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post #151 of 263
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Originally Posted by keenan View Post

Massive Attack's Splitting the Atom


Wow! Thanks dude. Some seriously trippy stuff; have to investigate them further.
post #152 of 263
That tune has been stuck in my head from the first episode.
post #153 of 263
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

That tune has been stuck in my head from the first episode.

Same here, and it's one of those that I listen to all the way through, no skipping ahead. HBO seems to almost always come up with some great opening theme music. Massive Attack tracks/clips have been used before in various shows over the years. Hearing one of their tracks in a TV show is actually what got me interested their music, a lot of good stuff in their catalog along with several different guest vocalists over the years.
post #154 of 263
Last Sunday's episode - sure does look like the cast will be minus one character
A scene right out of the Soprano's - a boat, a body, the water & "this is business"
post #155 of 263
I felt bad for the guy, I'm not sure he ever really knew what he was in to.
post #156 of 263
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Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post

I think DW & Boardwalk Empire were better. But this is still a winner.

I'm glad I stuck it out with this show. I have friends that love horses but couldn't hang in there with this show. If the writers could have made Ace's motives more clear that would have helped me. I understand degenerate gamblers and hore racing but not Ace's involvement because it seems complicated. The only shows HBO has done that were duds for me are JFC and True Blood and why I have to have HBO on Sunday's. I hope this series gets another chance next season.
post #157 of 263
It's already been given a renewal for a second season.
post #158 of 263
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertain...icle-1.1038640

Another horse injured and euthanized during production of HBO racetrack drama 'Luck'
Cable network agrees to suspend filming with horses while accident is investigated

LOS ANGELES - A horse was injured and euthanized Tuesday during production of the racetrack drama "Luck," the third death in connection with the series, and HBO agreed to suspend filming with horses while the accident is investigated.

The humane group that oversees Hollywood productions had issued an immediate demand "that all production involving horses shut down."...........
post #159 of 263
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Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post

Last Sunday's episode - sure does look like the cast will be minus one character
A scene right out of the Soprano's - a boat, a body, the water & "this is business"

I know! Can't believe they already killed off "the kid" already! I guess they did it to show Mike is not merely a gangster/adversary of Ace's, but a full-on psychopath as well. Even his partners were shocked. No wonder Ace wants to destroy him (somehow...). Usually the show ends with Ace and Gus having some "pillow talk" in Ace's room before retiring, but this time Ace went off to his room by himself and Gus let him go. Ace (and Gus, too) probably know Nathan met a bad end, and it's his fault for underestimating Mike. It's on now, baby!

Jerry got "lucky" twice in this episode! Wondered how long it would take before he hooked up with Naomi, and she did make a pretty dumb mistake (especially for a casino dealer who presumably would know how to play the game) during the qualifying tourney that allowed Jerry to get a seat in the World Poker Championships. Interesting. You don't suppose Leo Chan is using Naomi to set him up...? "You thinking with wrong head Jereeee!"

As to the latest (third, now) horse euthanized because of accidents during filming, the article I read mentioned that sort of thing is not that unusual; you just don't normally hear about it unless you're immersed in that world. And it sounds like the producers have gone above and beyond in terms of trying to protect the horses and satisfy the requirements of the Humane Society. Clearly, Milch & Co. dearly love the beasts.
post #160 of 263
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Originally Posted by dm145 View Post

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertain...icle-1.1038640

Another horse injured and euthanized during production of HBO racetrack drama 'Luck'
Cable network agrees to suspend filming with horses while accident is investigated

LOS ANGELES - A horse was injured and euthanized Tuesday during production of the racetrack drama "Luck," the third death in connection with the series, and HBO agreed to suspend filming with horses while the accident is investigated.

The humane group that oversees Hollywood productions had issued an immediate demand "that all production involving horses shut down."...........

In fairness, the horse was not "injured during production". The incident took place in the stables and was not directly related to production. Supposedly the horse reared and fell, sustaining a head injury. This type thing could happen anywhere, and race horses are very unpredictable. No doubt though, that the animal rights groups will try to spin this to serve their political agenda.
post #161 of 263
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

No doubt though, that the animal rights groups will try to spin this to serve their political agenda.

