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post #301 of 464
I just checked for a new firmware download on my 5009 and there is one.

Downloading now.
post #302 of 464
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Originally Posted by liltalkm View Post

I just checked for a new firmware download on my 5009 and there is one.

Downloading now.

Should have my new 3009 in hand this afternoon.

Latest Firmware Number (16 digits): 1071-0600-0210-5103
As of 16 March 2012
Stabilizes video output when using HDMI/CAT5 Extender on HDMI OUT MAIN terminal;
post #303 of 464
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Originally Posted by flyboygeo View Post

Should have my new 3009 in hand this afternoon. What does the update mention as new?

Nothing mentioned or noted anywhere that I have found.
post #304 of 464
Seems pretty minor according to this...

http://63.148.251.135/redirect_servi...9_03_16_12.pdf
post #305 of 464
Yes very not a big upgrade I was hoping fo
post #306 of 464
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Originally Posted by william06 View Post

Yes very not a big upgrade I was hoping fo

The european support site lists the following changes

- Stabilizes video output when using HDMI/CAT5 Extender on HDMI OUT MAIN terminal.
- Adds support of Audyssey Pro features.
post #307 of 464
nothing said here for the 3009 for audessey pro and I believe the 5009 also. Kind of weird. I was really looking for the ability to do 11.2 with an external amp like the dennon 4311, but looks like no go in the us now anyway. I did do the update went well just have not really had time to check things out yet. Some times the do other fixes but do not include them in the information statements.
post #308 of 464
The new firmware is not on the U.S site. I can only find it on the European website. Since I am in the U.S is it safe for me to download it from the European site?
post #309 of 464
hello guys , this is my first post and i like to know if the 3009 can play flac files @ 24/192.

I'm from Brazil and I'll be next week in the U.S. and I intend to buy a 3009

thx

Ronald
post #310 of 464
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Originally Posted by dowop View Post

The new firmware is not on the U.S site. I can only find it on the European website. Since I am in the U.S is it safe for me to download it from the European site?

The updates are supposed to be universal...
post #311 of 464
Do yourself a .......and buy a 5009, acording the tests is much better than the 3009
post #312 of 464
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Originally Posted by Vallhall View Post

Do yourself a .......and buy a 5009, acording the tests is much better than the 3009

What tests are you referring to??
post #313 of 464
First Onkyo 3009 is DOA!!! Turns on and then goes off within a few seconds. If it does stay on, it goes off as soon as you select an input. Nothing hooked up at all. Going back, maybe should have got a 4311.
post #314 of 464
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Originally Posted by A&M 350Z View Post

First Onkyo 3009 is DOA!!! Turns on and then goes off within a few seconds. If it does stay on, it goes off as soon as you select an input. Nothing hooked up at all. Going back, maybe should have got a 4311.

Did you do a factory reset?

I know you shouldn't have to, but try that.

Also. Try another outlet.

I've owned a 4311 and the 5009.

IMO, the Onkyo's are fantastic.

As a side note; my first 4311 was defective and it took a month to get a replacement. That was the first broken AVR I've ever had. ...

It happens... And while Onkyo has had some issues with their past generation, I dont think DOA x009's are common.

Best of luck.
post #315 of 464
Good thoughts. I had already tried different outlet and bypassed my surge protector but still will not stay on. With factory reset the unit stayed on for about a minute and then shut off. Happens with and without and connections. Must be bad power supply. Bad luck I guess.
post #316 of 464
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Originally Posted by A&M 350Z View Post

Good thoughts. I had already tried different outlet and bypassed my surge protector but still will not stay on. With factory reset the unit stayed on for about a minute and then shut off. Happens with and without and connections. Must be bad power supply. Bad luck I guess.

I would highly reccoment fowowing filmmakers advise if cannot work I would definately exchange it. Once you do and have a working unit you will love it.
post #317 of 464
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Originally Posted by gurkey View Post

The updates are supposed to be universal...

