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post #241 of 464
1/30/12 at 10:41pm
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I sent my 3009 back. I tried to access the set up menu from the remote and it would just keep scrolling through the options and wouldn't stop. Then if I pressed the volume, it wouldn't go incrementally. It would just race all the way up and down. I felt that was the start of bad things to come.

Uh oh shades of the IDE cable problem on xx08 series. Hopefully yours is an isolated case and not wide spread like the previous gen. I'll monitoring this closely, keep us updated on what the issue is on your receiver.
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post #242 of 464
1/31/12 at 12:50am
Would be quite strange if a known problem of the xxx8 series, which had been resolved in the latest production runs of that generation, would reappear now in the xxx9 series.
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post #243 of 464
1/31/12 at 1:11am
I have been having a lot of trouble with the remote on my 3009. I also have trouble with a Harmony one I use on the unit. I just noticed that if I turn on a overhead light in the room the problems go away. Does this make any sense?
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post #244 of 464
1/31/12 at 2:16am
That sounds to me, as if there is some sort of interference in the room, which causes those weird actions. Sometimes fluorescent lights can cause this.
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post #245 of 464
1/31/12 at 2:47am
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That sounds to me, as if there is some sort of interference in the room, which causes those weird actions. Sometimes fluorescent lights can cause this.

this is very possable. I found similar situations with different equiptment. Just slightly moving some of the pieces cures the problem. Lighting dimmers can be notorious for this.
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post #246 of 464
1/31/12 at 2:49am
By the way really strange after the unplugging all the issues i started to have with the different curves have dissapeared. Either a problem developing or could have been a static or similar issue.
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post #247 of 464
1/31/12 at 4:36am
Unplugging the unit is named hardware reset, because the CPUs (DSPs) will have to boot up after plugging in again. If the CPU (program code) has gotten lost due to some mysterious circumstances, this will get it back on track as long the firmware is not really buggy or the hardware at fault. Because none of the user (personal) parameters have to be touched like in a factory reset, you won't lose anything you had configured before.
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post #248 of 464
1/31/12 at 5:16am
Hey thanks you think as long as I have been at this I would have realized that. Seems in a lot of threads everyone is obsessed with resetting everything whenever there is any kind of issue large or small. thanks for the heads up and saving a lot of extra work. Hopefully this was a fluke and not the sign of issues to come. I really cannot believe Onkyo would release the 0009 series with similar issues as the 0008's although companies have done dumb things before. Thanks for youir advise.
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post #249 of 464
1/31/12 at 7:30am
I remember, that in the xxx6 series the DTS bomb problem reappeared again, after they fixed it already for the xxx5 series.
The reason behind this seems to be, that a dedicated developers group (outsourced ?) for next years generation takes over from where the prior development ended at the time of release to the market, including all the bugs and quirks. If a problem has been resolved for the current generation, it won't be automatically transferred to the next generation, whilst with the release of the product the new one branches off. Because those groups work most of the time in parallel, no obvious knowledge is been transferred. They fix problems and bugs, but in another branch of the software development, which is already supposed to be a dead end at that time.

So the next generation group will miss on those improvements already been made and might have to reinvent the wheel for their - new - product once in a while, somtimes again and again.

PS.: I put it to the extremes, in reality probably at least some problems and their resolutions have been communicated between the different development groups, but not always as it seems to be.
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post #250 of 464
1/31/12 at 7:54am
I was just told by a neighbor that there are sensor eyes in the Onkyo 3009. He said to block off one with a piece of tape or something. The eyes are on the left hand side as you are looking at the display. Supposedly this would eliminate some problems with the remote. I dont really want to explain his theory & I cant try it as I am not home right now.
Does this make any sense?
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post #251 of 464
1/31/12 at 10:06am
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Originally Posted by gurkey View Post

I remember, that in the xxx6 series the DTS bomb problem reappeared again, after they fixed it already for the xxx5 series.
The reason behind this seems to be, that a dedicated developers group (outsourced ?) for next years generation takes over from where the prior development ended at the time of release to the market, including all the bugs and quirks. If a problem has been resolved for the current generation, it won't be automatically transferred to the next generation, whilst with the release of the product the new one branches off. Because those groups work most of the time in parallel, no obvious knowledge is been transferred. They fix problems and bugs, but in another branch of the software development, which is already supposed to be a dead end at that time.

