 3D in Part 1 and 2 may actually detract from the experience? I've read some reviews of the theatrical Part 2 3D presentation, and they aren't too kind. Certainly there are quite a few scenes that happen at night, so they can be pretty dim, but that seems to be just the tip of the iceberg in terms of (potentially) negative issues.

I have no desire to get the first one in 3d. Maybe if it was shot in 3d, but it's just a conversion. Actually, no, I take that back--I just remembered how dreadfully boring it is.

I saw the 2nd in 3d and liked it enough to give it a go on blu-ray.
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