I updated via the internet.
post #318 of 464
Several users, which updated the 5509, 5009 and 3009 with the latest firmware (yesterday) are reporting a much improved bass and surround sound staging although nothing has been stated by Onkyo about a new Audyssey treatment / revision / changes.
post #319 of 464
that's weird, I'm already getting good bass and surround. I haven't seen much chatter on AVS about this. How did you come by this info? It's nice if it improves my HT even further. I'm liking that Onkyo has blessed the 3009/5009 with pro capability even though I probably won't get a pro calibration done.
post #320 of 464
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Originally Posted by gurkey View Post

Several users, which updated the 5509, 5009 and 3009 with the latest firmware (yesterday) are reporting a much improved bass and surround sound staging although nothing has been stated by Onkyo about a new Audyssey treatment / revision / changes.

Agreed.At first I thought it was only my subjective feeling,the surround is much better enveloping.
post #321 of 464
I did the upgrade on friday just watched a couple of short programs since. I felt all was fine before and have not really noticed anything different at this point. Need of course to check further. Some one mentioned these units were now Audessey pro capable I do not see any information anywhere stating that officially. Please correct me if I am mistaken.
post #322 of 464
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Originally Posted by nismo604 View Post

that's weird, I'm already getting good bass and surround. I haven't seen much chatter on AVS about this. How did you come by this info? It's nice if it improves my HT even further. I'm liking that Onkyo has blessed the 3009/5009 with pro capability even though I probably won't get a pro calibration done.

I gathered this information from two German forums:
www.hifi-forum.de
Sorry, the second link is not printable here for unknown reasons

Those, who upgraded already, surprisingly stated this, although it hasn't been mentioned anywhere in the notes going with it.
I haven't upgraded myself yet because of lack of time...
post #323 of 464
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Originally Posted by william06 View Post

I did the upgrade on friday just watched a couple of short programs since. I felt all was fine before and have not really noticed anything different at this point. Need of course to check further. Some one mentioned these units were now Audessey pro capable I do not see any information anywhere stating that officially. Please correct me if I am mistaken.

Audyssey Pro is only for Europe, not US models.

I'll be curios to follow up on Gurkey's comments.. it makes no sense that anything could change without a re-measurement of Audyssey... interesting..

EDIT: I read through the general 5009 thread...

2 people commented on the sound quality, and one did re-measure:

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Have been measured again after the update, new and more precise. This time the result is really
well, even the sub was well calibrated. Now I am very satisfied with the sound
Calibration! XT32 measure in my opinion a little less fine with the "rough trowel", ie
and more accurate. If I turn off Audyssey, the difference is usually not such a big but
with Audyssey is the sound for me sharper, more precise, cleaner. No worlds but already clearly audible.

Oviously we all know how picky calibrations are and if you don't precisely measure in exactly the same place the results can be vasty different....

That being said, Onkyo in particular has messed up FW in the past that adversely affected calibrations... not saying they couldn't improve it... just seems anecdotal at best.
post #324 of 464
Is it confirmed that pro capability is only for European models? How is that possible if they are the same file? Can I not just download the euro version on a USB stick and upload it that way in order to get pro?
post #325 of 464
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

Audyssey Pro is only for Europe, not US models.

I'll be curios to follow up on Gurkey's comments.. it makes no sense that anything could change without a re-measurement of Audyssey... interesting..

EDIT: I read through the general 5009 thread...

2 people commented on the sound quality, and one did re-measure:



Oviously we all know how picky calibrations are and if you don't precisely measure in exactly the same place the results can be vasty different....

That being said, Onkyo in particular has messed up FW in the past that adversely affected calibrations... not saying they couldn't improve it... just seems anecdotal at best.