And what "political agenda" might that be? To stop any further production of horse racing films or television shows? Glad the Secretariat and Seabiscuit movies got made before their diabolical plans were implemented. Heaven forbid their "agenda" might actually be protecting animals from abuse.
post #162 of 263
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

And what "political agenda" might that be? To stop any further production of horse racing films or television shows?

I'm sure I'll get the skewer for this, but I'd be happy if we stopped exploiting horses for the sole purpose of betting $$$ (dogs too.) Exploiting them for the purpose of making a show about exploiting them for betting is an even worse offense.

IMO, Horse racing is about one degree away from bull "fighting."

At least in Game o'Thrones the horse abuse was faked (I hope.)

PS: Don't bother flaming away. Clearly I'm not watching this show anyway ... and won't be back to the thread until/if another horse dies.
post #163 of 263
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

And what "political agenda" might that be? To stop any further production of horse racing films or television shows? Glad the Secretariat and Seabiscuit movies got made before their diabolical plans were implemented. Heaven forbid their "agenda" might actually be protecting animals from abuse.

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Originally Posted by HDTVChallenged View Post

I'm sure I'll get the skewer for this, but I'd be happy if we stopped exploiting horses for the sole purpose of betting $$$ (dogs too.) Exploiting them for the purpose of making a show about exploiting them for betting is an even worse offense.

IMO, Horse racing is about one degree away from bull "fighting."

At least in Game o'Thrones the horse abuse was faked (I hope.)

PS: Don't bother flaming away. Clearly I'm not watching this show anyway ... and won't be back to the thread until/if another horse dies.

Most "animal rights" groups are political in nature. It may come as a shock to some people that "protecting" animals is not their main purpose. Gaining support and increasing donations usually comes first, and any chance to garner free press for their group is instantly seized. Movie and TV productions are easy targets for gaining that free press. All they have to do is jump up and down and proclaim "abuse" and "neglect" and they see increased donations.

Where are these groups and their money with respect to the thousands of neglected and abused animals that suffer and die every day at the hands of people who don't have the deep pockets of a production company?

Short sighted groups may attack a production company for animal injuries, but what if the production is actually trying to expose some of the neglect and abuse that occurs in a setting like racing? Horses are injured in racing every day, are these groups going after the racing people?

Point being that it's not all black and white, and political action groups are not the best source for accurate information. More often than not they are out for themselves, not the animals.

I'm in complete agreement that racing animals is stupid and ultimately "inhumane", but attacking a production company is not helping the animals.

End of sermon.
post #164 of 263
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Originally Posted by HDTVChallenged View Post

I'm sure I'll get the skewer for this, but I'd be happy if we stopped exploiting horses for the sole purpose of betting $$$ (dogs too.)

Agreed.

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Originally Posted by HDTVChallenged View Post

Exploiting them for the purpose of making a show about exploiting them for betting is an even worse offense.

Completely disagree. Shedding light on atrocities is the best way to combat them.
post #165 of 263
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

Most "animal rights" groups are political in nature. It may come as a shock to some people that "protecting" animals is not their main purpose. Gaining support and increasing donations usually comes first, and any chance to garner free press for their group is instantly seized. Movie and TV productions are easy targets for gaining that free press. All they have to do is jump up and down and proclaim "abuse" and "neglect" and they see increased donations.

Where are these groups and their money with respect to the thousands of neglected and abused animals that suffer and die every day at the hands of people who don't have the deep pockets of a production company?

Short sighted groups may attack a production company for animal injuries, but what if the production is actually trying to expose some of the neglect and abuse that occurs in a setting like racing? Horses are injured in racing every day, are these groups going after the racing people?

Point being that it's not all black and white, and political action groups are not the best source for accurate information. More often than not they are out for themselves, not the animals.

I'm in complete agreement that racing animals is stupid and ultimately "inhumane", but attacking a production company is not helping the animals.

End of sermon.

