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post #2581 of 4428
$39? wow! In Canada the PS3 glasses are the exact same price as the Panasonic (and the Panasonic is half the weight of the PS3 glasses)
post #2582 of 4428
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Originally Posted by WilliamG View Post

82 hours. I think my October, 2011-build PT-AE7000U has started the dreaded flicker. At least I assume this is what it is. It's like a brightness "pulsing". I noticed it so far only on a solid white wallpaper background while messing with my computer. I'm guessing it gets worse to the point where you notice it during actual movie/TV playback?

Brightness pulsing sounds like the flicker. Hopefully, N8Dogg will get some answers for us from his Panasonic Repair friends.
post #2583 of 4428
I hope... BTW, I meant to say "September 2011" build, not October 2011.
post #2584 of 4428
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Originally Posted by billqs View Post

Brightness pulsing sounds like the flicker. Hopefully, N8Dogg will get some answers for us from his Panasonic Repair friends.

I'm still waiting for any more info. I'm assuming he hasn't found anything yet as he would normally have texted me if anything came up. I sure hope it just boils down to a bad batch of bulbs or something like that
post #2585 of 4428
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Originally Posted by WilliamG View Post

Here's a question I've not seen brought up:

I liked to run in Cinema 1 picture mode, but the color uniformity is, in a word, crap. Very "orangey" toward the left of the screen, and pretty "green" toward the right. This is most noticeable on very bright/white scenes. Easy way to test is just to set your wallpaper (if you have a computer hooked up) to a white background.

If I switch to "Normal" picture mode or "Game" picture mode, this issue is almost completely gone. Almost completely consistent color across the screen.

What's the deal with that, and how do you go about fixing it?

Barring being able to fix it directly, how do you get the brightness of "Normal" mode down to that of "Cinema 1"? I find "Normal" a tad too bright, even with the lamp set to "eco."

I tried this on mine as you described and see no color variation. How bad is it? Is it barely noticeable on the white background?
post #2586 of 4428
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Originally Posted by wgf_bean View Post

I tried this on mine as you described and see no color variation. How bad is it? Is it barely noticeable on the white background?

It's pretty easily noticeable on a white background. The left side is orange-y white rather than white white. Again, Cinema 1 and REC are pretty noticeable, whereas Normal, Cinema 2, Game, and Dynamic you can't really tell.
post #2587 of 4428
Mine was bought last week, not sure when it was build. I saw plenty of flickers last night. Great.

Anywho, is it normal with judder when playing a movie with frame creation? Refresh rate miss match or something?
post #2588 of 4428
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Originally Posted by WilliamG View Post

It's pretty easily noticeable on a white background. The left side is orange-y white rather than white white. Again, Cinema 1 and REC are pretty noticeable, whereas Normal, Cinema 2, Game, and Dynamic you can't really tell.

Does adjusting the brightness in any of the modes affect it, i.e. if you temporarily increase the brightness on Cinema 1 or REC does it reduce the affect any? Conversely if you decrease the brightness on the modes that appear OK does it start to show the problem?
post #2589 of 4428
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Originally Posted by wgf_bean View Post

Does adjusting the brightness in any of the modes affect it, i.e. if you temporarily increase the brightness on Cinema 1 or REC does it reduce the affect any? Conversely if you decrease the brightness on the modes that appear OK does it start to show the problem?

Nope, no adjustment of brightness or other settings change anything to do with the uniformity, it seems. It'd be nice if I could get the brightness down in "Normal" or "Cinema 2" modes to that of "Rec" and "Cinema 1", because I really don't like REC or Cinema 1 due to the color shift.... How do "Normal" and "Game" and "Dynamic" and "Cinema 2" achieve their brightness levels anyway?

*sigh*

Can't win. Why don't projectors work properly 100%?

For example: I really like eh JVC X30/RS45, but its 24p playback isn't as smooth as the PT-AE7000U, but it has a much more uniform image. But then the X30 sucks for gaming due to input lag, and its 3D isn't as good as the Panasonic either, but then the X30 has no dynamic iris (which is good - I sometimes notice the Panasonic changing brightness levels during scenes due to backlighting etc in the shot).

If you took the X30 and the PT-AE7000U and slammed them together, we'd have a winning combo. Until then, I'll likely continue to be disappointed with all current tech.

That said, the Panasonic/JVC ARE very good. I'm just really, really picky...
post #2590 of 4428
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Originally Posted by N8DOGG View Post

I'm still waiting for any more info. I'm assuming he hasn't found anything yet as he would normally have texted me if anything came up. I sure hope it just boils down to a bad batch of bulbs or something like that

Has anyone with the flicker issue tried pulling the lamp assembly and reseating it (when it's cooled down of course) just to see if there is an issue with the contacts between the lamp and the unit? Reseating socketed parts, especially in computer equipment, will many times resolves contact issues, so if the issue is related to the lamp contacts, it's at least a way to elimate one possible cause. I don't personally own this projector yet, but I believe I saw somewhere that it is fairly easy to remove the lamp assembly through an access door... Just something to try. The best test of course would be for someone who also has purchased a spare lamp with their projector - swap the lamp, if it continues to flicker immediately, it's an issue with the electronics in the unit; if the new lamp does not flicker right away, then it's a bulb issue... basic troubleshooting process.

