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post #61 of 128
I am loving the communications and consistent improvements. You are making me want one for home and to start using it for work. I would also like to see an indept comparison to the control4. I expect the requirements for creating your own macros due to TS still being new. That doesn't bother me as much, since it is a must to get even the 1100 to the sweet spot.
post #62 of 128
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I am loving the communications and consistent improvements.

The changes just keep coming. With the latest update, they fixed an issue I had when re-editing buttons that was getting me a bit frustrated. So now it's working exactly as I had hoped.

They also improved their channel icon library with (IMO) much better graphics. They also incorporated another one of my suggestions...which put a tiny feather in my cap!

Click here to see the update thread over at the TSR Forums where I show the improvements made to the Favorites screen...I've also posted the pix below. Please note the "before" icons for ABC-HD and CBS-HD were my own (not-so) handywork...

BEFORE v1.86:



AFTER v1.86:

post #63 of 128
With every update, I want it more and more.
post #64 of 128
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With every update, I want it more and more.

So watcha waiting for?
post #65 of 128
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So watcha waiting for?

I have to move my in-wall cabling to the other wall and settle on the new furniture...promise to DW. I hope to be cleared by the Doc soon (recovering from a recent surgery) so I can start the work and plan out the purchases.
post #66 of 128
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^^ Good luck with your post-surgery efforts...and your upcoming wall surgery!

I'm more impressed with this remote every time I use and tweak it - I would think you'd like it quite a bit. With the supposed ability to do macros at more that just the "Starting Activities" level (per a comment on the TSR Forum), that will make this remote that much more powerful.
post #67 of 128
I have shared word of this remote to a lot of people. Some have already placed orders. One is testing the Android application on his tablet today. It will be good to have some local people to share the experience with.
post #68 of 128
I am trying the demo on my android phone and my Samsung 7" tablet. Seems to work pretty well. For the cost it seems like the way to go. The response is way better than I was expecting.
post #69 of 128
I have a WIFI2IR running the Touchsquid. My 2 televisions upstairs are 40 and 60 feet away and have an extra coax cable. If I used a coax to 3.5mm adapter, 3.5mm F-F coupler, and extended the ir out run, should this work?

Would I need some sort of block to make it work, or could I just split the signal with a headphone splitter?
post #70 of 128
Wow, that is a hell of a run ! I'll be honest I have don't have an answer for you BUT, you may want to contact the Global Cache People and ask them how best to do a run like that. I would think using CAT5 cable might work a little better if that is an option.

-R
post #71 of 128
If you have a WIFI2IR, why use the coax? If you need to go to two locations far apart, then get another WIFI2IR. Maybe I'm not understanding your situation.
post #72 of 128
I already have the coax ran, and it's just to control my upstairs tvs that are matrixed. I have a 4-way blaster for the theater components that works well. If I were to split or use the other outs then I could power off the living room tv or master bed tv if one were left on.

It would be like 90% cheaper for a few adapters. I may just try it to see what happens.
post #73 of 128
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If you have a WIFI2IR, why use the coax? If you need to go to two locations far apart, then get another WIFI2IR. Maybe I'm not understanding your situation.

OK, I hope this is not going to be a stupid question, but here goes...

We have a wireless router on the main level of the house that's connected to the Comcast cable modem. This is the wireless router that the TSR uses for doing its thing, and for the house in general. The TSR is currently used on the main level AV system of the house (all gear via IR), so not too worried about a bad connection. The wireless signal in the basement is good, but could be stronger as I've had erratic performance in the past when using a laptop.

But, I'd like to regularly use the TSR (or eventual second unit) in the basement media room, currently controlled by a Harmony 1100. All that AV gear is operated via IR except for the Lutron Maestro IR dimmers which are controlled via the Harmony RF wireless blaster. What I would like to do is move all the AV gear either into an adjacent storage closet or behind the seating area, so I guess I could buy the GC WF2IR device and use this via the wireless router upstairs. The GC device would be in the same rack as the basement AV gear, with the IR emitters.

