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At the end of the day, 6000000:1 still gives an modified ANSI contrast reading of around 2000:1 unless local dimming is involved.

Updating an old saw...

"There are lies, damned LIES, and CONTRAST RATIOS"...
post #242 of 3154
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Originally Posted by chiefrocka View Post

Soooo, long time lurker here.

I got a chance to go to the Magnolia section in Best Buy last night, and they had this TV set up in a room by itself.

I asked the Magnolia dude if he could put some content on it for me as it wasn't showing anything at the time. He popped a BluRay of War of the Worlds into what I believe was an Oppo player.

He jumped ahead in the movie to get to more action heavy scenes, and the SOE was terrible. He went into the menu and turned off the smoothing and something else, and said "there you go". He dimmed the lights and let me watch as much as I wanted.

I have to say that my first impression of this beast was not very good. The picture was filled with grain, and quite blown out.

The question I have is, never having a calibrated set myself, how much does calibration solve these things? I'm sure the blown out colors can be solved, but what about the terrible snowy picture? I was sitting about 12 to 13 feet away, and it was not pretty.

Thanks!

I don't think it's fair to the customer or the TV manufacturer to have their product judged by how a retail store displays and sets up the unit. Having been a video fan for over 30 years, I can't count the horror stories I could tell you about how badly some products are misrepresented. Much better to look for insightful professional reviews like those from Chad and make sure that the store you buy it from has a liberal return policy. Also, make sure you understand the fundamentals of setting up a TV. If not, find someone knowledgable to set it up for you.

I have the LC-80LE632U and have been enjoying it for the past week. This, being my 10th Hi-Def LCD is BY FAR, the best set yet! Decently set up and watched from the correct distance it has a marvellous picture. I am not aware of any added noise not contributed by the content itself (make SURE that the sharpness is turned to the neutral '0' setting as that will definitely introduce some nasty visual effects if set too high). As a final test, I have watched 3 Pixar cartoons in the last few days (Monsters Inc, Toy Story 3, and The Incredibles). Those films are absolutely clean and totally grain free - proof positive that the Sharp does not itself introduce additional grain or noise, providing the TV is set up correctly.

I'm still, however, puzzled and disappointed why so many people knock 'added interpolated frames' calling it SOE. I remember clearly as a young kid going to the movie theatre and frequently being disappointed when the camera started panning. Sharpness became pathetic and the motion judder drove me crazy. The illusion was totally destroyed for me. This is 90 year old technology folks. The ONLY thing that saves the pathetic 24 fps is the fact that the motion frames are so blurry that you usually don't notice that the rate is too low. I personally can't wait until we progress to 30, or even better, 60 FPS. Just my two bits - but I LOVE being able to smooth out the 24 FPS presentations (especially 1h11m of Casino Royale when the card table is panned - HORRIBLE!).
Take a look outside your window folks! Reality is SMOOTH! Why wouldn't you want your films to look as realistic. I'm sure that in 10 Years or so, this argument will be moot as we will finally have progressed to a reasonable approximation of reality, not just in sharpness but also in motion.
post #243 of 3154
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Originally Posted by billdag View Post

Decently set up and watched from the correct distance it has a marvellous picture.

How far from your TV are you sitting? I'm about 11 feet away, and can't decide between the 70 or 80
post #244 of 3154
Sorry if this has been covered, I searched and came up with nothing, but does anyone know if the xxLE632 series can accept and properly display Full Range RGB (0-255) from a PC via HDMI?

If so, is there a trick to it, renaming of inputs etc.?

Thank You,
Jason
post #245 of 3154
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Originally Posted by badhabittv View Post

subscribing.

I am SO close to buying this TV. I actually registered on this site to research it.

Great set for the cost $$$
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post #246 of 3154
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Originally Posted by billdag View Post

I don't think it's fair to the customer or the TV manufacturer to have their product judged by how a retail store displays and sets up the unit. Having been a video fan for over 30 years, I can't count the horror stories I could tell you about how badly some products are misrepresented. Much better to look for insightful professional reviews like those from Chad and make sure that the store you buy it from has a liberal return policy. Also, make sure you understand the fundamentals of setting up a TV. If not, find someone knowledgable to set it up for you.