Some problems I see with your reasoning:

1. This is a general observation on any single issue agenda driven organization, but you pretend it's only true for one.

2. False premise that "political" is bad. In our world, political is all - no other option. Engineers don't build bridges, politicians do (wasn't always so, even in my lifetime.)

3. "Animal Rights" is a large concept, like may others. Many ways to approach it - collect and study; work behind scenes; protest publicly; sabotage and disrupt; the list goes on. This is true for many general agendas, and it's equally unfair to paint all with a brush aimed at a few.
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post #167 of 263
Whoa Nellie!
post #168 of 263
Great job HBO.
post #169 of 263
Well, that's sucks.

According to the LA Times they were already filming into the 2nd season, I wonder if we'll ever see any of those episodes.

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Though the first season of "Luck," which is still airing, had only nine episodes, the currently filming second season would have 10 episodes.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/show...death-hbo.html
post #170 of 263
I bet HBO wouldn't have pulled the plug if the ratings had been better.
post #171 of 263
An ironic show title.
post #172 of 263
That's 3 Milch shows in a row that have bit the dust prematurely, the guy must have a black cloud following him around.
post #173 of 263
not a big loss... The series that is.
post #174 of 263
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I bet HBO wouldn't have pulled the plug if the ratings had been better.

Sucks! I'm so pissed. It's definitely about the ratings and overall lack of buzz. Dead horses my ass. Let's cancel the James Bond movies because stunt men died on the last production
What a crock.

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That's 3 Milch shows in a row that have bit the dust prematurely, the guy must have a black cloud following him around.

There had better be some closure or I'll never watch a Milch show again-- until its established and then on BD.
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not a big loss... The series that is.

That's your opinion. ...and probably of many others but not mine. I think it would have picked up an audience given a chance and seeing how it has been coming together.

The dead horses excuse is just nonsense. They caved.

I can't stand hearing from those who think horse racing is cruel. Take a hike. That's my opinion. I bet they enjoy boxing- but that's not the point. People in the film industry take every care possible to protect these animals today. And the horse industry loves their animals and will do anything for them. I can cite many real examples-- like the one that was portrayed in this past weeks episode-- with the saving of old horses. I have friends, trainers, who have spent their own time and money rescuing retired horses from slaughter and relocating them to a long happy retirement.

The problem is, the wrong people watched the show and expected something different and dragged it down with their whining- not just here but on all of the entertainment "bloggs" where it's seen and registered. It would have been better if the haters would have gotten lost sooner and let the targeted demo build-- like other cable shows have done.
post #175 of 263
Whats next, are they going to cancel the Godfather?
post #176 of 263
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Originally Posted by keenan View Post

That's 3 Milch shows in a row that have bit the dust prematurely, the guy must have a black cloud following him around.

+1 on that. Maybe now he & HBO can go finish Deadwood
post #177 of 263
I'll "bet" they wouldn't have cancelled if their accountants & lawyers figured they could absorb the legal costs and still make money on 600,000 viewers. If # of viewers were in Soprano territory, they probably would have ate the legal costs and continued on.

Too bad the show was starting to fall into place & you could see a lot of potential for the story. I liked it. As far as the horse deaths are concerned, I share in the feeling of being sad it occurred and the fact there were 3 of them is a bit hard to rationalize but accidents do happen and risks are a part of life. Vic Morrow was killed filming the movie version of Twilight Zone doing a stunt. Racing fans have witnessed the deaths of stars like Earnhardt, Aryton Senna in F1, a number of Indy 500 deaths over the years and the latest, Dan Wheldon at last yr's Indy race at Las Vegas. Every one is sad but that doesn't stop the sport or fans like me from enjoying it; the risks are accepted as part of the sport. Football players who break legs, on & on. That's sports, horses or people, no difference!

hope we don't get another Sopranos non-ending - Dustin Hoffman steps onto Mike's yacht and....blank screen. That would suck.
post #178 of 263
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Originally Posted by LL3HD View Post

Sucks! I'm so pissed. It's definitely about the ratings and overall lack of buzz.

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I'll "bet" they wouldn't have cancelled if their accountants & lawyers figured they could absorb the legal costs and still make money on 600,000 viewers.

