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post #571 of 768

I heard the next shipment of AE drivers will have phase plugs but will be sans cones.  Don't worry though the cones will ship out later and you just glue them on.......  rolleyes.gif

post #572 of 768
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Originally Posted by bg40403 View Post

New customers are being told they will get their drivers 4-6 weeks after payment.

http://www.aespeakers.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3048

A new customer who paid on July 3 was told they would get their order in 4 weeks. As it turned out, he was to get his tracking number for the order on Sept. 17.

http://www.aespeakers.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=3018

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Originally Posted by Ricci View Post

I am patiently waiting for my GB woofers which I have heard nothing about since ordering. I knew this would take forever going in. However hearing that people who are not a large OEM are getting woofers that were ordered way later is really irritating. Im sure it has something to do with parts and availability of the particular woofer he ordered but still.

I was talking with John earlier today for my own various drivers and took a moment to clarify the case above and any others like it. Indeed, the drivers above were IB woofers which share no parts in common to the TD drivers beyond the cast frame. Most other things shipping I've seen have been dipole woofers which are charged at full price and again use different parts. Cash flow coming in from those sorts of small orders and OEM work are what allow him to keep working through the group buy. It's not a perfect situation, and is a result of past happenings and choices, but it's better than the alternate.
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Originally Posted by Ricci View Post

I don't know, that guy probably ordered something completely different from the TD GB woofers like 12" dipole woofers or something. frown.gif

Its just been SOOOO long now. I also have a feeling that John is probably working on the woofers in batches of each model starting with the most numerous quantities first. It would be quicker and easier to get them done that way. Not to mention easier to keep track of what is done. I'm probably going to be at the very back of the line because I ordered all of my woofers at 4ohm with the Apollo motor.

Indeed, it's been ridiculously long. Less than ideal communication on both ends with the steel suppliers and logistic issues are a bulk of the lead time. It sounds like there should be another significant dent in the deliveries by early October, with more parts in process for batches to follow.

On a positive note, John was able to find a local company to machine the phase plugs at a justifiable premium which will save him the machine time and allow him to start catching up with the woofers shipping out.
post #573 of 768
On April 29, 2010 I ordered 10 AV15H woofers from John (paid in full that day) and I received them the 2nd week of April 2011 almost 1 full year later. I see some things just don't change.
post #574 of 768
Every time I start to get annoyed I walk into the garage and realize that he isn't as far behind as I am...3x custom JBL 2206 drivers, 2x eminence 2512, 2x JBL 125A (one to be refoamed), 2x B&C 10HPL51, 2x ewave boards, 2x 4pi XOs (1 unfinished), 2x H290 waveguides, 5x DNA360, 3x 6x6 JBL waveguides, 2x Z19 HF XO sections, 3x seos 12, 3x DNA150, 2x JBL/selenium D220Ti ewave combos, 2X JBL 4647 cabs (empty), 2x JBL L36 cabs (ewave ready) , and 2x DIY ~L100 sized cabs. Yeah, most of that stuff has been around for a year or three and should have been running a long time ago. At least the HT system is up and running.

I believe I have a problem and it may be something other than a lack of spare time....rolleyes.gif
post #575 of 768
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Mark Seaton posted: ...Indeed, the drivers above were IB woofers which share no parts in common to the TD drivers beyond the cast frame....

Mark,

In the 2 links I provided, one of the drivers of interest was identified as a TD12M. The other driver was not identified. Your statement is likely only half true.

I'm accustomed to unforeseen circumstances which make adjustment of expectations prudent. I would even refer to that as a "living" schedule. There is questionable value in efforts to make a situation appear different than it really is.

The TD12M was said on Sept. 6 to be available in 4-6 weeks. We will see in a few weeks if this is a promotion of unrealistic expectations.
Edited by bg40403 - 9/21/12 at 1:22am
post #576 of 768
Today's update, for those interested.





Re: ** Official TD Woofer Group Buy Information **

Postby stryke » Fri Sep 28, 2012 2:13 pm
Many have asked for lead times and estimates of when everything will be shipped out. The honest answer is that I just don't have ability to give concrete dates at this point. I am building drivers in batches and trying to ship batches as regularly as possible. Projecting how long it will take to make woofers is simple when there is a normal parts flow and cash flow. This is not one of those cases. Being behind 7 months on production due to the delay of steel and frames arriving AND having the group buy orders to fill at the same time is a very difficult task. Everything done has to be carefully weighed and equal attention has to be placed on filling back orders as well as continuing to move forward to assure long term viability.

I know some have had concerns about the state of Acoustic Elegance. I can tell you that once these group buy orders are filled the company is in a very good position. A great amount of attention has been put on eliminating risk moving forward. Throughout numerous parts vendor issues, steps have been taken to work with local vendors in other industries and bring other processes in house. Things look very good once the current backlog is filled.

I did just receive back the anodized phase plugs for the TD6's. I will be shipping those next week with the only exceptions being international orders that require other drivers to be finished as well.
post #577 of 768
I would have thought having 50% upfront would do a bit to improve the cash flow.
post #578 of 768
People have waited a year for products they paid 100% up front for. It's the same old A.E. dog and pony show that's been going on for years. Not a company I would ever deal with but that's just me.
post #579 of 768
John's latest post included deletion of several preceding posts...and this response from me which was posted as follow up:

"John,

I acknowledge there are several ways to look at any issue.