I have the LC-80LE632U and have been enjoying it for the past week. This, being my 10th Hi-Def LCD is BY FAR, the best set yet! Decently set up and watched from the correct distance it has a marvellous picture. I am not aware of any added noise not contributed by the content itself (make SURE that the sharpness is turned to the neutral '0' setting as that will definitely introduce some nasty visual effects if set too high). As a final test, I have watched 3 Pixar cartoons in the last few days (Monsters Inc, Toy Story 3, and The Incredibles). Those films are absolutely clean and totally grain free - proof positive that the Sharp does not itself introduce additional grain or noise, providing the TV is set up correctly.

I'm still, however, puzzled and disappointed why so many people knock 'added interpolated frames' calling it SOE. I remember clearly as a young kid going to the movie theatre and frequently being disappointed when the camera started panning. Sharpness became pathetic and the motion judder drove me crazy. The illusion was totally destroyed for me. This is 90 year old technology folks. The ONLY thing that saves the pathetic 24 fps is the fact that the motion frames are so blurry that you usually don't notice that the rate is too low. I personally can't wait until we progress to 30, or even better, 60 FPS. Just my two bits - but I LOVE being able to smooth out the 24 FPS presentations (especially 1h11m of Casino Royale when the card table is panned - HORRIBLE!).
Take a look outside your window folks! Reality is SMOOTH! Why wouldn't you want your films to look as realistic. I'm sure that in 10 Years or so, this argument will be moot as we will finally have progressed to a reasonable approximation of reality, not just in sharpness but also in motion.

I agree with you, the "SOE" to me makes it look more realistic. I've gone through great efforts(check out the PC section) to try to replicate this "motionflow" on 60hz with a PC and AVIsynth. I love it and everyone is entitled to their opinions.
post #247 of 3154
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post


Great set for the cost $$$

Judging from the responses in this thread it appears that everyone who has purchased this set is happy with it. The only complaints are coming from people seeing it in the store. I have to admit, when seeing it at my local best buy the image did not look quite as sharp as other TV's in the magnolia section. Tuning this tv seems to be very important.

I currently have a 65" Panasonic viera which I love, but the seating in my media room is about 11-13 feet away so the 65" is just a bit too small for my liking. For the experts on here, if I chose to upgrade is it pretty safe to say I will be happy with this tv compared to my current Viera? How well will this set work with Xbox/ps3/pc gaming?
post #248 of 3154
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Originally Posted by badhabittv View Post

Judging from the responses in this thread it appears that everyone who has purchased this set is happy with it. The only complaints are coming from people seeing it in the store. I have to admit, when seeing it at my local best buy the image did not look quite as sharp as other TV's in the magnolia section. Tuning this tv seems to be very important.

I currently have a 65" Panasonic viera which I love, but the seating in my media room is about 11-13 feet away so the 65" is just a bit too small for my liking. For the experts on here, if I chose to upgrade is it pretty safe to say I will be happy with this tv compared to my current Viera? How well will this set work with Xbox/ps3/pc gaming?

I can't comment on how you'll like moving to an LCD from a Plasma as I have not owned a Plasma. I am well aware of their strengths but I love the POP and gorgeous pure whites you get with modern LCD sets. I will say this though, I consider myself a fairly critical discerning viewer and I am not aware of ANY motion or trailing issues with newer LCD sets.

I have a PS3 and a quad core PC hooked up to it and it works perfectly with both. Be sure to have the TV set to GAME or PC to reduce lag to negligible levels.

If you still have doubts, please refer to a previous post by me in this section which has a link to critical motion tests written by the president of 'DisplayMate'.
post #249 of 3154
It looks like the timing of this set could not be better. If we're lucky I'm about 4-6 weeks out from our downstairs remodel being done. As it relates to the media room (not dedicated HT), the room is 22' long x 14' wide, and I'm thinking we'll be sitting between 12-14 feet away. Seems to me this would be the perfect TV, especially since light will not be perfectly controlled at all times (though I intend to get a curtain for the large opening on the side of the room and shade for the window). TV would be centered on the wall in the first picture (note the prewiring cables).





In speaking with the contractor today he was asking me whether I'd like to do a built in look, which presumably would mean bumping out the wall that is around the TV (I don't intend to do a full wall custom cabinet). I have a couple of concerns with this.