So the next generation group will miss on those improvements already been made and might have to reinvent the wheel for their - new - product once in a while, somtimes again and again.

PS.: I put it to the extremes, in reality probably at least some problems and their resolutions have been communicated between the different development groups, but not always as it seems to be.

It would just seem odd that after all the issues Onkyo has had and had to be some expense to correct they would try to keep the right and left hand working together to produce a better result. Good business at least. Well for the time being and I hope permanent (holding my breath) my issues are gone. Just from unplugging the unit for a few seconds. That also happened I believe with the 0008 issues and than they just kept getting worse. Time will tell. If it does reaccur this is my last Onkyo Integra ever.
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post #252 of 464
1/31/12 at 12:42pm
Remember, after all your AVR is just... a computer, showing the same behavior as many other computers.
Once it starts acting strangely or just hangs remember this. Most of the times a hidden software / firmware bug is responsible for this.
The simplest way to get rid of this is (at least momentarily) ... rebooting or unplugging the unit just for a few seconds. This will not always clear things up, especially if a vital routine is buggy causing the recurrence of the same or similar problems.
Firmware updates are those events one should do this always, no matter what "they" say.

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Hey thanks you think as long as I have been at this I would have realized that. Seems in a lot of threads everyone is obsessed with resetting everything whenever there is any kind of issue large or small. thanks for the heads up and saving a lot of extra work. Hopefully this was a fluke and not the sign of issues to come. I really cannot believe Onkyo would release the 0009 series with similar issues as the 0008's although companies have done dumb things before. Thanks for your advise.
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post #253 of 464
2/1/12 at 1:34am
I took a old floppy disk apart & used the black film inside & covered the sensor on the left. It worked like a charm. If any body is having trouble with the remote in a dark room it certainly worked for me.
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post #254 of 464
2/1/12 at 2:08am
If it is true, what's been rumored, that the software for those units is been outsourced, than it might happen. Those teams, responsible for different generations, are then disjunct from the moment the next model generation is been branched off. If inter-group communication works, then it should be fine, but this doesn't seem to be the case for everything.

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It would just seem odd that after all the issues Onkyo has had and had to be some expense to correct they would try to keep the right and left hand working together to produce a better result. Good business at least. Well for the time being and I hope permanent (holding my breath) my issues are gone. Just from unplugging the unit for a few seconds. That also happened I believe with the 0008 issues and than they just kept getting worse. Time will tell. If it does reaccur this is my last Onkyo Integra ever.
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post #255 of 464
2/1/12 at 5:11am
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Originally Posted by gurkey View Post

If it is true, what's been rumored, that the software for those units is been outsourced, than it might happen. Those teams, responsible for different generations, are then disjunct from the moment the next model generation is been branched off. If inter-group communication works, then it should be fine, but this doesn't seem to be the case for everything.

understood and thanks.
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post #256 of 464
2/3/12 at 9:34am
Wow this thread is dead, or everyones unit is perfect and set up properly. I am glad to admit at this point in time my issue has not returned. Looks like no new firmware updates yet.
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post #257 of 464
2/3/12 at 9:57am
I have a question I am waiting a answer on over at the Onkyo help forum.

The question is about power consumption with the HDMI through setting enabled & about the longevity of the unit if you turn off the setting & let the receiver go through the Hdmi start up each time.
I am waiting for a answer. I was thanked for my patience & they are consulting with a associate.
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post #258 of 464
2/3/12 at 2:27pm
Hey guys I have been thinking of either getting the Denon 4311 or the Onkyo TX-NR 3009 and would like to hear some suggestions from a few of you Onkyo owners. I have had Onkyos for years so I am more familiar with the setup menus etc. and they are really user friendly. I hear the Denon menus are a little more complicated so have any of you made the switch think it is that much different or confusing?

