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11/2/11 at 11:36am
Anyone know if this projector can upcovert video signals to 1080P? Or, is that left up to the device that is driving the signal?
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11/2/11 at 11:40am
Oops, sorry guys, I didn't see the questions about my lens and screen until now.

I'd have to measure when I get home, but if I had to guess, I'd say the top of my screen is about 1.5 feet from the celing and the middle of the lens is about 8". This being the case, I was about 2-3 inches from being able to push my image as far as it needed to be to cover both 2.35:1 and 16:9.
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11/2/11 at 11:42am
Like (pretty much) any other 1080p native display device it has to upscale any signal below 1080p otherwise the image would not fill the screen: With 480p coming in you'd have a small rectangle in the middle of the screen surrounded by black. However, you may get better results if the upscaling is done outboard of the display, but it depends on how good the display is verses what you're using to upscale...if you have access to a Lumagen Video Processor you may well find you get better results than using the display to upscale for example.
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11/2/11 at 11:42am
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Oops, sorry guys, I didn't see the questions about my lens and screen until now.

I'd have to measure when I get home, but if I had to guess, I'd say the top of my screen is about 1.5 feet from the celing and the middle of the lens is about 8". This being the case, I was about 2-3 inches from being able to push my image as far as it needed to be to cover both 2.35:1 and 16:9.

Thanks TK. So you've got about a 10" difference, where the lens is about 10" higher than the screen top. What's the height of your screen?
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post #1385 of 4344
11/2/11 at 11:45am
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Originally Posted by TKNice View Post

No, it's a completely fair question.

I started out zooming (completely manual) and have been using a lens now for about two years. It's been great although I still have to make a slight lens shift adjustment and change the focus every time I switch ARs.

My thought was that if the AE7000 can retain a reasonable brightness and doesn't have much of a screen door effect because of it's smooth screen tech, that the benefits of lens memory may outweight the downsides of zooming. I also thought it may be easier for my family and others to hit a button to do this instead of everything I do for the lens. As it turns out, my projector is mounted very close to the ceiling and so full zooming using lens memory is not possible (or at least because I don't want to lower the projector).

The great news is that now the lens memory makes those small focus and shifting adjustments for me and all someone has to do is slide the lens in place and hit a button for the right aspect ratio. It's great!

btw, I'm loving this projector so far!! The 2D image exceeded my expectations! Also, I haven't seen 3D yet, but the thing I'm most suprised about / in love with / not sure about / can't stop messing with is the frame creation feature. I've never seen anything like it. Although I wouldn't use it for movies, games and 3D are bound to benefit from this. I watched Transformers Dark Side last night and I kept turning it on and off and was amazed at how smooth and clear the normal jumbled mass of metal most of the transformer fights usually are. It really is like watching through a window or maybe some kind of HD workprint.

-TK

Something else to consider in regards to an a-lens vs. zooming: the AE7000 can't do vertical stretch in 3-D mode and many (maybe all?) stand-alone BD players have similar restrictions. I've heard the OPPO BDP-93 apparently has trouble v-scaling certain 3-D discs (I think the issue is 3-D discs that make use of BD-Java).

So for scope 3-D with an a-lens, you would need to look to an external scaler that supports frame-packed 3-D. To my knowledge, the Lumagen Radiance line of scalers are currently the only ones with such support.
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11/2/11 at 11:53am
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Originally Posted by Kelvin1965S View Post

When I had my AE3000 I actually used the V-Position function to cheat a little with the screen height: When you use V-Position on a 16:9 image it actually crops from either the top or the bottom of the picture, so it allowed me to trim my image to fit (I have such a long throw that the image wouldn't zoom small enough to fit 16:9 height onto my screen). ...

Thanks very much, Kelvin. But can't you do that via the V-Area position?

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... The great news is that ...

btw, I'm loving this projector so far!! ...

-TK

I see. So you basically end up with getting the benefits of both the a lens and the projector's memory feature. I have the CFI on all the time, and almost forgot about it, untill I watched some action movies on TV the other day. Definitely makes a difference. And according to review, Panasonic's CFI implementation is one of the better ones for the money.

Thanks.
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11/2/11 at 11:56am
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Thanks TK. So you've got about a 10" difference, where the lens is about 10" higher than the screen top. What's the height of your screen?