You continue to resist to post anything other than what has happened.

You have again deleted valid inquiries from people who want to know about their speakers covered by deposits almost a year ago. How do think that makes them feel?

I now console myself with being an observer to how this plays out. However, I can say that it feels disrespectful on your part to put forth no more effort than you have to provide your customers with your best guess. We are big boys here....and live in the same world...things happen...so why not throw us a bone and salvage some of that respect that is in jeopardy?"

I think (if I haven't spoiled the pot already) I'll hear about my drivers with the request from AE for the balance.
post #580 of 768
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From Mark Seaton: On a positive note, John was able to find a local company to machine the phase plugs at a justifiable premium which will save him the machine time and allow him to start catching up with the woofers shipping out.
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From John: I did just receive back the anodized phase plugs for the TD6's.

You know, there was the greater part of a year to explore a "better" way to make phase plugs. rolleyes.gif And he knew how many were needed!
Edited by bg40403 - 9/28/12 at 10:55pm
post #581 of 768
Just noticed this on another forum

For Sale - "A.E. Vaporware"

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/swap-meet/218897-fs-ae-2xtd10m-2xtd6h.html

That has to be a first! rolleyes.gif
post #582 of 768
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Originally Posted by Ghani99 View Post

Just noticed this on another forum
For Sale - "A.E. Vaporware"
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/swap-meet/218897-fs-ae-2xtd10m-2xtd6h.html
That has to be a first! rolleyes.gif
Actually, it's not.
post #583 of 768
This has been explained before, but 50% up front on a product that was offered at 30% discount equates to 35%. After the massive increase in cost the vendor hit me with this is nowhere near enough to even cover the cost of materials. Every woofer on the group buy accounted for about a 15-25% deficit until the final 50% is collected. The same goes for all the OEM orders that had 50% down payments. The down payments alone were not enough to cover the parts cost. I had put all working capitol I had into this order of parts, assuming a quick turnaround would allow cash flow to quickly resume. When that didn't happen I was left in a very bad position. Again, it takes time to do 7 months worth of machining, building, testing, packaging, shipping, invoicing, etc when everything comes in at once and I am doing the best I can to get through it. The CNC lathe here is the "better" way to make phase plugs, but was held up as a result of the limited cash flow. I didn't choose to have the vendor deliver my parts 7 months late. It has been a complete nightmare for me throughout this whole time, but I am pushing through and not throwing in the towel like many others have.

I have honestly had enough of the ridiculous complaints that have gone way over the top. My time is far better spent building drivers. Throughout this time, my life and the life of my family has been threatened. I have been threatened to be turned into various government agencies for violation of freedom of speech for deleting posts on a thread on my own forum. The purpose of the thread on the forum is to give people updates on the group buy. If it is not an update, it is not going in the thread. There are real freedom of speech issues out country is being faced with right now that are far more worthy of your efforts than the thread for updates on the group buy. I'm going back to building TD6M's now. I will post a further update over the weekend as those are finished up and be getting them shipped next week.

John
post #584 of 768
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Originally Posted by Ghani99 View Post

Just noticed this on another forum
For Sale - "A.E. Vaporware"
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/swap-meet/218897-fs-ae-2xtd10m-2xtd6h.html
That has to be a first! rolleyes.gif

Biased opinion biggrin.gif : seems like a pretty cool way to nab the discount that one might have otherwise missed out on AND cut in the build line thus (theoretically) shaving a chunk of time off the wait for brand new drivers.

Oh, wait, I mean ZOMGLOLWTFBBQ!
post #585 of 768
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but I am pushing through and not throwing in the towel like many others have.

You should. You've proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that you don't have what it takes to run a business.
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I have honestly had enough of the ridiculous complaints that have gone way over the top

Yup, for sure. Everyone else is at fault.
post #586 of 768
^^^^

Chill out. You should have understood the dangers of entering such a group buy and if not the fault of that is your own.
post #587 of 768
Chill out. People need to be aware of what A.E. is.
post #588 of 768
I certainly can understand how and why everyone is frustrated, but it is what it is. Instead of complaining (And whomever is threatening people's lives should be reported to the police, that is beyond ridiculous) just accept it for what it is and wait or, sell what you have in the group buy. There will be plenty of people ready to buy it for you.

AE is a small company that had a bad run with parts. I for one applaud the courage and pure mental toughness that it took John to stick this out, for no other reason than he said he would and his love for the work. He makes the best woofers available, in the USA.

Take a look around, there are plenty of manufacturers having parts supply problems and currently out of stock, especially the upper end mid woofers. It sounds like John has learned a lot about his suppliers and vendors and has made some changes to hopefully make these fine products more readily available with a stable supply.

Things are slow for me right now and I have seriously thought about taking a couple weeks off and seeing if there is anything I could do to help get these woofers out and possibly learn someone of this craft. If I didn't have three kids busy with sports right now I would have been up there already before the first snow pack hits!

