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post #601 of 768
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Originally Posted by ChuckAuger View Post

They'd probably ban me for trying to sell anything in the open forums, so I'll just say they're not for sale.
FWIW, the FR curve is really close to a 2242, but 5dB down. Amps are cheap and 2242s aren't, but that's the bottom line.
That's interesting. You make a fairly negative comment about one of his drivers "I know I can't give away TD18H+'s", yet when offers surface (within 3 hours of your statement, not less) to take them off your hands, you then state that you are concerned you will be banned. Perhaps interesting is not the word, disconcerting might be more appropriate since some may interpret your statement as an attempt at "defaming" AE.
post #602 of 768
Wow....I just receive an invoice for ~$450 for TD12Ms. eek.gif

Did prices double during the group buy?

I am going to decline.
post #603 of 768
How many did you get? Just one?

One is typically ~$280-290.... then if you get Apollo that's another $100...then shipping.

Sooo...what's the $450 for exactly?
post #604 of 768
2x TD12M 8-ohm. No apollo

Already paid $203 (50%).

Group price for TD12M is $203 each, if I remember correctly
post #605 of 768
Soo with shipping then that would be about right. Amiright?

Or are you getting charged $450 for each?

EDIT: OH wait... I see you paid half already. Hmm.. yeah. Gotta get that cleared up.
Edited by Scott Simonian - 10/12/12 at 4:07pm
post #606 of 768
Simply sounds like an invoice mix up, w/o the original payment subtracted. An email will confirm.
post #607 of 768
I just got my invoice, too. Woo hoo! (I better start building!)

~$450 total does sound right for two with shipping.

-Max
post #608 of 768
Got it fixed.

$240 final payment.

Looks like my TD12M is on the way.

Time to go buy some BB plywood.
post #609 of 768
Good times!
post #610 of 768
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Originally Posted by ChuckAuger View Post

It does seem strange that AE would have any repeat customers.
I'll be a repeat customer when I get a bigger house. I sold a pair of TD15h's for a build that never came to fruition. I will reapproach this build later when school is done and we move into that bigger house. I'm sure at that time I will pay a fair bit more for his drivers, but that's fine. Worth it.
post #611 of 768
Well, if anyone got an extra TD12M that they don't want. PM me.
post #612 of 768
I am looking for a pair of TD-12M or TD-15M. Please ping me if you dont want your. Thanks:cool:
post #613 of 768
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Originally Posted by Raul GS View Post

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Originally Posted by ChuckAuger View Post

They'd probably ban me for trying to sell anything in the open forums, so I'll just say they're not for sale.
FWIW, the FR curve is really close to a 2242, but 5dB down. Amps are cheap and 2242s aren't, but that's the bottom line.
That's interesting. You make a fairly negative comment about one of his drivers "I know I can't give away TD18H+'s", yet when offers surface (within 3 hours of your statement, not less) to take them off your hands, you then state that you are concerned you will be banned. Perhaps interesting is not the word, disconcerting might be more appropriate since some may interpret your statement as an attempt at "defaming" AE.

A lot of forums take a very dim view of individuals trying to sell stuff in the open forums. I don't post a lot here, but I know I got the smack down for even mentioning the price of a plasma TV, so no need of risking it over these drivers. The comment about not being able to give them away was basically saying what I figured must be common knowledge by now - these just aren't very desirable drivers.

If I wanted to make a negative statement about the drivers, I can muster that, no sweat.

As for defaming AE, he sure as heck doesn't need any help from me.

For the record, I just responded to a PM from a person (with 2242s) interested in buying these drivers. Here's an excerpt:

"If it was me, and I had 2242s, I'd be laughing so hard I wouldn't be able to reply...and I'm the guy that wants to sell them. So there's my opinion."
post #614 of 768
Anyone got tracking numbers for their TD12M yet?

Paid mine last week, still no shipping confirmation. Thought these were ready to send out.
post #615 of 768
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Originally Posted by ChuckAuger View Post

Here's an excerpt:
"If it was me, and I had 2242s, I'd be laughing so hard I wouldn't be able to reply...and I'm the guy that wants to sell them. So there's my opinion."

I have no idea who's saying what or what it's supposed to mean, but I will say yours are the first negative comments I've seen on the TD18, and it's obvious you have a big axe to grind.
post #616 of 768
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Originally Posted by smokarz View Post

Anyone got tracking numbers for their TD12M yet?
Paid mine last week, still no shipping confirmation. Thought these were ready to send out.

John posted this today.
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The TD12M's that were paid for and invoiced friday were expected to ship today. The anodizing on the phase plugs had some issues though. The tips looked find but further down the sides looked like water spots. I brought them back over to the anodizing shop along with 70 new phase plugs. I expect they will have these back to me tomorrow and I will ship them out right away then.
post #617 of 768
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Originally Posted by ChuckAuger View Post

Blah Blah Blah
Go troll some somewhere else.
post #618 of 768
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Originally Posted by noah katz View Post

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Originally Posted by ChuckAuger View Post

Here's an excerpt:
"If it was me, and I had 2242s, I'd be laughing so hard I wouldn't be able to reply...and I'm the guy that wants to sell them. So there's my opinion."

I have no idea who's saying what or what it's supposed to mean, but I will say yours are the first negative comments I've seen on the TD18, and it's obvious you have a big axe to grind.

