Official Sharp AQUOS LC-80LE632U Owners Thread - Page 103

OK - just had a thought (now my head hurts!).......
Cheap cartoons typically use around 10 fps so they do look quite stroboscopic/juddery at the best of times. Been that way since Hanna Barbara in the sixties.
Sometimes networks, in an effort to increase revenue, shorten a movie by editing OR.........speeding up the frame rate. I've seen that several times and THAT could certainly cause problems with some sets depending on how their circuitry handles anomalies like that.
That, plus PVR handshake irregularities, could easily account for the judder you sometimes experience with some sources but not others.

Anyone else get a system updatebon there Tv today? My 80" 33u got update 222u1302091 when I turned it on just now. Anyone know what it's for?

Yup, I installed that same update. Nothing special.

update on 844 as well. just enhancements to smart central apps (I wish they would update the 632 to the same style)
but the apps look no different to me.

I've had this TV for a week now and I have to say I'm not overly impressed with the image quality. I've tried using both the "standard" mode and Suzook settings in this thread.

My observations:

Standard is bright and vibrant, and perhaps good for sports programming, but the colors feel "artificial", much like an old plasma screen.

Suzook is better. However I have two problems I still can't get rid of.
* Whites don't really appear white -- I mean compared to even a white sheet of paper.
* Blacks are relatively bright and don't present as black that well. They look like a really dark grey.
* The image is almost too "dull" on this setting. The tan's are dark, the whites (mentioned above), look almost beige. It is certainly acceptable with the lights off, but just not where I think it should be.

Also on a general note, the image appears less "sharp", almost like pixels are faded together more even on 1080P content. This could just be an offset of the larger (80") screen size pushing the limits more. Certainly text from a PC looks excellent so I can't fault the TV. Ironically, some of the vudo HD encodes almost look better than the HDMI-fed blu-rays.

(Ohh and cmon sharp, Please put amazon instant video and hulu on this thing!)


In any case these are just general observations in comparison to my old 65" 2008-era olevia LCD set. I'm open for any input on how I can improve my experience.

Long time luker, first time poster. I just got one of these delivered today. I think the inside of the screen is cracked? I am hoping more sets of eyes can confirm what I think I am experiencing. Sorry for the blurry picture.

Regardless, the TV is going back.

I dont think its a crack but an extremely bad back light.

Get that sucker replaced asap

Yup ! that's a bad screen

Sorry to see that. Hope you have no issues getting it replaced without hassle.

Yeah, it's pretty rough. Luckily for me, I purposely went through costco rather than other cheaper places. They are sending a new one for the delivery guys to drop off when they pickup the this one. The flashlight spots are one thing, but the dark cross pattern underneath is ingrained in the tv so bad that it shows through on anything that is a moderately dark screen.

I would be in love with the TV if it had even backlighting.

Needless to say I am paranoid now that all versions of this unit are going to have some pretty severe flash lighting. Fingers crossed for the next one.

Sorry to hear you're not as thrilled with your set as I am. Have you tried my settings - post # 2935?
I too find the movie setting quite dull and faded compared to other AV Modes.
Funny thing about eyes is that they have short term residual image retention so that when you switch from a cooler color to a warmer one, the warmer one appears yellowish (Some fanatics call it urine whites!). This disappears after a short time providing you don't keep switching back and forth. I started with standard color temp and have been gradually moving to warmer colors. I've now been watching on LOW for the last month or so and the skin colors have really improved. Sure, I don't get the ultra-pure whites but the creamy white versions don't look bad at all. There are even a couple of commercials that are deliberately cool in color so those whites do look the way I remember from when I used the cooler settings. I have modified a few of the other settings slightly, as well, and this may also account partially for my current contentment with my set's display.
One of my favorite things ever, about LCD's is the way WHITES POP! It has taken me quite a few years to come full circle and realize that there is a price to be paid for those delicious ultra white whites. You are sacrificing realistic colors (especially skin) and tonal gradations elsewhere.
The less than sharp pixels you are referring to may be due to Sharps proprietary split pixel design. Each pixel is actually divided in two and they alternate - upper/lower at less than full brightness, causing something similar to "stationary crawling dot pattern" in the old CRT days with no comb filter. This can only be seen if you're less than 8 feet or so from the screen.
Try setting your sharpness to +1. I do find that the '0' setting looks a little soft particularly with cable programming.
Lastly, you need a bit of subdued lighting to really make the dark areas look great. This is a really important thing to consider to get the best viewing experience out of an LCD set. The LED strings of backlighting are an excellent idea and they are inexpensive.

I'd say that your 1st display was damaged in shipping , Just turn the next one on & inspect the display BEFORE you sign any delivery paper work . This quite easy to do leave the display in it's lower shipping box , use any computer, AVR, power cord to plug it in as it sits in the box & then bring up a dark screen , practice this on the display you have now ,so you know how to quickly bring up the dark screen . IF it is damaged OR fails to pass this test refuse delivery

My latest Costco Connection magazine shows that there is a Sharp LC-80C6500U available in late April.