1.) I'm essentially tied to a TV this size in the room. Theoretically I'd be able to go smaller, but if I ever go bigger (unlikely without moving to a projector) I'm hosed. Do I really think I'll be changing this TV out often - heck no.

2.) Ventilation - I'm assuming it would be better for the TV to have better ventilation.

I think the viewing distance lines up to be ideal, but would love feedback on whether we should go w/ the built-in look and whether that would negatively impact the life of the tv.

[edit] I just realized this concept would work really well if we wanted to have an HD fish tank running in the background on the built in TV - could look pretty sweet. Perhaps I should really consider this.
post #250 of 3154
TV mfgs recommend at least 4" clearance around the edges and top of the set for ventilation.

I sell tvs and on a daily basis have customers who went with the "built-in-look" a few years ago or have a very expensive armoire or entertainment center they won't give up who cannot fit a large enough tv for their viewing distances.

I know this doesn't sound like it would be a problem if you're going to have an 80" set, but what happens if 5 years from now somebody brings out a 4k resolution front projector that can do glasses-free flawless 3D in normal room lighting thrown onto a 140" screen at a total cost of $2k?

Sounds ludicrous but 5 years ago nobody would have thought you could ever get an 80" flat panel for under 5k.

If you really want to "frame" the new set maybe a better way would be simple and relatively easily removable shelving around the set rather than a permanent wall niche.
post #251 of 3154
I myself would never build around one distinct Display for a remodel
mount it on the wall & enjoy . U never know there might be a 120" LCD in a few years
post #252 of 3154
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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

I myself would never build around one distinct Display for a remodel
mount it on the wall & enjoy . U never know there might be a 120" LCD in a few years

Amen. My first "home theater" display was a 60" 4x3 RPTV. Thinking it could get no better, I had a cabinet built around that set, with the enclosure perfect--to roll that TV in and out.

When I decided to go to a projector, I had to mount the screen from the cabinet, and it hung over the TV. Since the cabinet had an enclosure for a center channel speaker above the monitor, I had to get an acoustically transparent screen. When I decided to upgrade to a bigger and better center channel, we had to cut the cabinet up. Eventually, the cabinet (which was a serious piece of custom furniture) had to get ripped out.

Flexibility is a big deal.

Thanks,

Nick
post #253 of 3154
Thanks for the feedback guys. No soffit/niche it is. That was my initial gut, now I feel better for leaving it that way.

On to mounting this, haven't seen much in the thread. I am looking for something that will be rather flat. Chatted w/ a CSR at Monoprice and he suggested taking a look at Product ID 5918 - 800x400 Vesa. The product has a massive warning stating if the TV has rear-facing connectors it might be a problem (does these face rear or down?). So, looking for suggestions on mounts that work for this that are as tight as possible to the wall without making the connections an issue. I'm assuming a few other folks are as well. Thanks again!
post #254 of 3154
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Thanks for the feedback guys. No soffit/niche it is. That was my initial gut, now I feel better for leaving it that way.

On to mounting this, haven't seen much in the thread. I am looking for something that will be rather flat. Chatted w/ a CSR at Monoprice and he suggested taking a look at Product ID 5918 - 800x400 Vesa. The product has a massive warning stating if the TV has rear-facing connectors it might be a problem (does these face rear or down?). So, looking for suggestions on mounts that work for this that are as tight as possible to the wall without making the connections an issue. I'm assuming a few other folks are as well. Thanks again!

Sanus LL11-B1 is the flatest you can get for this set
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Originally Posted by StompAWOT View Post

Thanks for the feedback guys. No soffit/niche it is. That was my initial gut, now I feel better for leaving it that way.

On to mounting this, haven't seen much in the thread. I am looking for something that will be rather flat. Chatted w/ a CSR at Monoprice and he suggested taking a look at Product ID 5918 - 800x400 Vesa. The product has a massive warning stating if the TV has rear-facing connectors it might be a problem (does these face rear or down?). So, looking for suggestions on mounts that work for this that are as tight as possible to the wall without making the connections an issue. I'm assuming a few other folks are as well. Thanks again!

there are 90 degree HDMI cable ends out there
post #256 of 3154
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Originally Posted by StompAWOT View Post

Thanks for the feedback guys. No soffit/niche it is. That was my initial gut, now I feel better for leaving it that way.

