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Plus, my brother happened to stop by last night with his latest purchases in the wine country, so the remark was no doubt fueled, just a bit, by some alcohol.

NOOOOooooo.......
post #62 of 182
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Originally Posted by adpayne View Post

I don't understand the point you are trying to make?

So the trailer is incorrect, and there is no wolfpack hunting humans?
The others who claim to have seen it and confirm that wolves are hunting humans are lying?

I never questioned the production values, acting, etc., only the premise of a wolf attack in a non-fantasy setting.

If other people enjoy the film, that is great.

You over simplify. Again, you need to see the film, if you are interested. If not, I understand your point which may or may not be valid. With the above rationale, you can attack anything. If you think that the film is not real "in a non-fantasy setting," that's OK, but hard to believe because you haven't seen it. That should be clear enough.
post #63 of 182
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he prepared to fight the alpha, then right when it was about to go down it went to black.

You didn't see the actual end of the film and should have heeded:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...2#post21568522
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Can anyone say...Part 2?

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Well, it is a very brief scene of 3 seconds at the most. There is Liam Neeson and the alpha wolf, for more you will have to see the film. If you blink, you could miss it and have to see the film 2X.
post #65 of 182
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Originally Posted by fookoo_2010 View Post

You over simplify. Again, you need to see the film, if you are interested. If not, I understand your point which may or may not be valid. With the above rationale, you can attack anything. If you think that the film is not real "in a non-fantasy setting," that's OK, but hard to believe because you haven't seen it. That should be clear enough.

Fair enough. My comments were not made to attack the entertainment value of the film. I certainly wouldn't tell anyone they shouldn't see it, or enjoy it.

It's just that I don't think I could get past the unlikelyhood of such an attack if I did see it.

I also know it isn't Hollywood's responsibility to educate anyone. Even so, many beliefs are derived from popular entertainment. The myths about wolves started with Fairy Tales centuries ago and remain to this day. I discussed this last night with a friend who has a Masters degree, and he thought wolf attacks were fairly common. I just had to walk away.

Art
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Originally Posted by adpayne View Post

Fair enough. My comments were not made to attack the entertainment value of the film. I certainly wouldn't tell anyone they shouldn't see it, or enjoy it.

It's just that I don't think I could get past the unlikelyhood of such an attack if I did see it.

I also know it isn't Hollywood's responsibility to educate anyone. Even so, many beliefs are derived from popular entertainment. The myths about wolves started with Fairy Tales centuries ago and remain to this day. I discussed this last night with a friend who has a Masters degree, and he thought wolf attacks were fairly common. I just had to walk away.

Art

I think you hit it on the head as far as my feelings are. Wolves have been misrepresented for so long as evil killers, and its unfortunate the sterotype is still being perpetuated...Its not like Cujo, say, where one can watch a rabid dog without walking away with any ill feelings for St. Bernards...A lot of people "know" wolves are demons, and it sounds like this film will reaffirm that belief. thats unfortunate... And , oh oink, its an oversimplification to say wolves are scared of man. Its more they find us disgusting-we smell bad
post #67 of 182
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Originally Posted by fookoo_2010 View Post

You didn't see the actual end of the film and should have heeded:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...2#post21568522

an ending after the the credits, is not an ending.

the people who were complaining about the ending, while I was walking out, sure as heck weren't sticking around until after the credits.

ftr, I have no problems with the ending (the actual ending, not some extra stuff that was tacked on after the credits)
post #68 of 182
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Originally Posted by adpayne View Post

I discussed this last night with a friend who has a Masters degree, and he thought wolf attacks were fairly common. I just had to walk away.

Education is a life-long endeavour....



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Originally Posted by lonwolf615 View Post

oh oink, its an oversimplification to say wolves are scared of man. Its more they find us disgusting-we smell bad

All species of intelligent animals humans prey upon have a healthy fear of homo sapiens.
This has been learned behavior and/or genetic disposition passed down through many, many generations.
We have been actively killing predators for tens of thousands of years.

Wolves have been demonized over the centuries primarily because they will, at times, prey on domesticated animals.
For our shepard forefathers, this was a special concern.
Humans draw a line in the sand when predators are perceived to take food from the mouths of their children.

Have humans been killed by wolves?
Sure, but it is extremely EXTREMELY rare.

If someone dies in the wilderness, animals WILL scavenge the body.
Animals such as birds, raccoons, coyotes, bears....really, an almost endless list of critters.
And like most predators, wolves will, at times, scavenge human remains.
Many scavenging incidents have been misidentified as "killing" by our ignorant ancestors.
post #69 of 182
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

Here ya go: http://www.fws.gov/northeast/graywolf/wolfbio.pdf

I don't care about the wolves, pig. Has no one seen the film that can comment on its alleged more art-house thematic side?
post #70 of 182
I watched the film and absolutely loved it! I do believe the wolves attacking would be an extremely rare situation. Where the plane crashed looked like it hadn't seen many humans and it didn't seem like the wolves had either. It simply became a matter of territory.