It's a 130" screen (100" 16:9). I forget the exact height but you can probably calc it out pretty easily. I'll measure my exact screen top height from the ceiling and the lens height (I guess to the middle of the lens) when I get home tonight.

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Something else to consider in regards to an a-lens vs. zooming: the AE7000 can't do vertical stretch in 3-D mode and many (maybe all?) stand-alone BD players have similar restrictions. I've heard the OPPO BDP-93 apparently has trouble v-scaling certain 3-D discs (I think the issue is 3-D discs that make use of BD-Java).

So for scope 3-D with an a-lens, you would need to look to an external scaler that supports frame-packed 3-D. To my knowledge, the Lumagen Radiance line of scalers are currently the only ones with such support.

I'll have to see how this works. My dvdo edge was just updated with a firmware that passes 3D and I've turned it on and it looks 3D like in all of the modes. I assume that it will look fine through my a-lens, correct?
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post #1388 of 4344
11/2/11 at 12:05pm
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Thanks very much, Kelvin. But can't you do that via the V-Area position?

Maybe, but it's been 2.5 years since I sold my AE3000 and my memory isn't what it was...In anycase it doesn't seem like it's a feature to worry about.
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post #1389 of 4344
11/2/11 at 12:09pm
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I have two rows of seating. ...

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I can mount within the bounds but then what feature am I using to shift the scope image up within that area that gets memorized?

I think my screen is around 2.2

Agreed with what JamesN said, the V-Area Position is to be used.

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... I can't have two different 16x9s with a different vertical position. ...

If I understand the idea here, you want to have three presets, all aligned along the top of your 2.2 screen: 1) a smaller 16:9 that does not fill the full screen height, 2) a larger 16:9 that fill up the entire screen height, 3) a 2.35 that fills the screen width.

If true, I actually do think this is very doable with any of the Panny models, and the ones from Epson and JVC with lens memory. You just need to be sure the projector should be close to being RIGHT at the top of your 2.2 screen.
The way I see it is that when setting up your projector that way, the top edge of the entire projected area will NOT move, regardless of the zoom used.

So the process could be:
1) set up the smaller 16:9, setting the zoom so that it does not occupy the full height of the screen, and adjusting lens shift joystick to align it with the top of your 2.2 screen;

2) zoom in to enlarge the 16:9 image until it fills the full screen height. The top edge of the projected area shouldn't move at this opint.

3) zoom in more to fill the screen width for the scope preset (the top edge of the projector area again stays the same), and then use V-Area Position to move up the real movie image to the top.

No manual vertical lens shift should be involved in steps 2 and 3, so all three share the exact same lens shift setting. Again, all you need to do is to mount the projector at a level pretty close to the exact top of your screen.

Hope this helps. Thanks.
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post #1390 of 4344
11/2/11 at 12:20pm
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(...) or some special winter 7000 deal pops up, I want to be ready and know that a 7000 is doable.

Hi, I´m seriously considering the Panasonic PT-AE7000U 3D Projector, but I have no experience buying projectors at this time of the year.

Everyone, do you think there will be any special winter deals for the Panasonic PT-AE7000U 3D Projector, for example, on this year Black Friday November 25th, or other date ?

Did similar special winter deals on newly released projectors ocurred on previous years ?
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post #1391 of 4344
11/2/11 at 12:26pm
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Originally Posted by TKNice View Post

...I'll have to see how this works. My dvdo edge was just updated with a firmware that passes 3D and I've turned it on and it looks 3D like in all of the modes. I assume that it will look fine through my a-lens, correct?

I don't know what they mean by "passthrough". Their literature says:

3D Passthrough - HDMI 1.4a specifies a large number of 3D formats, and it specifies a smaller number of formats whose support is mandatory for 3D displays. EDGE and iScan Duo will pass the mandatory formats through from input to output, based on the specifications.


I hope this doesn't mean that it will just pass through frame-packed 3-D signals but not be able to scale them.

Lumagen still claims that their products are the only ones that can scale frame-packed 3-D.
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post #1392 of 4344
11/2/11 at 12:35pm
Sign me up as a new owner! Just purchased one from ProjectorPeople and it will be here tomorrow. I am replacing an Epson 8350, and am looking forward to the upgrade! I'm using a 135" EliteScreens CineGrey screen. I'm just hoping the screen size and the fact it is a light grey material with a 1.0 gain won't make the image too dark for 3D.
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11/2/11 at 12:45pm
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Originally Posted by JamesN View Post

I don't know what they mean by "passthrough". Their literature says:

3D Passthrough - HDMI 1.4a specifies a large number of 3D formats, and it specifies a smaller number of formats whose support is mandatory for 3D displays. EDGE and iScan Duo will pass the mandatory formats through from input to output, based on the specifications.