I'm seriously considering either this projector or the Epson 5010 for purchase before the end of this month, but all the flickering problems and uneven color talk is scaring me away from this one a bit...
post #2591 of 4428
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Originally Posted by FreyTheater View Post

Has anyone with the flicker issue tried pulling the lamp assembly and reseating it (when it's cooled down of course) just to see if there is an issue with the contacts between the lamp and the unit? Reseating socketed parts, especially in computer equipment, will many times resolves contact issues, so if the issue is related to the lamp contacts, it's at least a way to elimate one possible cause. I don't personally own this projector yet, but I believe I saw somewhere that it is fairly easy to remove the lamp assembly... Just something to try. The best test of course would be for someone who also has purchased a spare lamp with their projector - swap the lamp, if it continues to flicker immediately, it's an issue with the electronics in the unit; if the new lamp does not flicker right away, then it's a bulb issue... basic troubleshooting process.

I'm seriously considering either this projector or the Epson 5010 for purchase before the end of this month, but all the flickering problems and uneven color talk is scaring me away from this one a bit...

I wouldn't be "too" scared, necessarily. All projectors have their issues. My PT-AE4000U had color uniformity issues, too, and despite getting a replacement - the issue was never fully resolved. Heck, both my PT-AE4000U were soft toward the left of the image, too. Annoyingly soft, in fact. I'm happy that my 7000 is at least sharp from edge to edge!

People react differently to different things, though. Unacceptable color uniformity to me is no big deal to someone else etc.

Anyway, you can't completely win with any projector in this price range. Just bear that in mind.

Now, the flickering issue is certainly a bigger problem, and one that most people would notice, I'd wager. We'll have to see how that pans out with people getting repairs/replacement parts.
post #2592 of 4428
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Originally Posted by WilliamG View Post


Can't win. Why don't projectors work properly 100%?...

Because we're talking about entry level projectors. Once we go to the $15,000 and up, you won't be finding these problems.
post #2593 of 4428
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

Because we're talking about entry level projectors. Once we go to the $15,000 and up, you won't be finding these problems.

Seems a bit crazy you have to spend that much, though...
post #2594 of 4428
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

Because we're talking about entry level projectors. Once we go to the $15,000 and up, you won't be finding these problems.

So anything 15K and up has no issues?
post #2595 of 4428
Nothing is perfect, it's just what can you live with that won't drive you crazy...
post #2596 of 4428
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Originally Posted by wgf_bean View Post

So anything 15K and up has no issues?

Far less issues to virtually none. At least nothing as glaring as our 7000 or X30
post #2597 of 4428
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Originally Posted by pooie View Post

Mine was bought last week, not sure when it was build. I saw plenty of flickers last night. Great.

Anywho, is it normal with judder when playing a movie with frame creation? Refresh rate miss match or something?

What kind of "judder" are you seeing? What's the source?

On mine I see judder on certain directv channels (mostly ABC & ESPN). Btw, for those following along, I watched Green Lantern last night with zero issues. Fabulous picture. Source was PCH-200.
post #2598 of 4428
What the function of the lens ring ?
post #2599 of 4428
What generic 3d glasses works with pany7000?
post #2600 of 4428
Blict (somewhat heavy but comfortable), Sony Playstation 3 (heavy and uncomfortable), Xpand103 (very heavy and uncomfortable).
post #2601 of 4428
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Originally Posted by ejhuzy View Post

What kind of "judder" are you seeing? What's the source?

On mine I see judder on certain directv channels (mostly ABC & ESPN). Btw, for those following along, I watched Green Lantern last night with zero issues. Fabulous picture. Source was PCH-200.


It's like the Frame Creation turns itself off for small moments. Kind of like framerate lag in games.
The judder happens alot when there are people on the screen, faces and skin.

What judder do you have?

I saw Dexter last night. There was a rugby scen, lots of people, faces in fast motion - lots of judder.

When I play games that already has framerate problems, it judders more than ever. Figure something like Frame Creation Off-3.

Source is a Western Digital Live HD 3 and a PS3.


Also,
how come the only way to turn off the projector is to turn the switch off on the backside? It just goes on standby when using the remote.



I start to wonder if maybe my Panny is defective.
post #2602 of 4428
The unit goes into standby just like any other device, A/V receiver etc.

It does take a good few minutes for the unit to cool down until the fans stop. Turning the unit off at the back without letting the bulb cool down is not good.


I have sent my 7000 back after many issues. Waiting patiently for LED driven projectors with high lumens and 4K res.

My 7000 had really bad light leakage in all 4 corners and dust blobs all over that looked like a star field on a black screen. The Rec 709 color filter also had bad uniformity.
post #2603 of 4428
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Originally Posted by NapsterNZ View Post

The unit goes into standby just like any other device, A/V receiver etc.

It does take a good few minutes for the unit to cool down until the fans stop. Turning the unit off at the back without letting the bulb cool down is not good.