Is this the next generation?

That's the new 80" non quattron model for 2013 , the 632 replacement

http://www.samsclub.com/sams/80-120hz-led-wifi-1080p-4-hdmi-wifi/prod9300315.ip

Wakee, wakee!! Is everybody sleeping or are we getting towards the end for this thread. It's been a pretty good run - about 20 months for an age when most models barely last a year. Still thrilled with mine after 1-1/2 Yrs. and have no intention of upgrading anytime soon (and THAT"S unusual for me!).
They reviewed the new Sony 4K on S&V and I was NOT surprised when the tester mentioned that any resolution advantage over 1080P disappeared at about 10 feet. You need to sit about 5-1/2 feet to get full advantage of 4K. I don't think LCD technology is at the point where you can sit that close to an 80" screen without pretty big contrast and color losses at the edges of the TV. And....you would be limited to 1 or 2 viewers max.

The contrast level in the Sony XBR-84X900 has had stellar reviews and no where have I read about light fall off with close viewing such as occurs with Sharp 80 and 90" sets at close viewing range. I did read that sitting 6-8 feet is the best way to see the 4K difference in the Sony and any thing further back, the difference between the 4K and 1080p sets is less. For home viewing is 4K necessary? That's a matter of opinion. Black level? Sony is the clear winner but the cost difference is painful. Yes I am a Sony fanboy but I do appreciate the fact that Sharp lead the way with giant screen TVs and the 80" models are a definite value. There's a big difference between $5000 and $25,000. If money were no object, i would chose the Sony. Sadly, it is an object!

From what I've read it sounds like the 80le632 and 80le633 are close to End of Life, to be replaced by edge lit model 80le650. Around CES time it sounded like the consensus was that the new model would have a lessor picture quality because of the edge light versus full array.

Should those of us still on the bench be jumping into the game and grabbing the current models while they are still available? I love the idea of wallpaper mode in the 2013 but if the current models have the better technology at a lower price I think I'm ready to accept they aren't coming down in price any more than they have and it is time. But if things are just incrementing and no big deal i'll hold off until we get our designer to finish figuring out how to change our viewing room around.

There are different types of edge lit TVs: base level where there is no variation in lighting, dynamic edge with local dimming, dynamic edge with frame dimming (Sony uses all 3 edge lit variations in different models with edge local dimming being the best of the edge lit technologies). Samsung uses "micro dimming" on it's better models. I believe all LEDs brighten and darken with this technology. Basic edge dimming would be the least desirable - my opinion, of course.
Edited by steve ans - 4/7/13 at 7:00pm

all the advice I can give is the 632 has had the least amount of problems of ANY display the Sharp line has had in YEARS .
I've had mine over a year now & like Billdag will keep this display for a couple more years because of that .

I myself don't trust the new tech , I will not buy a display until the product is in market for at least 6 months for the bugs to appear . BUT by then all the 632 & 633 will be gone

that's what happened to the 2011 70" displays (backed lighted like the 80" 632 is/was) they were soo much better than the 2012 70"ers (edge lit) in PQ ,that the last remaining stocks increased in price just before they were outta stock everywhere . That last minute demand made the 70" 2011 price spike up in last few weeks of availability .

I agree. Personally, I don't care if a TV is 1, 2 ,3, or 4" thick. What I do care about, is EVEN back-lighting with no clouding. This is very very hard to get on an 80" screen with edge lighting. Full array back-lighting is much easier to control. The ONLY downside to full array lighting is that the TV is a little thicker. I don't know about you but that is NOT a sacrifice I'm willing to make. I have a 42" edge lit LG in my kitchen and its lighting consistency, even in this small size, is considerably poorer than my big Sharp.
If the new sets are edge lit in this size I would RUN and scoop up the full array versions before they are all gone.
Yes, local zone dimming can minimize edge lighting deficiencies but again, not as well, or efficiently, as local zone dimming full array.

But full array local dimming is only available on one TV that I know of: the Sony XBR-HX950 in 55" and 65". With full array local dimming, blooming can be expected in certain scenes. Even the new 4K sets are edge lit local dimming. I have one TV that is basic edge lit and it was one of the first. I have fairly uneven screen uniformity. I'm used to it and don't care at this point since it's a bedroom set and the defects are apparent only in a dark room with certain scenes. My newer TV with edge lit local dimming is about as perfect as you can get. Screen uniformity is very, very nice. I do agree that there is some luck involved in getting a "perfect" screen (praying for no dead/stuck pixels, flash lighting, clouding). However, defects can be corrected during assembly as is being done with the ultra expensive 4K sets.
Edited by steve ans - 4/7/13 at 9:33pm

