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post #1 of 41
9/23/11 at 3:51am
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Got it... thx
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post #2 of 41
9/23/11 at 5:59am
Given that it's probably highly illegal to make a bootleg disc of clips and then sell it for profit I don't think you're going to get much mileage on this one.

"Hey, this stolen tv I bought doesn't work!"

"Call a cop, this cocaine is actually powdered sugar!"

Before I get the "those aren't the same thing" speech, I'm not equating copyright infringement to the crimes above. It just struck me odd that someone was publically complaining about the quality of his illegal purchase.
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post #3 of 41
9/23/11 at 6:03am
Nor will you get far calling somebody out in a public thread. Perhaps a search & PM is the way to go?
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post #4 of 41
9/23/11 at 9:55am
I have both discs (1 & 2) from the same source and he did a good job. It is just a demo disc and this has been done thru a group on the AVS forum http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=575236.
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post #5 of 41
9/23/11 at 11:09am
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Who is the member that sells this thing. I recently bought a copy from him and it arrived in a cheap disc case and with no label. He clearly just took my $52 large and took 5 mins to make a copy with no effort to make the case or label. My friend bought one from another member for $22 bucks and it arrived in an actual bluray case with label and a label on the disc. If you know who this guy is (on AVS) please let me know. All I have is his paypal addy. Thx

If you would do a little search you'll find it very easily. Nonetheless, the effort is not on making a copy of the disc or the label or the cover... which he did! but would be up to you to put it on a nice finished case with a printed label (disc) if you so want.

It is very clear that you have no idea what it takes to put together one of these discs. The authoring is done with professional software that requires many hours to master just to a basic understanding of it. The menus are created from scratch, not pre-made or templates to follow. The authoring on something like this, just to make it to disc form takes two to three hours. The copying of just one disc takes at least an hour.

If you account for creating time, production time, authoring time and final product... the price is very reasonable.

Now if you want a nice cover and a label for your disc is THERE for you to do... if you so choose.
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post #6 of 41
9/23/11 at 11:28am
Really...did the disk work good. You also had the option to download it for free if you wanted to. I bought a burner for it for $180 and I couldn't be happier. If you want a cover just go ahead and download it and print it up yourself.
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post #7 of 41
9/23/11 at 12:03pm
Actually, I guarantee you there was probably a few hundred hours put into making that thing start to finish. From sourcing, ripping, and trimming tracks to the BD authoring process. It's no small feat.
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post #8 of 41
9/23/11 at 6:55pm
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Originally Posted by cneely8 View Post

Given that it's probably highly illegal to make a bootleg disc of clips and then sell it for profit I don't think you're going to get much mileage on this one.

"Hey, this stolen tv I bought doesn't work!"

"Call a cop, this cocaine is actually powdered sugar!"

Before I get the "those aren't the same thing" speech, I'm not equating copyright infringement to the crimes above. It just struck me odd that someone was publically complaining about the quality of his illegal purchase.

hahahaha...
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post #9 of 41
9/23/11 at 6:56pm
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Originally Posted by _Avarice_ View Post

Nor will you get far calling somebody out in a public thread. Perhaps a search & PM is the way to go?

...and thats why I asked for his AVS name... so I can PM him.
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post #10 of 41
9/23/11 at 7:01pm
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Originally Posted by BiGBADDABOOM View Post

Actually, I guarantee you there was probably a few hundred hours put into making that thing start to finish. From sourcing, ripping, and trimming tracks to the BD authoring process. It's no small feat.

I agree and Im not saying the disc doesn't work. Now if I could contact him or find his website again I could see if I missed something. But that brings me back to thie question.... what is his AVS tag?
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post #11 of 41
9/23/11 at 7:02pm
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Originally Posted by Mpray1983 View Post

Really...did the disk work good. You also had the option to download it for free if you wanted to. I bought a burner for it for $180 and I couldn't be happier. If you want a cover just go ahead and download it and print it up yourself.