On to mounting this, haven't seen much in the thread. I am looking for something that will be rather flat. Chatted w/ a CSR at Monoprice and he suggested taking a look at Product ID 5918 - 800x400 Vesa. The product has a massive warning stating if the TV has rear-facing connectors it might be a problem (does these face rear or down?). So, looking for suggestions on mounts that work for this that are as tight as possible to the wall without making the connections an issue. I'm assuming a few other folks are as well. Thanks again!

If you are going to forgo a tilt mount, make sure not to mount the TV too high or low on the wall. Vertical viewing angles can have a negative effect on PQ. Personally, I would use a tilt-capable mount. Completely fixed mounts are best suited for rooms with ideally placed fixed seating positions. Just my opinion, hope it helps.
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Sorry if this has been covered, I searched and came up with nothing, but does anyone know if the xxLE632 series can accept and properly display Full Range RGB (0-255) from a PC via HDMI?

If so, is there a trick to it, renaming of inputs etc.?

Thank You,
Jason

Just put in my TV and Full RGB worked fine. I am using 4:4:4 instead though.

BTW I put this TV up yesterday and it looks great(I'll take some pics). The different scene modes confuse me... there's Auto, Standard, Movie(my fave), Game, PC, Dynamic.

Now each one is radically different, but what do they really do? So far movie is my fave. There is input lag but not too bad, and in Game or PC mode there's no lag at all(big for us gamers). Can someone explain these picture modes and what they are for?
post #258 of 3154
This is the tv I'm set on BUT I just can't seem to pull the trigger for fear of in a few months they will release an 80" with 3D. Do you think they will do this soon and if so how much more do you think it will cost for the 3D version? Maybe by then this version will have dropped in price and the 3d version will come out at the current 80" price?

I'm not a huge 3D guy, but I also don't wanna make a big purchase now only to regret it later not going 3D. I'm anxious to see how the Star Wars movies will look in 3D as Star Wars movies are my favorites. TPM will be out in 3D in February, so only 3 more months on that. If it looks incredible I'd be mad I couldn't watch the 3D version because I didn't wait for a 3D version of the 80". I also enjoy some video games in 3D.
post #259 of 3154
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Originally Posted by Darth Indy View Post

This is the tv I'm set on BUT I just can't seem to pull the trigger for fear of in a few months they will release an 80" with 3D. Do you think they will do this soon and if so how much more do you think it will cost for the 3D version? Maybe by then this version will have dropped in price and the 3d version will come out at the current 80" price?

I'm not a huge 3D guy, but I also don't wanna make a big purchase now only to regret it later not going 3D. I'm anxious to see how the Star Wars movies will look in 3D as Star Wars movies are my favorites. TPM will be out in 3D in February, so only 3 more months on that. If it looks incredible I'd be mad I couldn't watch the 3D version because I didn't wait for a 3D version of the 80". I also enjoy some video games in 3D.

Sharp's website seems to indicate that the next two 80 inchers will be the 120hz quad pixel and the 240hz quad pixel. Don't see anything for a 3d 80 incher. Of course neither of the above may come out and if they do no telling in which order they will be released.
post #260 of 3154
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Originally Posted by Darth Indy View Post

This is the tv I'm set on BUT I just can't seem to pull the trigger for fear of in a few months they will release an 80" with 3D. Do you think they will do this soon and if so how much more do you think it will cost for the 3D version? Maybe by then this version will have dropped in price and the 3d version will come out at the current 80" price?

I'm not a huge 3D guy, but I also don't wanna make a big purchase now only to regret it later not going 3D. I'm anxious to see how the Star Wars movies will look in 3D as Star Wars movies are my favorites. TPM will be out in 3D in February, so only 3 more months on that. If it looks incredible I'd be mad I couldn't watch the 3D version because I didn't wait for a 3D version of the 80". I also enjoy some video games in 3D.