Between the two it looks like the Onkyo has the better video upscaling although this is not a huge selling point for me it is something to consider since I am paying for it either way and I can notice a difference in PQ with the 609 that I have now. I have tried to google comparisons between the two and take in as much info as possible in a short amount of time, but it would be good to hear a few peoples opinions.

Denon pros:
Smaller and more room to breathe in my current entertainment furniture. The Onkyo will have very little room which is a concern.
$200 less than the Onkyo
Less failures and problems than Onkyo
Runs cooler
Airplay although not a selling point as I have apple tv2
Can support 11.2

Onkyo pros:
I can navigate their menus much faster (no learning curve)
Better video upscaling
Heavier, beefier amp
THX certification
DTS Neo X
ISF calibration
Seems like more features for the money.

I have read about issues with both models lately and was wondering if they have gotten them straightened out. I have been happy with Onkyo over the years, but after having my latest 609 for a while there are some issues that have been bugging me so Denon has me very interested atm. I will also ask this in the Denon thread to see what those guys say over there so any comments or info i may have missed will help me sway my purchase.
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post #259 of 464
2/3/12 at 3:21pm
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Originally Posted by Saints View Post

Hey guys I have been thinking of either getting the Denon 4311 or the Onkyo TX-NR 3009 and would like to hear some suggestions from a few of you Onkyo owners. I have had Onkyos for years so I am more familiar with the setup menus etc. and they are really user friendly. I hear the Denon menus are a little more complicated so have any of you made the switch think it is that much different or confusing?

Between the two it looks like the Onkyo has the better video upscaling although this is not a huge selling point for me it is something to consider since I am paying for it either way and I can notice a difference in PQ with the 609 that I have now. I have tried to google comparisons between the two and take in as much info as possible in a short amount of time, but it would be good to hear a few peoples opinions.

Denon pros:
Smaller and more room to breathe in my current entertainment furniture. The Onkyo will have very little room which is a concern.
$200 less than the Onkyo
Less failures and problems than Onkyo
Runs cooler
Airplay although not a selling point as I have apple tv2
Can support 11.2

Onkyo pros:
I can navigate their menus much faster (no learning curve)
Better video upscaling
Heavier, beefier amp
THX certification
DTS Neo X
ISF calibration
Seems like more features for the money.

I have read about issues with both models lately and was wondering if they have gotten them straightened out. I have been happy with Onkyo over the years, but after having my latest 609 for a while there are some issues that have been bugging me so Denon has me very interested atm. I will also ask this in the Denon thread to see what those guys say over there so any comments or info i may have missed will help me sway my purchase.

Hello;
my .02 I had a 4311 when it first came out bought for the 11.2 just did not like it comming from an onkyo 5007 at the time . Now have the 3009 , I had an issue last week and I seem to have worked it out. So far love it . The video processor in this unit is not to be taken lightly the SQ and processing is un real. Really great bang for the buck. Just my opinion. Read Joerods review at the beginning of the thread all is very true.
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post #260 of 464
2/3/12 at 8:43pm
Thread Starter 
Hey guys, sorry I'm just checking in. Been super busy working and preparing for my ultimate Review on the Sony 1000ES. I am really excited to finally test out the 4K scaling in the 3009! More to come really soon...
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post #261 of 464
2/3/12 at 8:46pm
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Hey guys, sorry I'm just checking in. Been super busy working and preparing for my ultimate Review on the Sony 1000ES. I am really excited to finally test out the 4K scaling in the 3009! More to come really soon...

Joe you never followed up on:

william06's inquiry and mine...

What up?
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post #262 of 464
2/3/12 at 10:53pm
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

Joe you never followed up on:

william06's inquiry and mine...

What up?

Actually I did. Just waiting for answers while it is being investigated.. And I promise you that.
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post #263 of 464
2/4/12 at 2:43am
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Originally Posted by dowop View Post

I have a question I am waiting a answer on over at the Onkyo help forum.