I have sent my 7000 back after many issues. Waiting patiently for LED driven projectors with high lumens and 4K res.

My 7000 had really bad light leakage in all 4 corners and dust blobs all over that looked like a star field on a black screen. The Rec 709 color filter also had bad uniformity.

Yeah as far as I can tell all Panasonic LCD projectors have bad color uniformity. A lot of people don't care/mind. I've now had three total Panasonics (The PT-AE4000U x2, and PT-AE7000U x1), and all of them experienced what no doubt you experienced - i.e. orangey left of the screen, and green-y right of the screen.

Did your dust blobs appear over time, or were they there from the start? I hate dust blobs! I had to deal with them in my PT-AE4000U (blow them out) and I'm not sure if it's easy to deal with them in the 7000...
post #2604 of 4428
So... anyone figured out how to turn the brightness down at all in "Cinema 2" or "Normal" picture modes?
post #2605 of 4428
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

Blict (somewhat heavy but comfortable), Sony Playstation 3 (heavy and uncomfortable), Xpand103 (very heavy and uncomfortable).

I've noticed that many of the glasses in home theater forums that are considered heavy are not as heavy as a regular pair of standard everyday glasses when actually placed on a scale.

I recently weighed the xpands and several on the market current designer frames with lenses and the xpands...they are much lighter.
post #2606 of 4428
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

Blict (somewhat heavy but comfortable), Sony Playstation 3 (heavy and uncomfortable), Xpand103 (very heavy and uncomfortable).

I've noticed that many of the glasses in home theater forums that are considered heavy are not as heavy as a regular pair of standard everyday glasses when actually placed on a scale.

I recently weighed the xpands and several on the market current designer frames with lenses and the xpands...they are much lighter.
post #2607 of 4428
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Originally Posted by WilliamG View Post

So... anyone figured out how to turn the brightness down at all in "Cinema 2" or "Normal" picture modes?

Probably the only way to drop the brightness any appreciable amount is to use a Neutral Density filter in front of the lens - I've done that with other projectors in my theater, it definitely works... does the 7000 have any threads for external filters on the lens surround at all? Otherwise, you just have to be a little creative wth a way to mount or suspend the filter over the opening.
post #2608 of 4428
Hey guys, I have a 1 year old Epson 8350 (1500 hours) which so far, we have been VERY pleased with. This was our very first projector and the experience has been awesome.

With that being, would it be a smart choice to upgrade to the Panny PT-AE7000U?

I am starting to experience the usual problems with the Epson such as color blotches and uneven sharpness throughout the screen, the latter really stands out when using it with our HTPC. I know I can easily get a RMA going with Epson but even so, I want to know if getting the Panny is definitely an upgrade.

My screen is drywall painted with SilverFire 2.0 (v5.0)...

Screen is 125" diagonal (48" Height, 115" wide @ 2.40 AR). In other words, 48" CIH setup so the zooming feature of the Panny would be awesome for my setup.

Any thoughts? Thanks in advance.
post #2609 of 4428
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Originally Posted by ERuiz View Post

Hey guys, I have a 1 year old Epson 8350 (1500 hours) which so far, we have been VERY pleased with. This was our very first projector and the experience has been awesome.

With that being, would it be a smart choice to upgrade to the Panny PT-AE7000U?

I am starting to experience the usual problems with the Epson such as color blotches and uneven sharpness throughout the screen, the latter really stands out when using it with our HTPC. I know I can easily get a RMA going with Epson but even so, I want to know if getting the Panny is definitely an upgrade.

My screen is drywall painted with SilverFire 2.0 (v5.0)...

Screen is 125" diagonal (48" Height, 115" wide @ 2.40 AR). In other words, 48" CIH setup so the zooming feature of the Panny would be awesome for my setup.

Any thoughts? Thanks in advance.

I would say that wanting to run a constant height setup is one of great selling points of the Panasonic PT-AE 7000. So is the availability of Dynamic Iris and Frame Creation Modes in 3D. The Panasonic shares LCD panels with the Epsons so I think you would find the Panasonic more similar than different to the Epson.

If however, you have another solution to achieve constant height, and/or are not interested in having a Dynamic Iris and Frame Creation in 3D, I would then recommend you go with the Epson 5100. It has more lumens than the Panny, blacks that compete with what the 7000 produces, and a higher native contrast ratio. I also don't recall seeing where the Epson has reported high numbers of the "flicker issue" that have popped up again on the 7000 after not really being a factor in its predecessor.

I chose the 7000 because I wanted the video processing features available in 3D, I'm a multiple Panasonic projector owner (better the devil you know), I had an amazingly good experience with the 7000's older brother, the 4000u, and the Panasonics have alway had a great feature to dollar ratio, which makes them one of the most feature- available projectors in their class.
post #2610 of 4428
I bought the $19 ND4 filter from best buy.

I tried it with my panny 7000 last night on GAME and DYNAMIC.

OMG.....


The black levels are just insane!!!!!
They should sell this projector with the ND4 filter.

Totally different projector now.

I HIGHLY recommend to everyone to try that ND4 filter.
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