You seem to enjoy 3D, so I would at least wait until CES in January to hear what Sharp has planned. Despite the many here that do not care for it, it is simply not going to go away. It creates another option for the manufactures to sell new TVs, and creates another stream of revenue for the movie companies. George Lucas can now sell you another version of a movie you already own. Just wait until he releases it in 4K resolution next year, and then the definitive 4K 3D HD Master version the next..
When they remastered Star Wars they went with 4K resolution, so if he was to someday sell you an 8K version, he will have to convert from the original 35MM master.
post #261 of 3154
im guessing mid to late 2012 before you see an 80 inch 3d set
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post #263 of 3154
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Originally Posted by ordo View Post

Sharp's website seems to indicate that the next two 80 inchers will be the 120hz quad pixel and the 240hz quad pixel. Don't see anything for a 3d 80 incher. Of course neither of the above may come out and if they do no telling in which order they will be released.

Where did you see this? Could you post a link please? I'm not seeing anything about this.
post #264 of 3154
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Originally Posted by Suzook View Post

im guessing mid to late 2012 before you see an 80 inch 3d set

Well, they surprised everybody with this 80 inch TV - maybe they'll surprise us again - with 80 inch 3D this time If I have to wait another year - I don't know what I'm gonna do
post #265 of 3154
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Originally Posted by Bahn Yuki View Post

Just put in my TV and Full RGB worked fine. I am using 4:4:4 instead though.

So you were able to calibrate with test patterns and the tv resolved the full range from 0-255?

I have an LE632 and cannot get it to resolve full range RGB via HDMI, even when using the GAME or PC modes and my PC directly connected.

I was thinking there might be some trick to it, like the Samsungs where a renaming of the mode/input is required.

I'm sure the VGA input is full range RGB as that is the spec but I don't want to go that route as the image is degraded vs. HDMI.

Thank You,
Jason
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Originally Posted by vladi123456 View Post

Well, they surprised everybody with this 80 inch TV - maybe they'll surprise us again - with 80 inch 3D this time If I have to wait another year - I don't know what I'm gonna do

Just 2 months + 2 days to the CES.
post #267 of 3154
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Originally Posted by Darth Indy View Post

This is the tv I'm set on BUT I just can't seem to pull the trigger for fear of in a few months they will release an 80" with 3D. Do you think they will do this soon and if so how much more do you think it will cost for the 3D version? Maybe by then this version will have dropped in price and the 3d version will come out at the current 80" price?

I'm not a huge 3D guy, but I also don't wanna make a big purchase now only to regret it later not going 3D. I'm anxious to see how the Star Wars movies will look in 3D as Star Wars movies are my favorites. TPM will be out in 3D in February, so only 3 more months on that. If it looks incredible I'd be mad I couldn't watch the 3D version because I didn't wait for a 3D version of the 80". I also enjoy some video games in 3D.

I'd also say hold on a bit. I'm hoping to see this set include 3D and would be disappointed if it does not.
post #268 of 3154
if something is announced at CES then its typical to have 4 to 6 months before it arrives to buy. So if you can wait until July you will likeky be rewarded
post #269 of 3154
So this weekend, I tried the settings shown by Rage2. THANK YOU! It looks great - I think the settings transferred well from one TV to another. It was a vast improvement over the Dynamic that the installer left me with (ok, I guess delivery person would be a better word for him) and the Auto that I set up. Everyone once in awhile, I can see a person's face that I wish was just a TAD redder, but other than that, it's WONDERFUL. A vast improvement that really made me fall in love with the set. THANK YOU AGAIN!
For those wondering, we sit about 10 feet away. We upgraded from the 65" Sharp SE. I appreciate the help from Rage2 and Billdag, as I am not as technical as most of you - just someone who likes my TV as big as I can get it.
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So this weekend, I tried the settings shown by Rage2. THANK YOU! It looks great - I think the settings transferred well from one TV to another. It was a vast improvement over the Dynamic that the installer left me with (ok, I guess delivery person would be a better word for him) and the Auto that I set up. Everyone once in awhile, I can see a person's face that I wish was just a TAD redder, but other than that, it's WONDERFUL. A vast improvement that really made me fall in love with the set. THANK YOU AGAIN!
For those wondering, we sit about 10 feet away. We upgraded from the 65" Sharp SE. I appreciate the help from Rage2 and Billdag, as I am not as technical as most of you - just someone who likes my TV as big as I can get it.

I must have missed it, where are the setting that Rage2 posted?
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