I hope this doesn't mean that it will just pass through frame-packed 3-D signals but not be able to scale them.

Lumagen still claims that their products are the only ones that can scale frame-packed 3-D.

Yeah, I need to test that tonight. Now that I think about it, I was using my HTPC software (XBMC) to do the vertical stretch and it worked fine. I'll have to try my Edge's stretch on the same source tonight.

If it doesn't work I guess that means stretching 3D bluray discs are going to be the only problem.
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11/2/11 at 1:03pm
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Originally Posted by Kelvin1965S View Post

Like (pretty much) any other 1080p native display device it has to upscale any signal below 1080p otherwise the image would not fill the screen: With 480p coming in you'd have a small rectangle in the middle of the screen surrounded by black. However, you may get better results if the upscaling is done outboard of the display, but it depends on how good the display is verses what you're using to upscale...if you have access to a Lumagen Video Processor you may well find you get better results than using the display to upscale for example.

I was thinking of a DVDO Edge but wasn't sure if it would make much of a difference with a satellite signal
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11/2/11 at 1:09pm
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Sign me up as a new owner! Just purchased one from ProjectorPeople and it will be here tomorrow. I am replacing an Epson 8350, and am looking forward to the upgrade! I'm using a 135" EliteScreens CineGrey screen. I'm just hoping the screen size and the fact it is a light grey material with a 1.0 gain won't make the image too dark for 3D.

Congrats! Just got mine yesterday and I can't wait to get home to play around with it. I ignored my family last night but I probably shouldn't two nights in a row.

Doh! stupid family.
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post #1396 of 4344
11/2/11 at 1:54pm
Just finished having mine installed, the picture is great, but I seem to be having some problems with the input "handshake". I have 1 input to for the projector (HDMI 1) and everything is switched through the receiver. However, sometimes when I change sources, i.e. go from blu ray to sattelite or vice versa, it seems to "lose" the signal. I get the blue screen showing the input options.

I can switch input sources from 1 to 2 and back again, and the picture will show up, but it seems a bit kludgy. Is anyone else having similar isues or is it just me?

Thanks.
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11/2/11 at 2:21pm
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Just finished having mine installed, the picture is great, but I seem to be having some problems with the input "handshake". I have 1 input to for the projector (HDMI 1) and everything is switched through the receiver. However, sometimes when I change sources, i.e. go from blu ray to sattelite or vice versa, it seems to "lose" the signal. I get the blue screen showing the input options.

I can switch input sources from 1 to 2 and back again, and the picture will show up, but it seems a bit kludgy. Is anyone else having similar isues or is it just me?

Thanks.

You might try turning of the automaic input search or what ever it is called so that it always stays locked onto #1 and doesn't look at the rest.
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11/2/11 at 3:49pm
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Originally Posted by TKNice View Post

Oops, sorry guys, I didn't see the questions about my lens and screen until now.

I'd have to measure when I get home, but if I had to guess, I'd say the top of my screen is about 1.5 feet from the celing and the middle of the lens is about 8". This being the case, I was about 2-3 inches from being able to push my image as far as it needed to be to cover both 2.35:1 and 16:9.

Exact measurements are 13" from the ceiling for the screen top and 4.5" to the middle of the lens for the projector.
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11/2/11 at 3:57pm
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Originally Posted by TKNice View Post

Yeah, I need to test that tonight. Now that I think about it, I was using my HTPC software (XBMC) to do the vertical stretch and it worked fine. I'll have to try my Edge's stretch on the same source tonight.

If it doesn't work I guess that means stretching 3D bluray discs are going to be the only problem.

I just spoke with the folks at DVDO, as I just ordered one of these devices for myself, and they said that 3D will just pass-thru to the projector and all picture adjustments, scaling, etc will have to be done there.
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11/2/11 at 4:02pm
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Exact measurements are 13" from the ceiling for the screen top and 4.5" to the middle of the lens for the projector.

Thanks TK for checking that. So you've got a 8.5" offset. Yet you were only 2-3" off from making the V Position from working.