Now for the stupid question:

Could I just buy a second wireless router for downstairs, not have it connected to the internet, and just use it as a means to get signals from the TSR to the GC device? Or will the second wireless router find/connect to the main wireless router upstairs automatically, which will sorta help "boost" the wireless signal so that's it stronger now in the basement?

My thoughts for adding a second wireless router is to have that much more of a robust connection due to the shorter distance the wireless signals must travel. I'm not that knowledgeable with networking beyond just the basics, so forgive me if this is a stupid question. If I really, really wanted to, I could run 75'-100' of Cat 6 cable from the main level modem/router, thru the garage, down thru the furnace/water heater platform, and pop out into that basement storage closet I mentioned above.

Thanks for not laughing too loud at my stupid question! Any thoughts would be appreciated...

EDIT: Or would the TSR communicate directly with the GC device, without needing a wireless router?
post #74 of 128
What you are looking for is a bridge/extender for your network. This would extend the range to the basement BUT if it is that inconsistent you could wire another router in and get a more solid and consistent wifi in the basement.

With the iTach it comes set up as an adhoc network and that is what you connect to, if your tablet allows connection to that type of network then you wouldn't NEED a router unless you wanted Internet access. I don't thing the iTach is limited when its connected via the adhoc.

-R
post #75 of 128
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What you are looking for is a bridge/extender for your network. This would extend the range to the basement BUT if it is that inconsistent you could wire another router in and get a more solid and consistent wifi in the basement.

With the iTach it comes set up as an adhoc network and that is what you connect to, if your tablet allows connection to that type of network then you wouldn't NEED a router unless you wanted Internet access. I don't thing the iTach is limited when its connected via the adhoc.

-R

The bridge/extender seems like a great suggestion as I don't necessarily need internet access on the TSR for the basement system. This system is used a few times/week primarily for movie watching since that system has the much better TV and surround system than the upstairs family room.

But maybe it would be worth the trouble to just hard-wire something from the router on the main floor down to the basement storage closet...
post #76 of 128
The Extender is most ideal for your situation along with the Global Cache device. You will still have access to your network and will provide access to the internet for those once in a while needs. Of course hard-wiring a backbone line to the basement is the best and most efficient way to do any connection where possible. Doing this and adding the WIFI extenders to each floor will eliminate any and possibly all dead spots. I recently rewired my whole home with RG6 and CAT6a cabling for TV, internet (LAN/WiFi) and phone. It was such a great improvement. I now get WiFi everywhere and have LAN connections for every streaming device today and future. I plan on using the TSR for my main theater, MBR and Gym. So I have already priced the GC devices, because as of this past week while DW and I were out window shopping to line up our purchases, I found out that I may have to hide my devices. Of course if you can't do a hardwire to the basement, then buying another WiFi router and setting your TSR to "remember" that 2nd network will work, but can be cumbersome if it detects both at the same time. Then you will have to do extra steps to chose the correct network. This can be cumbersome at times. If you need more help with this, then just let me (us) know. Along with being an AV engineer, I'm also a Network Engineer and love to help where I can. You guys have helped me a lot too.
post #77 of 128
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I already have the coax ran, and it's just to control my upstairs tvs that are matrixed. I have a 4-way blaster for the theater components that works well. If I were to split or use the other outs then I could power off the living room tv or master bed tv if one were left on.

It would be like 90% cheaper for a few adapters. I may just try it to see what happens.

If anyone cared.....the 60ft over coax worked just fine. For the cost this set up with Touch Squid is awesome.
post #78 of 128
^^Good to hear.

My wife decided to buy me a Transformer Prime (64GB) tablet, so I will load up the TouchSquid App on it as soon as it arrives. I have been out buying my accessories. Now I have to get my GC device so I can start playing. I'm so excited. Later when I have all of my new AV devices, then I will purchase the TS Remote tablet.
post #79 of 128
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I'm trying to find time to post my review and overall experience using the TSR, but can't seem to find time to finish it up. Hopefully I can get something thorough posted up sometime this weekend...

In the meantime though, I will say I've been using it regularly and making tweaks to improve the efficiency. A few screenshots are below (pardon the PQ, I need to download a screenshot app soon!), and I love the ability to add my own icons to the Favorites screens, such as the radio station logos for the tuner presets on the AV receiver...