Hang in here John there are plenty of us rooting for you! I can't wait until the supply stabilizes so I can order more of these woofers. I am especially interested in seeing what 2 TD6M's do under a SEOS12.
post #589 of 768
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

^^^^
Chill out. You should have understood the dangers of entering such a group buy and if not the fault of that is your own.
+1000

Bosso has told all of us that there have always been long wait times on AE products. That was years ago and now people are shocked that it is happening again. I had to wait longer than a year for my subs but oh well.(diff company but same problems) Its just what happened. I dont like waiting but complaining all the time about it doesn't get me my product any quicker.

There are always other options out there. They may be more expensive but you might get the product a lot faster.
post #590 of 768
-1000

It is of little comfort to the uninformed when John states 4-6 weeks to delivery on new orders; or makes no statement at all and allows the purchaser to assume for themselves. There should be a factual representation of delivery times from any manufacturer / supplier.

It is just good business.

If he wants to restrict his reports for the GB to what has happened, then he should also report the time frame that occurred with recent PAST deliveries to prospective customers. Just because he hopes something to be the case does not make it so.

Again, I want John to succeed. That will depend more upon his actions than anything participants in the GB do.
Edited by bg40403 - 9/30/12 at 11:27am
post #591 of 768
I would be interested in buying (at cost) a pair of AE 15 inch drivers off anyone in the group buy who is fed up waiting. Preferably Dipole15, LO15 or TD15M with the apollo upgrade, but would consider any 15" model - just send me a PM smile.gif
Edited by NiToNi - 10/8/12 at 7:35am
post #592 of 768
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A lot of steel was machined over the past several days here. I expect to have enough T-yokes machined for the remainder of the TD woofers by the end of the week. There will be some additional parts available for other orders as well. The parts will head off to be plated on Monday Oct 15 and hopefully be completed that week. Once they return I will assemble all remaining TD10's and TD12's as quickly as possible. Phase plugs are available for all drivers but the TD15's at this point. I expect to have those within a few weeks. I have not yet been able to get the CNC lathe working and the local shop making the phase plugs for me in the meantime is waiting for a new lathe to arrive after their previous one had some issues.

John
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post #593 of 768
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Originally Posted by Ghani99 View Post

Chill out. People need to be aware of what A.E. is.

A top-notch quality driver manufacturer who had supply line issues and now is doing their best to fulfill a large group-buy order while at the same time working to take new orders and successfully service their other industry professionals? Those of us that understood are still very aware of what A.E. is. I am just glad that John was able to bounce back from the issues that did arise, and that it didnt crater an excellent business, like so many others that were NOT able to bounce back.
post #594 of 768
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Originally Posted by beastaudio View Post

A top-notch quality driver manufacturer who had supply line issues and now is doing their best to fulfill a large group-buy order while at the same time working to take new orders and successfully service their other industry professionals? Those of us that understood are still very aware of what A.E. is. I am just glad that John was able to bounce back from the issues that did arise, and that it didnt crater an excellent business, like so many others that were NOT able to bounce back.

Well said. +1
post #595 of 768
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Originally Posted by beastaudio View Post

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Originally Posted by Ghani99 View Post

Chill out. People need to be aware of what A.E. is.

A top-notch quality driver manufacturer who had supply line issues and now is doing their best to fulfill a large group-buy order while at the same time working to take new orders and successfully service their other industry professionals?

It's probably naive of the group buy customers to think their orders would be filled before the new orders and industry professionals.
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Those of us that understood are still very aware of what A.E. is.

It does seem strange that AE would have any repeat customers.
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I am just glad that John was able to bounce back from the issues that did arise, and that it didnt crater an excellent business, like so many others that were NOT able to bounce back.

He might make good speakers, but it'd be a stretch to call it an "excellent business". I wish him all the best, but maybe he should concentrate on a manageable two or three product line. I know I can't give away TD18H+'s, only one taken out of the box to compare to a 2242 and put back in the box. Chalk it up to a learning experience, I guess.
post #596 of 768
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Originally Posted by ChuckAuger View Post

I know I can't give away TD18H+'s, only one taken out of the box to compare to a 2242 and put back in the box.
I'll take them for the postage costs.
post #597 of 768
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Originally Posted by A9X-308 View Post

I'll take them for the postage costs.

Not before me, you won't!

To the death!!!!

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post #598 of 768
"I can't give away TD18H+'s, only one taken out of the box to compare to a 2242 and put back in the box."

really? maybe it is your avatar scaring people away. :-)

seriously, there should be interest in those drivers. they are quite nice and with the price increase of the 2242's, they are an even better value then before, which was already great.

why aren't you using them?

what are you looking to get out of them?
Edited by LTD02 - 10/8/12 at 10:19pm
post #599 of 768
I am sure there would be a line up for your TD18H's.
post #600 of 768
They'd probably ban me for trying to sell anything in the open forums, so I'll just say they're not for sale.

FWIW, the FR curve is really close to a 2242, but 5dB down. Amps are cheap and 2242s aren't, but that's the bottom line.
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