If you look past that, there is such great storytelling and character development. Not to mention fantastic performances by the core cast. These are the reasons I gave the film an A+. I'll definitely purchase this one on blu ray.

For the record, I'm very much against animal cruelty. I saw the film as people trying to survive in a rare situation and how they went about doing so.
post #71 of 182
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Originally Posted by javanpohl View Post

Has no one seen the film that can comment on its alleged more art-house thematic side?

It is a film about life and death and is very well done.
post #72 of 182
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Originally Posted by adpayne View Post

My opinion is based on what was shown in the trailers, and what people have said about the plot, etc. I am not some huge animal rights guy, and I despise PETA. However, the demonization of wolves has always bothered me. Wolf packs hunting humans is pure fiction, and has no basis in reality. I feel the same way about the bad rap that bats have gotten as well. I don't believe in censorship at all, but they should at least put a disclaimer in the film, that wolves would never behave in that manner.

If it was a fantasy, or horror, film it wouldn't bother me in the least. But as Oink mentioned, many people still think wolves are some evil creatures ready to pounce upon them.Art

My sister is a long-time wolf advocate, both professionally/career-wise and personally, having had wolf hybrids (one nearly 100% wolf) for household pets (it was a trip visiting her and staying in her house with them!), and has expressed her disgust with this film's grossly inaccurate stereotypical portrayal of wolves' behavior.
post #73 of 182
Well - I for one am going to have to see it. I liked The Edge and frankly LN movies are always good yarns if you don't take them too seriously. I'm pretty sure I'll wait and get it on DVD and then rip it to watch on my Vaio. And speakin of wolves - has anyone seen "Frozen"?
post #74 of 182
People should watch the "Phantom" with Billy Zane, he had a wolf as a pet.
post #75 of 182
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Originally Posted by javry View Post

Well -has anyone seen "Frozen"?

Yes, I have.
post #76 of 182
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Originally Posted by javry View Post

And speakin of wolves - has anyone seen "Frozen"?

I haven't. Boycotted it. Can't believe, in this day and age, film-makers are still propagating the myth that chairlifts are dangerous. If approached by humans, most chairlifts will start scurrying up the mountain. While chairlift attacks on humans do happen they are exceedingly rare and are definitely not the norm.

Sigh... some people will never learn.
post #77 of 182
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Originally Posted by javry View Post

- has anyone seen "Frozen"?

Oh sh*t!! Everybody duck!!! oink is coming!!!!
post #78 of 182
It's insanely odd to me that anyone is up in arms about how wolves are portrayed in this, or any movie, when you, and the audience fully understand that it's just a movie.
post #79 of 182
Thanks for taking time away from your busy schedule of puppy kicking to tell us that.
post #80 of 182
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Originally Posted by Aliens View Post

Oh sh*t!! Everybody duck!!! oink is coming!!!!

I tried Frozen...the whole setup about being stuck on a chairlift in the first place was eye-rolling.
Stuck on a chairlift AND killer wolves, oh yeah!


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Originally Posted by lordcloud View Post

It's insanely odd to me that anyone is up in arms about how wolves are portrayed in this, or any movie, when you, and the audience fully understand that it's just a movie.

You and I know it's a MOVIE, however....
As I said in post#24:
Many people form opinions based on what they see on a movie screen or the boob tube....particularly those who see reality in black and white.
post #81 of 182
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Originally Posted by javanpohl View Post

Thanks for taking time away from your busy schedule of puppy kicking to tell us that.

I have people to do my puppy kicking. I kick kittens.
post #82 of 182
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Originally Posted by lordcloud View Post

I have people to do my puppy kicking. I kick kittens.

NOOOOO!
I love cats....I got a mess of 'em.
post #83 of 182
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

NOOOOO!
I love cats....I got a mess of 'em.

I'll try to cut down on my daily kitten kicking. It's gonna be tough though.
post #84 of 182
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Originally Posted by lordcloud View Post

I'll try to cut down on my daily kitten kicking. It's gonna be tough though.

LOL...I have a lot of faith in you.
post #85 of 182
The archicat (aka Patti), like many feline-Americans, likes to begin her day with the morning paper and a cuppa' joe.

post #86 of 182
archi,

With the exception of the color, mine being darker, our mobile mousetraps have very similar markings.

To keep from cluttering the thread, I'll post it as an attachment.
LL
post #87 of 182
Resisting...derailing....this...thread....
post #88 of 182
KITTIES!!!

Saw this last night. I liked it and just like I thought when I saw the trailer, I thought it reminded me of 'The Edge'. Except it was wolves instead of one big bear. Why must there always be a token total douche character in these? Glad this was a proper R though. I think it helped. I really enjoyed the score too. Had glanced through this thread some more before I saw it and tried not to read any spoilers but when the end was approaching... I kind of knew what was going to happen. I think it worked well. Didn't disappoint.
post #89 of 182
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

particularly those who see reality in black and white.

You gonna start picking on color-blind people now?
post #90 of 182
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Originally Posted by javanpohl View Post

You gonna start picking on color-blind people now?

As often as possible....
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