Can you link me his website? I can't find it for some reason. Thx
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post #12 of 41
9/23/11 at 7:04pm
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Originally Posted by superleo View Post

If you would do a little search you'll find it very easily. Nonetheless, the effort is not on making a copy of the disc or the label or the cover... which he did! but would be up to you to put it on a nice finished case with a printed label (disc) if you so want.

It is very clear that you have no idea what it takes to put together one of these discs. The authoring is done with professional software that requires many hours to master just to a basic understanding of it. The menus are created from scratch, not pre-made or templates to follow. The authoring on something like this, just to make it to disc form takes two to three hours. The copying of just one disc takes at least an hour.

If you account for creating time, production time, authoring time and final product... the price is very reasonable.

Now if you want a nice cover and a label for your disc is THERE for you to do... if you so choose.

... hmmm if only I had a link to his website instead of your explanation hmmm
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post #13 of 41
9/24/11 at 7:03am
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... hmmm if only I had a link to his website instead of your explanation hmmm

If you've read and follow the thread where this started you would know, and he clearly says that the disc does not come with a case or label, he has cover art and a label available for any one that wants to download it and print it out. If you go to the original thread... all the information you are looking for is there. Whoever gave you the information on the disc, that missed telling you that the disc would come with out a nice cover and label, is the one you should be complaining to, not the guy that made the disc.
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post #14 of 41
9/24/11 at 7:39am
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Originally Posted by superleo View Post

if you've read and follow the thread where this started you would know, and he clearly says that the disc does not come with a case or label, he has cover art and a label available for any one that wants to download it and print it out. If you go to the original thread... All the information you are looking for is there. Whoever gave you the information on the disc, that missed telling you that the disc would come with out a nice cover and label, is the one you should be complaining to, not the guy that made the disc.

+1. Its funny cause your thread title is similar to his.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1283375

You got everything he promised which is to say a disk with no printed cover, no printed case, no label. You are paying 52$ for his time in authoring the disc which he claims is several hundred hours. It also covers the 5 or 10 dollar cost of the media, the hour to burn it, the shipping cost and trip to the post office. He supplies the disk and cover art in the thread for free download and has mentioned multiple times he does not include these prints in disk cost. The software to professionally author a disc like this also costs thousands. He sells a copy or he also let's people download for it for free if they prefer to burn it themselves. He has made it clear he isn't after money and would prefer everyone just downloaded it instead. But he provided a purchase option to order for those not computer savy (or search savy) enough to help themselves.

The disk is a singular reference disc and I know of no better disc on the market. The clips are avsforum community chosen and you won't get much agreement in bad mouthing this member. Enjoy your brilliant disc and print your own cover and label! You got everything promised in the agreement you didn't apparently read.
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post #15 of 41
9/24/11 at 8:18am
where's the link to acquire this disc I want to "download" it
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post #16 of 41
9/24/11 at 8:39am
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+1. Its funny cause your thread title is similar to his.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1283375

You got everything he promised which is to say a disk with no printed cover, no printed case, no label. You are paying 52$ for his time in authoring the disc which he claims is several hundred hours. It also covers the 5 or 10 dollar cost of the media, the hour to burn it, the shipping cost and trip to the post office. He supplies the disk and cover art in the thread for free download and has mentioned multiple times he does not include these prints in disk cost. The software to professionally author a disc like this also costs thousands. He sells a copy or he also let's people download for it for free if they prefer to burn it themselves. He has made it clear he isn't after money and would prefer everyone just downloaded it instead. But he provided a purchase option to order for those not computer savy (or search savy) enough to help themselves.

The disk is a singular reference disc and I know of no better disc on the market. The clips are avsforum community chosen and you won't get much agreement in bad mouthing this member. Enjoy your brilliant disc and print your own cover and label! You got everything promised in the agreement you didn't apparently read.

After bad mouthing eD and now this...
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post #17 of 41
9/24/11 at 9:38am
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...and thats why I asked for his AVS name... so I can PM him.