This picture shows one page of Favorites, primarily for watching TV. The brown buttons on the lower right are just a few to operate the STB, and two website shortcuts are shown at the bottom left:



^^ Note that some of the channel icons were done by Squareeyes, of the famed Harmony icons website. He is working with Touchsquid to create a database of icons. Compared to the resolution of the Harmony screen's icons, the razor-sharp TSR icons are miles ahead - they really look fantastic! My picture does not do them justice...

This next picture shows the Favorites screen I change to during the Listen to Radio activity - eight radio station icons for the presets, lower left buttons are in-process, and two website buttons to a couple of my faves:



^^ This buttons layout is still a work-in-progress, but at least you have a general idea of the TSR custom button capabilities.

I'm also using a Global Cache WF2IR device to control the system via the wireless network. I have a separate profile on the TSR for this (copied from the all-IR profile), and so far seems to work great, except at times the receiver stops accepting commands but that might be due to user error by adding too many devices...

I also bought a Kindle Fire, downloaded the TSR app to it, and simply copied the GC'd Profile from the TSR onto the Fire and...BAM! Worked from the start, without all the programming fuss. Pretty damn easy to backup your profiles and copy to other devices running the TSR app...

I'm quite impressed with how the TSR app operates. But to be clear, I have no other experience with other tablet/remote apps such as iRule, Digit, etc. But coming from years of Harmony remotes, the TSR is exactly what I've been craving.

More to come!
post #80 of 128
How large is the tsr? Their website states specifications including a 7 inch screen but does not state the overall dimensions. Is it about the same size as the kindle fire?
I'm very interested in the tsr but am not sure I like the form factor. I'd prefer a more traditional one hand remote but besides that the tsr sounds like it is what I want.
post #81 of 128
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How large is the tsr? Their website states specifications including a 7 inch screen but does not state the overall dimensions. Is it about the same size as the kindle fire?
I'm very interested in the tsr but am not sure I like the form factor. I'd prefer a more traditional one hand remote but besides that the tsr sounds like it is what I want.

I measure it about 7-1/8" wide, 5-1/8" tall, 9/16" thick. It does have a nice feel to it, esp. with the rubberized back which makes it easy to grip. Below are a few comparison pix between the TSR and the Kindle...and the Samsung Galaxy Tab 8.9:

TSR on left, Kindle on right:


Backs of TSR (top) and Kindle:


TSR (left) and Kindle thickness difference:


TSR (top), Kindle (middle), and larger Samsung Tab:


TSR (left) and Samsung thickness difference:


The difference in thickness is noticeable. The TSR has the squared-off sides which makes it easy to pick up with one hand, esp. if lying flat on large surface. The Kindle, while not as thick, is also easy to pick up. The Samsung Tab is too big to reach the edges, so need both hands if its lying down. But if its sitting on arm of couch/chair and overhanging a bit, then not an issue. The slighted rounded back corners of the Samsung feels the best when holding it during use.

The TSR "feels" the bulkiest of all three, but it's not bulky by any means. I'm only comparing the tablets I have in front of me. The TSR does have a nice heft to it, so I don't feel like I could break it very easily. The Samsung feels the fastest (and lightest) of the three, but that's probably just the difference in processors. I also think it's a bit easier to switch between running apps on the Samsung.

I prefer the feel of the Kindle over the TSR, but the Kindle's lack of a hard volume button and Android Market is a deal-breaker for me. I love the features of the Samsung (lightweight, Android Market, volume buttons, good battery life so far), and the TSR App works good so far. I also downloaded the Xfinity TV app to the Samsung so that I can check TV listings and control the DVR channels thru that app. And it's easy to switch between the Xfinity and TSR apps on the Samsung. If I could figure out how to root the TSR to gain access to the Android Market I'd be more than 100%+ happy with it. To be clear, I have no regrets about being a TSR Early Adopter!! It really is the remote that Harmony should have strived to be.

The Kindle is being returned tomorrow, and I just ordered a Samsung Galaxy Tab 7.0 Plus from Costco ($50 instant rebate right now) as I think I'll prefer that size over the Tab 8.9 which was bought two days ago and will also be returned this week.

