Onkyo TX-NR3009 NEO:X Receiver Review - Page 14

It actually is similar to both... it handles both dynamics and spectral balance at various volumes.

Does anyone have the serial protocol for this AVR? I downloaded a on-line owners manual and it wasn't there.

Hi, I am considering getting a 3009 to replace my 905. I have a few questions that I would appreciate some advice on.

1. I am using an anti mode at the moment, will I still need to use this with the 3009?

2. I don't have much extra width to accommodate wide front speakers but can add heights. I read that wide speakers are required to get the benefit of DSX but will it be worth adding just heights?

3. If I only add heights is it better to use pliiz or DSX?

4. I use a combination of KEF XQ's and IQ's at the moment, will KEF eggs be ok for height (and wide if I can accommodate them) or is it best to look for some more IQ,s?

5. I use iRule at the moment, can I control the 3009 directly via the Ethernet connection or will I still need an itach device?

6. I was looking for a chart showing speaker positioning on the Audyssey site but couldn't find one. Anyone got a link for a diagram?

7. I read that wide front and height speakers are more important than surround rears. What are your thoughts on moving my Q2DS speakers from surround back to surround and using my IQ1's that are currently on the surround channel to the front, and not having surround back speakers at all?

8. Anybody here moved from a 905 to any of the 300x/500x series. If so what were your first impressions?

9. Is there any still any chance of Airplay or full 11.2 being implemented?


Thanks for any replies,

Graham

Hi,

I would be grateful if anyone has got any replies to my questions. I am still considering the 3009, 5009 or Denon 4311

Thanks

Graham

Do you ever find yourself missing the back surrounds on movies with the front heights and wides engaged? Or do you feel that the height and wides more than make up the loss of the backs on movies, esp of the action/scifi/horror genre.

Do I understand correctly you can still have back surrounds active with EITHER front heights OR wides?

If I perform a firmware upgrade do I have to re-do the Audyssey XT32 setup on my 5009 or are the settings from the prior Audyssey setup retained in the unit's memory?? I'm not so much concerned with the distance/level/crossover settings for each channel as I have recorded these, but rather the "hidden" frequency/delay adjustments Audyssey makes to each channel to correct for room acoustics, etc.

No matter what, i always would do a new measurement, because internal parameters and algorithms for Audyssey might have changed by the new firmware influencing a already setup system.
There have been reports, that the latest firmware update (March 2012) will improve the listening experience quite a bit, although not documented in the change notes by Onkyo.

In those reports, was the improved listening experience noticed right after the firmware update was installed, or only after Audyssey was re-run in the new firmware environment?

Just a curious question. Has anyone noticed a discernable difference in theyre audio when adding an external amp to theyre 3009 or 5009. I have an emo xpa1 powering my center and a upa2 my front left and right. The speakers are all B#W 600s center and 685 with two big 18" powered subs in a 9.2 configuration. To me they sound great with both the ext amps and internal amps. Just curious if anyone else really hears a big or small difference. The reason I ask is considering selling my two amps for an XPA-5

Thanks I like the way mine sounds now but I think eventlually will got the 5 ext amp route and set the 1 and 2 channel. I like the emo amps by the way.

I've had separates in my system...

I think it's so hard to be objective knowing you have an amp in your system to make a comparison to when you didn't...

I think for a lot of people it's going to be hard to get rid of the placebo of knowing they have spent the money and time putting in a more powerful amp.

I'm used to listening to "over" amplified systems all day long... by that I mean we always have way more power than needed, to obviously reach the required SPL's, but to do so without noticeable distortion...

I found the 5009 amps to be superb and don't think anything could be gained in fidelity and power by adding an external amp.. I would expect for most the same to be true of the 3009.

At least not in any reasonably sized home theater with fairly good and reasonably efficient speakers...

IMO, you're not going to see any performance gain that justifies the expense.

Thanks Joerod and filmiMixer for the replies. I do think most of it is placebo. Probably will keep it as is for the time being and mabey eventually just go withg the 3009 amps or up grade to the XPA 5.

Yes I agree. O course me I downsized my speakers last fall to the B&W 685's so I do not need that much power but I tend to agree with the smaller emos the big difference I think is in the clarity and detail Probably as I said Ill kep the pair of amps I have and down the road go with the 5channel bigger XPA 5 the emos are not bad considering the prices. Definately though the 3009 is a keeper its a great amp and I am so glad I read your revview when I was looking.

Can anyone confirm the March update improving the audio? Everything's working great in my 3009, so I took the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" approach. If I do the update, should I also recalibrate/remeasure audyssey to get the benefit?
BTW, I run my PSB stratus Silveri fronts channels off an old Harmon Kardon Citation 24 amp, the PSB center and sides off the 3009. I figure that with a separate amps pulling the biggest speakers, the Onkyo has plenty of breathing room. The SVS PC12+ and PB12+ power themselves, and also take a load off the amps by handling the low frequencies where speakers would typically pose the most difficult loads.

Hi FilmMixer.

I am looking for an AV receiver so I would value your opinion.

I believe you recently sold your Onkyo 5009 and replaced it with a Denon 4311CI. Which one do you prefer? Is there some other AV receiver you prefer over those?

Finally, what is your setup?

Thanks,

Kokishin

Here is an unusual fact in my case. Since I purchased the 3009 I have used various amps to power my front three channels. As I stated above I had a Emo upa-1 and upa-2 nice amps but other than being dedicated amps not really more powerful than the onks. I always seemed to be concerned about how dudessey would balance out. I constantly had to adjust the subs and center which never seemed quit ritght. Last week I removed the emos and re set audessey. I must say there was a trementous improvement all around center subs surrounds sounded way better than I ever had. My unprofessional guess that mabey the emo amps and the prior small ones were not a good match for the Onkyo. I was thinking of going with an EMO XPA-5 but now reluctant to make a change if anything might upgrade my front l/r speakeers instead.

Joe:

Thankjs for the feedback. I kinda figured thats where you would go. I sold the Emos yesterday they are popular and go fast. I definately think they are a great value but a bit over rated. Even the xpa-3 or 5 would not do the job as would a higher quality amp as you suggest. Though I am quite happpy with the way the onk amps sound at present and could got the quality amp route mabey in the future. I still think I am going to tru to upgrade my nice B&W 685's a bit. Looking at the 683's if I can swing it soon.

You'll probably hear a bigger difference upgrading your speakers rather than adding an external amp. The Onkyo's internal amps are of good quality, only the most inefficient speakers will make them stumble.

For those who may not know, Dudessey is the Audyssey special preset for playback of "The Big Lebowski."

AJ

excuse me I forgot the error police were watching

Well, now you know.