Sounds like it might be possible to mount the 7000 slightly above the screen top. Sounds like, empirical evidence would be great.
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11/2/11 at 5:12pm
Can anyone direct me to a mount with horizontal quick positioning of at least 3 inches? I need to be able to hang this from a stud, but it won't be centered.

I've been looking at Chief but the universal that is associated with the projector on PP doesn't look like it has horizontal. I'm also on the hunt for some of Chief's telescoping extension poles if you have dealer advice.
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11/2/11 at 5:13pm
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Originally Posted by ejhuzy View Post

Thanks TK for checking that. So you've got a 8.5" offset. Yet you were only 2-3" off from making the V Position from working.

Sounds like it might be possible to mount the 7000 slightly above the screen top. Sounds like, empirical evidence would be great.

Yep, that sound about right--not scientific, but it may help someone.

Man, the kids and I just watched how to train your dragon with frame creation on.. It looked so realistic, like I could reach out and touch the characters. Simply amazing.
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11/2/11 at 5:27pm
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Can anyone direct me to a mount with horizontal quick positioning of at least 3 inches? I need to be able to hang this from a stud, but it won't be centered.

I've been looking at Chief but the universal that is associated with the projector on PP doesn't look like it has horizontal. I'm also on the hunt for some of Chief's telescoping extension poles if you have dealer advice.

How about this? It will work with Chief's universals as well as custom RPAs (RPA-181).
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11/2/11 at 6:11pm
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How about this? It will work with Chief's universals as well as custom RPAs (RPA-181).

So the top of the RPAU for the pole comes off and you connect the base to the lateral bracket?

I know, newbie question (reaffirmed by my post count)
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11/2/11 at 7:12pm
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So the top of the RPAU for the pole comes off and you connect the base to the lateral bracket?

I know, newbie question (reaffirmed by my post count)

No you can still use any length pipe you want between the ceiling and the mount (the RPA). The Later Shift Bracket (LSB) goes between the mount (the RPA) and the interface bracket (the part that screws to the pj).

You can see some of my pics here.
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11/2/11 at 7:39pm
Anybody have anyting to report on how the panny does with the Stewart Firehawk G3 screen? I have a PT-AE1000u that has been hanging for 5 years and getting tired. Every day that I go in there he keeps asking me when I am going to replace him with a PT-AE7000u.

J
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11/3/11 at 3:30am
I have seen some conflicting messages about a-lens support. Does the ae7000u support vertical stretch for a-lenses as an optional aspect of the 'lens memory' feature?

Thanks!
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11/3/11 at 4:46am
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I have seen some conflicting messages about a-lens support. Does the ae7000u support vertical stretch for a-lenses as an optional aspect of the 'lens memory' feature?

Thanks!

The 7000 does have a vertical stretch feature that can be used in combination with an a-lens. This feature does not work in 3-D mode. The feature is not related to lens memory.
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11/3/11 at 5:26am
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Anybody have anyting to report on how the panny does with the Stewart Firehawk G3 screen? I have a PT-AE1000u that has been hanging for 5 years and getting tired. Every day that I go in there he keeps asking me when I am going to replace him with a PT-AE7000u.

J

Since the G3 is a really high gain screen it should be fine. I have the stewart studiotek 130 and its great, i think i have a 1.3 gain...not sure though
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11/3/11 at 5:46am
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Exact measurements are 13" from the ceiling for the screen top and 4.5" to the middle of the lens for the projector.

@TKNice: Can I please ask what throw you have?

I'm a bit confused and concerned that I might have the same problem as you if I buy this projector, as I will have to mount the projector so that the lens is about 12" above the top of the screen (125" diagonal scope screen, throw of ~4.2m/13'8").

The thing I'm confused about is that the way I read page 23 of the user manual, for a 120" diagonal scope screen (~= 1200mm high screen) the centre of the lens can be up to 1790mm above the bottom of the screen.

So, this means that the centre of the lens should be able to be a miximum of 590mm (= 23") above the top of the screen. Also, the max height above screen appears to get bigger as the screen gets bigger.

So, assuming I've not misinterpreted the manual (and that it isn't just plain wrong), I'm trying to figure out why 8.5" is too big an offset in TKNice's case?

The only thing I can think is that the extremes of the 'H' number in the manual only applies at the maximum throw distance, and the actual value gets significantly smaller as the throw is reduced??

Any thoughts?
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