The other half of that equation was search.
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post #18 of 41
9/24/11 at 9:41am
You even posted in the thread a few times: link to irony
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post #19 of 41
9/24/11 at 10:57am
I feel compelled to reply to this off topic post.

It's genuinely distasteful that one makes a profit from another's work.
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post #20 of 41
9/24/11 at 12:54pm
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Originally Posted by _Avarice_ View Post

You even posted in the thread a few times: link to irony

Thx lol
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post #21 of 41
9/24/11 at 12:58pm
Archaea gave you the link six posts ago. Same thread.
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post #22 of 41
9/24/11 at 1:01pm
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I feel compelled to reply to this off topic post.

It's genuinely distasteful that one makes a profit from another's work.



Sales people? Middlemen? Pretty much any business conduit?
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post #23 of 41
9/24/11 at 1:16pm
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Would anyone pay $52 for a menu and no other content? I didn't see anything else listed on the site that the seller owned.
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post #24 of 41
9/24/11 at 6:39pm
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After bad mouthing eD and now this...


????? bad mouthing? You mean, STILL waiting for money to be returned?
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post #25 of 41
9/24/11 at 8:07pm
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????? bad mouthing? You mean, STILL waiting for money to be returned?

I'm just saying that public bashing doesn't get much accomplished besides angering parties on both sides. Steve (demo disk author) didn't do anything besides provide exactly what he said he was going to provide. This information could have been found with a quick search rather than making a whole new thread stating problems that don't exist.
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post #26 of 41
9/24/11 at 8:41pm
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Originally Posted by citizen arcane View Post

Would anyone pay $52 for a menu and no other content? I didn't see anything else listed on the site that the seller owned.

Sure, it is the money that puts it on shaky legal ground. If it were offered for free, or strictly materials and shipping cost, then, depending on clip length, it all may very well fall within the bounds of fair use.
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post #27 of 41
9/25/11 at 2:25am
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Originally Posted by vraxoin View Post

Sure, it is the money that puts it on shaky legal ground. If it were offered for free, or strictly materials and shipping cost, then, depending on clip length, it all may very well fall within the bounds of fair use.

Money doesnt really matter. It's illegal to make the copy.... so a free or charged download would make the person downloading the criminal. Free or charged for disc sent through the mail makes the person who made the copy a criminal and perhaps the person recieving the item acriminal as well. So great we are all criminals.......
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post #28 of 41
9/25/11 at 2:27am
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Originally Posted by Mpray1983 View Post

I'm just saying that public bashing doesn't get much accomplished besides angering parties on both sides. Steve (demo disk author) didn't do anything besides provide exactly what he said he was going to provide. This information could have been found with a quick search rather than making a whole new thread stating problems that don't exist.

wait... were you talking to me mpray1983? I thought you were talking to someone else because you quoted them. eD is a different subject. Keep that on the eD thread. I will be more than happy to discuss it there.
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post #29 of 41
9/25/11 at 9:09am
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Originally Posted by Liquid$team View Post

Money doesnt really matter. It's illegal to make the copy.... so a free or charged download would make the person downloading the criminal.

That's not accurate. Fair use is determined in court by weighing the four factors, which does take into account whether money is made or not. However, the initial creator of this disc--and those who share it online--would likely not want to fight the deep pockets of the content industries if they sought maximum damages (it probably wouldn't be a criminal suit for something like this) unless they want to sell all their audio equipment, their houses, their cars, and generally be in debt for the next twenty years just to see if a judge would determine in their favor

No. IANAL, but I've done tons of research on fair use.
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post #30 of 41
9/25/11 at 10:39am
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

That's not accurate. Fair use is determined in court by weighing the four factors, which does take into account whether money is made or not. However, the initial creator of this disc--and those who share it online--would likely not want to fight the deep pockets of the content industries if they sought maximum damages (it probably wouldn't be a criminal suit for something like this) unless they want to sell all their audio equipment, their houses, their cars, and generally be in debt for the next twenty years just to see if a judge would determine in their favor

No. IANAL, but I've done tons of research on fair use.


It is accurate. What you brought up was subjective decision.
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