Good points. Of course technology marches on and improves over time. Still, the point is that there is better potential for local zone dimming done accurately with full array as opposed to edge lit. It's just easier to control, and cheaper. The question is how many zones are there? The more you have, the less likelihood of blooming. My full array local zone Vizio VF551XVT 55" set had a couple of hundred zones (some sets have more and some as few as 80). It worked okay but occasionally, yes, you were aware of some blooming. A bigger problem with the set was that if the scene was largely dark with only a few bright highlights - those highlights would be dimmed considerably over a non-local dimming set. I couldn't believe the difference in night scenes with my 80-632U over the Vizio. A much more satisfying visual experience. The bright highlights really popped and they served at the same time to make the dark areas appear very dark. If I had to chose between the two, the Sharp wins hands down.
I haven't personally experienced newer local zone dimming sets in a suitable environment so I can't comment on newer/different sets.
BTW - I have been a huge Sony fan for many decades and have spent a small fortune on their electronics. Haven't got around to trying their LCD sets yet. Maybe next time.

didn't they quit making local dimming for the above reasons you state ? ?
the Tech couldn't over come the blooming & the lack of detail in a dark scenes that had small bright spots ?

I forgot that Vizio has full array local dimming in some models. Since the very expensive LG and Sony 4K sets are edge lit with local dimming, that would be probably Sharp's best move, too. I have this on my 55" Sony and it works quite well. During letter box movies the top and bottom black bands are inky black. It may not work as well as full array but I have no blooming. I don't know how many zones there are (Sony is very secretive on that) but it is a huge improvement from my basic edge lit TV. Credit rolls are jet black with the white lettering bright white. With edge frame dimming, there are no zones to speak of- everything just darkens and brightens according to content- a less satisfactory experience I have heard. I realize this is a Sharp thread but I thought the different types of edge lit technology would be a good part of the discussion. Here is a UK (albeit Sony) explanation of the different edge technologies. I really think if Sharp is not using the full array led backlighting, then dynamic edge local dimming would be the only way to go. Interesting that edge lit local dimming and frame dimming are lit from the sides and basic led edge lit technology is lit from the bottom.

http://www.sony.co.uk/hub/lcd-television/benefits/tv-picture-quality/article/led-backlighting

However, as most know, when OLED takes off, it will be a whole new experience: no backlighting at all, perfect uniformity, brilliant self-illuminating color. My question is, however, how long will the OLED life span be? No one knows. And I am reading the LG 55" OLED will retail at $12,000.

Don't know but I would not be surprised. Sony is pretty 'Sharp' when it comes to engineering and I'm sure they became aware of Local Dimming's downside very quickly. Only took me a few days after getting my Vizio to realize there was more to it than generally understood. Local Dimming GIVETH but surely TAKETH away as well. Of course, the downside can be reduced or eliminated with enough zones but that gets expensive and there is relentless downward pressure on LCD sets that would make them hard to sell in sufficient quantities to make it worth a company's while. 4K is likely a good place to do it right with intro pricing in the stratosphere already.

OLED holds great promise. I love the display on my little PS Vita. OLED's, however, have a relatively short life compared to CCFL and LED's so that will have to improved. ISF guru's will also have a blast when OLED's become popular as they are well know to display great, bold but inaccurate colors. The true contrast ratios will be unreal - essentially infinite. If they can fix the other two items and get the pricing down to LED level, Plasma may have to say the final Goodbye!

I'm going to a friend's house on Sunday to watch the Masters Golf Tournament on his NEW 60 " Pannie Plasma TC-P60UT50. It will be interesting to compare the overall picture quality with my 80-632U. I'll have the Saturday round for comparison and may record the Sunday one just in case. I got a 2TB stuffed into my Motorola PVR so I got lots of space. Apparently he has his Pannie mounted in a light controlled environment so it should be interesting.

We await your reporting back. When I got my 632 the golf was my acid test for how good my PQ was over my 60" Sharp 88UM ( a great display I wish I hadn't sold BTW )
I actually am thinking of adding a 90"er to my room Place It Right Next to this 80" , so I can have the dual screen option ,

Were you able to enjoy two golf balls for the price of one on your 88UN when 120/240 Hz was engaged?
That was the first anomaly I noticed on my 80-632U, but, of course, as we all know now, the fix was to simply turn of the motion enhancement mode. My 80" Sharp is the only set I've had where I became aware of this effect. I suspect similar circuitry is used across their LCD line.

Were you able to enjoy two golf balls for the price of one on your 88UN when 120/240 Hz was engaged?
That was the first anomaly I noticed on my 80-632U, but, of course, as we all know now, the fix was to simply turn of the motion enhancement mode. My 80" Sharp is the only set I've had where I became aware of this effect. I suspect similar circuitry is used across their LCD line.

no I never had that problem with my 88UM at all BUT again I have my Onkyo set-up to do the processing not the display , never had a lag issue there either . the 88UM & my 632 have acted exactly the same from day one on both . I never set the 120 to high on the 88UM always low