The question is about power consumption with the HDMI through setting enabled & about the longevity of the unit if you turn off the setting & let the receiver go through the Hdmi start up each time.
I am waiting for a answer. I was thanked for my patience & they are consulting with a associate.

They do not know the answer. Could someone here help me?
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post #264 of 464
2/8/12 at 12:39pm
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Actually I did. Just waiting for answers while it is being investigated.. And I promise you that.

Hello,
Well, you said i should be blown away, plus all the reviews I've read and lower end models I've heard, ... I just pulled the trigger on a 3009!! It should hopefully be here in a loooooong week. In my anxious anticipation of it, I was looking at some pictures of what is to come and noticed that to bi-amp my mains you connect them to front heights. This is a little disconcerning to me since I was hoping to add front heights in the future.

So my question is, can I bi-amp them to surround back channels? I'm primarily movies and front heights sound really cool especially helicopter scenes etc.

I apologize if this has been covered before and the noob questions. I currrently have MA RX8's wth RX center which is also bi-ampable.

Any info or advise is greatly appreciated and thank you so much in advance.
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post #265 of 464
2/9/12 at 4:31pm
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Hello,
Well, you said i should be blown away, plus all the reviews I've read and lower end models I've heard, ... I just pulled the trigger on a 3009!! It should hopefully be here in a loooooong week. In my anxious anticipation of it, I was looking at some pictures of what is to come and noticed that to bi-amp my mains you connect them to front heights. This is a little disconcerning to me since I was hoping to add front heights in the future.

So my question is, can I bi-amp them to surround back channels? I'm primarily movies and front heights sound really cool especially helicopter scenes etc.

I apologize if this has been covered before and the noob questions. I currrently have MA RX8's wth RX center which is also bi-ampable.

Any info or advise is greatly appreciated and thank you so much in advance.

Bump.

It came early. It's in my possession!!

Please help I really want to open it!!
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post #266 of 464
2/16/12 at 7:55am
Just wanted to give an update to some issues I reported a couple of weeks ago. It is quite clear to me that the issues I had with the sound decoding audessey etc were not obviously anything wrong with the unit. I think it might have had to do with a bit of static during a cold dry spell. I reset the unit and it has worked absolutely perfect since. The audessey set up power and detail are again amazing. This is one great piece of av gear just my .02. Just anxious to see if Onkyo will do anything firmware wise to enhance these units more or if they are now abandoning them for the newer models not starting to be introduced with some nice new features. Looks like at this time they are not going the 11.2 route although there seems to be nothing on the upperend models. Still though this unit works so well I think its a keeper for a while. Joe anything yet?
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post #267 of 464
2/16/12 at 2:34pm
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Update: Sadly I hate to report this today but the 4K scaling so far has been terrible on the Sony 1000ES. I will continue to work at it some but honestly with the risk of onkyo hating me I do not think they should even be marketing it!
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post #268 of 464
2/16/12 at 4:36pm
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

Update: Sadly I hate to report this today but the 4K scaling so far has been terrible on the Sony 1000ES. I will continue to work at it some but honestly with the risk of onkyo hating me I do not think they should even be marketing it!

That's disappointing.

Maybe a new firmware update could fix?
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post #269 of 464
2/16/12 at 7:11pm
That is quite dissapointing as the future use of the 4k upscaling on this unit will probably not be used until after the units are out of warranty. At least by many of us. First the lack of reasonably priced source units and software specifically designed for 4k. So really the 4k upscaling is something currently a deceptive marketing ploy by Onkyo. Hopefully as stated above mabey this is something a firmware update could fix. Joe have you had a response from them on your findings.
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post #270 of 464
2/16/12 at 8:00pm
Thread Starter 
I'm waiting for a few answers as I type this. Hopefully a software update could remedy it. On the big plus side the HQV chip does an excellent job of doing 1080p. That looks first rate being sent into the 1000ES then upscaled to 4K.
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