It means that if I already owned 2242s that I'd be laughing hard at the prospect of buying any TD18s. I didn't want to post the entire PM, so context is lost. The bottom line is the guy had 2242s, asked what I wanted for the TD18s and my opinion of them. The part I posted was the end of my response.

As for the "axe to grind" comment, yeah, maybe. I saw these touted as "2242 killers" so I dropped coin. Well, they ain't. But in all honesty it wasn't very much money, so I'm not really pissed, just slightly bemused. I suppose if I had no woofers, these might be a viable option, and so somebody might get some enjoyment out of them - just not me.
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Originally Posted by Face2 
blah blah blah

I'm an AE customer, sorry if I'm not fawning enough over the product to suit you. Wanna buy 'em? Shoot me a PM.

And I'll evidently have a pair of TD12Ms here in a few weeks, as soon as the "anodizing" gets ironed out. I'll measure those and see where that goes.
Edited by ChuckAuger - 10/15/12 at 8:31pm
post #619 of 768
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Originally Posted by ChuckAuger View Post

I'm an AE customer, sorry if I'm not fawning enough over the product to suit you. Wanna buy 'em? Shoot me a PM.
I wish I had the space, I had to settle for a pair of TD12.
post #620 of 768
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Originally Posted by ChuckAuger View Post

I saw these touted as "2242 killers" so I dropped coin. Well, they ain't.
What's that based on? I have no TD18's but a lot of TD15 and a lot of experience with 2241/2.
post #621 of 768
Hi ChuckAuger, it has come to my attention that you have some questions/concerns about the TD18H's that you received. This is the first I have been aware of this situation. I have seen no mention anywhere via email or post on my forum that you were having any issues at all. If you contact me via either of those methods, I will get back to you. It may just take a little time.

Most of the popular pro18's have similar response curves over their main target area, below 100hz. They are all optimized for similar enclosure size and low end extension in a vented enclosure. Vented enclosures from 6-8cf per driver tuned from 30-40hz are most typical. The low end of the curve is primarily controlled by the enclosure itself. Mass and motor strength along with the Sd are the main determining factors from the driver side. The TD18H was designed to meet these same target points as the other drivers in the industry and be able to exchange easily into many of the common enclosures out there. The following model shows a dual18 cabinet, 15cf enclosure tuned to 30hz. The TD18H in in green, B&C18TBX100 in blue and the JBL2242 in red. I could have easily put in the EVX180B or others into the comparison as well. As you can see, below 100hz the curves are all quite close.



All drivers with 2000W input to the pair have reached about 10mm Xmax. The JBL has the most Xmax due to the lowest DCR of the drivers. At 4.7ohm DCR, this is quite low to be considered an 8ohm nominal driver. One thing to note is that the B&C and JBL have surpassed the 9mm rated Xmax at that input power while the TD18H has substantial headroom left before the 14mm Xmax. The suspension of the TD18H actually allows for almost 25mm one way travel before damage as well. I have not done a side by side measurement between the JBL and the TD18H myself. I have done so with the B&C18BX100, EVX180B, RCF18's, etc and they have all tracked very good with the models. I will be honest that the intent of these measurements was all focused below 100hz.

I'm not sure what your alignment is, what the measurement methods are, or what frequency range you are seeing this difference in efficiency of 5dB. If it is up above 100hz, the inductive bump of the 2242 (2.7db at 200hz) could be a partial factor. This is predicted in the model above though so it should not be much of a surprise. The JBL clearly models to be more efficient in this region. However, the TD18H models to be flatter and have a further extended high frequency response. The priority though for live sound subwoofer use was on the low end. The 9mm vs 14mm Xmax allows the TD18H a full 4dB more output. For this reason I have many TD18H's out in the live sound world now that have replaced other 18" drivers that had been prone to damage. These installers and users have also confirmed the same things I have in measurements here.

I would be very interested to see your measurements, methods, and the details on your enclosures as well. Without knowing these details it is difficult to understand what it is that you may be seeing.
post #622 of 768
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Originally Posted by bg40403 View Post

...snip...
The TD12M was said on Sept. 6 to be available in 4-6 weeks. We will see in a few weeks if this is a promotion of unrealistic expectations.

Are all the GB TD12M's delivered?

All of the other TD12's?
post #623 of 768
not yet....still waiting for shipment notification.
post #624 of 768
i just got tracking for 4 25lb packages
post #625 of 768
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Originally Posted by cookieattk View Post

i just got tracking for 4 25lb packages


same here.

they really are coming...biggrin.gif
post #626 of 768
[trailer guy voice] "One year in the making ..." [/trailer guy voice]
post #627 of 768
I have two TD12M's in the AVS classified section if someone still needs a pair. Sorry in advance if this violates forum policy.

-Darrell
post #628 of 768
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Originally Posted by dheflin83 View Post

I have two TD12M's in the AVS classified section if someone still needs a pair. Sorry in advance if this violates forum policy.
-Darrell


Sent you a PM. I would be interested in 1.
post #629 of 768
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Originally Posted by smokarz View Post

Sent you a PM. I would be interested in 1.

Sorry Smokarz, they are taken. smile.gif
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post #630 of 768
Share the wealth Mike. You know you only need one of those.


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