I know this is crazy but today I re ran my audessey setup using all 8 locations as always and did nothing different. Since I have had the 3009 my calabration wound up witih the two subs one at -13 and the other 1 14.5 always I readjusted my subs up and all sounded good.. Today after I ran audessey after doing firmware update on friday the Subs wound up +3.5 and +1.5 and sounded terrific. And yes the entire system center surrounds were better than I though ever in the past. Interestingly the system wound up with the same measurements or close as my integra 50.3 and prior onkyo 5008 had. So I do believe there was more done than announced or should I say corrected.

Also it seems odd that they would add audessey pro ca[ability to the euro models and not the us quite unfair if you ask me.
post #326 of 464
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Originally Posted by nismo604 View Post

Is it confirmed that pro capability is only for European models? How is that possible if they are the same file? Can I not just download the euro version on a USB stick and upload it that way in order to get pro?


I have wondered the same.
post #327 of 464
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Originally Posted by nismo604 View Post

Is it confirmed that pro capability is only for European models? How is that possible if they are the same file? Can I not just download the euro version on a USB stick and upload it that way in order to get pro?

If it is indeed meant only for a certain market, you won't be able to get a license from Audyssey, regardless of the FW version... they can tell via the serial #/receiver ID.

I assume the reasoning (as it was on the 008 models) is to protect the Integra line in the NA market...
post #328 of 464
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Originally Posted by william06 View Post

I know this is crazy but today I re ran my audessey setup using all 8 locations as always and did nothing different. Since I have had the 3009 my calabration wound up witih the two subs one at -13 and the other 1 14.5 always I readjusted my subs up and all sounded good.. Today after I ran audessey after doing firmware update on friday the Subs wound up +3.5 and +1.5 and sounded terrific. And yes the entire system center surrounds were better than I though ever in the past. Interestingly the system wound up with the same measurements or close as my integra 50.3 and prior onkyo 5008 had. So I do believe there was more done than announced or should I say corrected.

Also it seems odd that they would add audessey pro ca[ability to the euro models and not the us quite unfair if you ask me.

See my above.. they excluded the 3008 and 5008 from Pro also..

William.. I'm not doubting your observations... the 1/2db difference is interesting.. but it's almost impossible to place the mix in exactly the same location after being moved, and low frequencies are so large, you cannot exempt mic placement for the difference....

However, it's really hard to objectively know what difference, if any, exists... Onkyo, or Audyssey, would have to let us in on anything different...

Because you were looking for a difference might be why you found one.. placebo is hard to escape for everyone.

In the end, it doesn't matter... maybe they made some improvements, and if it sounds great (and I love this line of AVR's) it is great.
post #329 of 464
Placebo effect could be expected, if they knew beforehand, that Audyssey had changed.
But because nothing had been announced about any Audyssey changes, except the Audyssey Pro capability, this is not conclusive.
The Onkyo firmwares are universal, they will work everywhere without a hitch. Installing the European firmware update thus shouldn't break any model.
post #330 of 464
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

See my above.. they excluded the 3008 and 5008 from Pro also..

William.. I'm not doubting your observations... the 1/2db difference is interesting.. but it's almost impossible to place the mix in exactly the same location after being moved, and low frequencies are so large, you cannot exempt mic placement for the difference....

However, it's really hard to objectively know what difference, if any, exists... Onkyo, or Audyssey, would have to let us in on anything different...

Because you were looking for a difference might be why you found one.. placebo is hard to escape for everyone.

In the end, it doesn't matter... maybe they made some improvements, and if it sounds great (and I love this line of AVR's) it is great.

I understand what you are saying I use the thx level mode zero being reference since I have had the 3009 last october when I run the setup it always set the 1 and two subs at - 13 or - 14 this time it was sub 1 +3.5 and Sub 2 + 1.5 that is a large swing and ok the mike can vary a tiny bit but not enough for that big a swing. and all onkyo/integras i have had in the past were closer to this last setting . It is definatelly more than placebo.

I understand about audessey pro but protecting the Integras by letting europe have it and not the us is kind of cheesey and gives me somewhat of a bad taste towards the company. Do not get me wrong I love this unit and appreciate all you say
Thanks.
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