Just remember if you get any tablet/Kindle to use with the TSR app, you will need a device to control your IR-equipment, such as the Global Cache devices. I'm using a WF2IR with all of my devices (yes, including the TSR) and it seems to work well...EXCEPT for some reason the Kindle and Samsung will stop controlling the Yamaha receiver. The TSR doesn't seem to hiccup at all, though I'm not sure why...

I hope the above helps! Now someone take my camera away, clearly I like to take pictures and post 'em up!
post #82 of 128
You had me right up until you said "the Samsung will stop controlling the Yamaha receiver" because I have the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 and a brand new Yamaha receiver, ok now what?

I have been playing around with the yamaha app that lets you control the receiver but it will not replace my Harmony One just yet.
post #83 of 128
Wow, thanks for all that, mak.
It really helps put the size in perspective. If I am going this route (tablet all in one remote) most likely it would be the touchsquid. Looking at the pictures (and your descriptions) size wise it would be no better or worse than other solutions. And it makes it real easy being a ready to go out of the box solution versus "modifying" another tablet type device.
Thanks for all the info
post #84 of 128
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You had me right up until you said "the Samsung will stop controlling the Yamaha receiver" because I have the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 and a brand new Yamaha receiver, ok now what?

For some strange reason, the Yamaha might stop responding to commands when using the Kindle or Samsung Tab. If I'm in a Watch TV mode, I can still control the STB and TV - just not the Yamaha. The signals are being sent, as I can see the Xantech's IR emitter blinking on all devices.

I think this issue might have been caused when I added a ninth Device to my Profile, then deleted that ninth Device as I think there's a limit of eight maximum. Though my TSR's IR and GC'd Profiles seem to work just fine. There might have been something buried deep within the Profile when I copied it from the TSR's folder to the same folder in the Kindle and Samsung.

I might just take the Samsung and recreate a new Profile from scratch (eight Devives max) and see if that clears up the problem.

For those of you concerned about the TSR's battery, I replaced mine this w/e due to the original battery being suspect of not holding a charge for long. The remove/replacement process was fairly easy - I've included a picture of the guts for the curious...

post #85 of 128
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Wow, thanks for all that, mak.
It really helps put the size in perspective. If I am going this route (tablet all in one remote) most likely it would be the touchsquid. Looking at the pictures (and your descriptions) size wise it would be no better or worse than other solutions. And it makes it real easy being a ready to go out of the box solution versus "modifying" another tablet type device.
Thanks for all the info

If you need the IR capabilities, then the TSR is the only way to go! I'm not sure of any other products out there with built-in IR that can do anything close to what the TSR does. The Vizio VTAB1008 is a joke of a remote - don't even bother with it unless you want the "basic of the basic" commands and no Activity-like macros.
post #86 of 128
It may have been mentioned here but will the squid learn from other remotes? If so i may get one.
post #87 of 128
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It may have been mentioned here but will the squid learn from other remotes? If so i may get one.

There is a Capture App available from the Android Market, though I haven't used it. I believe it requires a Global Cache device to do the actual learning of your original remote's commands. Maybe you could get a better answer over at the TSR support forums?
post #88 of 128
If I recall correctly the TSR tablet has the ability to learn IR codes built in.

With other tablets you would of course need the GC and the app.

http://touchsquid.org/product/features/

Its has a transceiver which is a transmitter and receiver.

-R
post #89 of 128
The TSR does have a built in IR receiver, but we are still working on the capture driver. It should be ready "real soon now" as the saying goes.

The next big update is due soon, and will have support for serial devices (vis Global Cache) and button macros with up to 10 commands per button.

The app will also support external blasters from Keene and IRtrans.
post #90 of 128
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Originally Posted by mak99 View Post

If you need the IR capabilities, then the TSR is the only way to go! I'm not sure of any other products out there with built-in IR that can do anything close to what the TSR does. The Vizio VTAB1008 is a joke of a remote - don't even bother with it unless you want the "basic of the basic" commands and no Activity-like macros.

Well, I just placed an order for the tsr. Now it's just a matter of patiently awaiting its arrival...
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