I don't think it's about the ratings. As a pay channel, the correlation between show ratings and likelihood of cancellation is a lot looser than on ad-supported channels. Obviously HBO wants audiences for its shows because bigger audiences means more subscribers and higher subscriber retention but if HBO is ratings-driven, why did it place a second season order days after the premiere with its underwhelming ratings? If ratings is what HBO cared about, it could have waited to see if ratings would drop or increase before renewing but they didn't, it greenlit season 2 almost immediately after the premiere.

I think the reason for the cancellation is far more mundane and practical. It canceled because key actors and behind-the-camera personnel couldn't wait for an investigation and production safety changes. It was already shooting the second season and actors, directors, editors aren't necessarily going to be available whenever production resumed.

And I'm a bit shocked by the cavalier attitude toward the death of three horses or the notion that animal deaths on production is somehow inevitable and that people who are unhappy with these deaths are unreasonable or asking for the impossible. Spielberg managed to shoot War Horse, which has many intense and grueling scenes with horses, without a single loss of an animal. How many horses died during the filming of the movie Secretariat, which featured numerous racing scenes? None. There's no reason that a properly managed production should result in the death of an animal, let alone THREE of them. I certainly don't buy HBO's excuses that the deaths were unavoidable and due to chance. Almost all cases of on set production accidents, whether it involves people or animals, can be traced to faulty or sloppy practices and that suspicion is heightened when lightning struck not once, not twice but three times. One death is maybe bad luck but three separate incidents pointed to something wrong with the production.
post #179 of 263
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Originally Posted by peterlee View Post

I don't think it's about the ratings. As a pay channel, the correlation between show ratings and likelihood of cancellation is a lot looser than on ad-supported channels. Obviously HBO wants audiences for its shows because bigger audiences means more subscribers and higher subscriber retention but if HBO is ratings-driven, why did it place a second season order days after the premiere with its underwhelming ratings? If ratings is what HBO cared about, it could have waited to see if ratings would drop or increase before renewing but they didn't, it greenlit season 2 almost immediately after the premiere.

I think the reason for the cancellation is far more mundane and practical. It canceled because key actors and behind-the-camera personnel couldn't wait for an investigation and production safety changes. It was already shooting the second season and actors, directors, editors aren't necessarily going to be available whenever production resumed.

And I'm a bit shocked by the cavalier attitude toward the death of three horses or the notion that animal deaths on production is somehow inevitable and that people who are unhappy with these deaths are unreasonable or asking for the impossible. Spielberg managed to shoot War Horse, which has many intense and grueling scenes with horses, without a single loss of an animal. How many horses died during the filming of the movie Secretariat, which featured numerous racing scenes? None. There's no reason that a properly managed production should result in the death of an animal, let alone THREE of them. I certainly don't buy HBO's excuses that the deaths were unavoidable and due to chance. Almost all cases of on set production accidents, whether it involves people or animals, can be traced to faulty or sloppy practices and that suspicion is heightened when lightning struck not once, not twice but three times. One death is maybe bad luck but three separate incidents pointed to something wrong with the production.

Nice post. There's potential for huge backlash with the deaths. Like it or not, that's the world we live in. My guess is pretty simple and obvious - after the first two deaths were made public, HBO told them one more and you're done. They're done.
post #180 of 263
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Around 800 racehorses die each year from fatal injuries suffered on US racetracks. An additional number of approximately 3,566 sustain injuries so bad that they cannot finish their races. Several breeding and horse handling abuses contribute to the great risk of death and injury that horses face.
http://www.idausa.org/facts/racing.html

Horses dying at race tracks is common, I agree with Larry, HBO caved to negative PR from a fringe outfit that knows how to make a lot noise. Better shut down all dog racing as well, and while were at it, shut down boxing, and oh yeah, stop breeding dogs to all these insane variations from the original, many of these breeding practices create animals that are inherently physically and mentally damaged due to their screwed up genes.

Also, NBC really should stop broadcasting the Triple Crown races and we all should stop eating any sort of meat, think how much that screws up a chicken or cows life...
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