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post #3301 of 4428
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Originally Posted by Dreamliner View Post

Well it cost $51 to ship the projector back to Panasonic. It really bothers me that Panasonic won't pay for shipping. I even asked the manager and they still said no.

How did you get a replacement?

Long story. Multiple issues... Definitely a huge mess in my case.
post #3302 of 4428
I think I've had a change of heart.

After all the problems that my Epson HC8100 has given me, I was inclined to go with the AE7000 for my next light cannon. But reading the threads here about Panasonic's after purchase customer service (where AE7000 owners encounter long wait times, rude CRs, and having the pay for shipping), I think I will go with the 5010. Also, I read through the Projector Reviews comparison and they give a big edge to the 5010 for 2D and overall brightness and a slight edge to the AE7000 for 3D. Considering the vast majority of my viewing with be in the second dimension, I will go with the 5010.

Let me reiterate. Despite all the problems I've had with my HC8100, Epson's customer service has been OUTSTANDING and STELLAR. Their CRs got on the phone fast and were unfailingly polite, I never had to pay for shipping, and Epson shipped replacements to me overnight. Panasonic apparently comes woefully short of that so therefore, I will give Epson my business again for the next round.
post #3303 of 4428
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Originally Posted by GalvatronType_R View Post

I think I've had a change of heart.

After all the problems that my Epson HC8100 has given me, I was inclined to go with the AE7000 for my next light cannon. But reading the threads here about Panasonic's after purchase customer service (where AE7000 owners encounter long wait times, rude CRs, and having the pay for shipping), I think I will go with the 5010. Also, I read through the Projector Reviews comparison and they give a big edge to the 5010 for 2D and overall brightness and a slight edge to the AE7000 for 3D. Considering the vast majority of my viewing with be in the second dimension, I will go with the 5010.

Let me reiterate. Despite all the problems I've had with my HC8100, Epson's customer service has been OUTSTANDING and STELLAR. Their CRs got on the phone fast and were unfailingly polite, I never had to pay for shipping, and Epson shipped replacements to me overnight. Panasonic apparently comes woefully short of that so therefore, I will give Epson my business again for the next round.

Funny, I've had the 5010, the JVC X30 and the 7000 in my house, and I'd say I liked the Epson the least for 2D (in order of preference, 7000, X30, 5010).

Why? Nothing to do with brightness or contrast, and everything to do with 24p motion. The Panasonic is the best, to me, in that regard. The contrast is better on the X30 (which didn't bother me), and the brightness is higher on the 5010 (also not an issue). The dynamic iris on the 5010 is nothing short of atrocious, with a significant color shift as it opens/closes. My wife complained about it, too, and she normally couldn't give a toss about such things. It's especially noticeable going from a dark shot to a bright next shot. Very ouch!

Also, ironically, I found the 3D image to be the best on the 5010 (in order of preference, 5010, 7000, X30). So hey, funny how that works, but the 5010 has slightly less crosstalk than the 7000, and a very bright 3D image.

In any case, overall I liked the 5010 the least. I posted about this a while back, but it was basically awful input lag (for gaming), terrible iris implementation (you can't even use it in 3D, - it's OFF!), noisiest iris on the planet (sounds like a rumbling - you'll hear it easily if you sit anywhere near the projector). I can't remember what else I complained about, but it's quite clear from my testing of the X30, 5010 and 7000: There's no perfect projector. That said, the 7000, to me at least, is without any doubt the best all-round projector. For ME, personally, the way the 7000 handles 24p sources was the deal clincher. Neither the 5010 or the X30 came anywhere close to that kind of natural 24p motion.
post #3304 of 4428
That is one thing that blows me away about the AE7000. I wasn't even sure the iris was working at first. It makes no noise and it doesn't exhibit the color shift that is very visible on Epson's projectors. I had to turn it off and on and switch between a total white and total black screen a couple times before I was satisfied it was actually on and working. The Epson has a much louder and visible iris and the BenQ iris is even worse than that.
post #3305 of 4428
Another thing I have learned about crosstalk and this pj so it seems. On my bluray player which is a bt110 there is an option to change the distance between the frames in 3d mode. I will use the scene at the end of transformers as that seems to be the most talked about but really any scene that produces "crosstalk" so to speak will always happen when the frames are furthest apart. When you watch 3d do you ever take the glasses off just to see the pic? Sometimes it can look just a little blurry while others there can be a big gap between the left and right frames and this will always bring about the worst crosstalk. Which with the right settings posted by some of the guys in this thread is very little. I can make the crosstalk disappear in a scene simply buy switching the distance with this option. If you come across any crosstalk and you have this option on your bluray player give it a go for yourself............
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post #3307 of 4428
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Originally Posted by EL Duke View Post

Another thing I have learned about crosstalk and this pj so it seems. On my bluray player which is a bt110 there is an option to change the distance between the frames in 3d mode. I will use the scene at the end of transformers as that seems to be the most talked about but really any scene that produces "crosstalk" so to speak will always happen when the frames are furthest apart. When you watch 3d do you ever take the glasses off just to see the pic? Sometimes it can look just a little blurry while others there can be a big gap between the left and right frames and this will always bring about the worst crosstalk. Which with the right settings posted by some of the guys in this thread is very little. I can make the crosstalk disappear in a scene simply buy switching the distance with this option. If you come across any crosstalk and you have this option on your bluray player give it a go for yourself............

Isn't the spacing also related to the parallax?
post #3308 of 4428
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Originally Posted by Hyper_Eye View Post

That is one thing that blows me away about the AE7000. I wasn't even sure the iris was working at first. It makes no noise and it doesn't exhibit the color shift that is very visible on Epson's projectors. I had to turn it off and on and switch between a total white and total black screen a couple times before I was satisfied it was actually on and working. The Epson has a much louder and visible iris and the BenQ iris is even worse than that.

So with the AE7000, are you saying you never see a color shift on scrolling credits at the end of a movie? I'm talking about the white letters turning from green to magenta or vice versa as the they move up the screen. I'm just looking for anyone else who sees this. Of course, I also see it in bright to dark scenes as the camera pans.
post #3309 of 4428
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Originally Posted by Carey P View Post

So with the AE7000, are you saying you never see a color shift on scrolling credits at the end of a movie? I'm talking about the white letters turning from green to magenta or vice versa as the they move up the screen. I'm just looking for anyone else who sees this. Of course, I also see it in bright to dark scenes as the camera pans.

You sound like a person that needs a projector with a manual iris or none at all.
Hopefully we'll get more choices in the coming year. The Sony VW95 might be a better option if going with an Iris.
That's if you don't mind spending more. I would recommend the RS45/x30 since it does good contrast/blacks without the DI thing or annoyance, but it doesn't do 3D as well as some of the other models.
Very nice home theater by the way!!

From all of the measurements I've seen. The Iris on some of these models is as useful as tits on a bull.
post #3310 of 4428
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Originally Posted by EL Duke View Post

On my bluray player which is a bt110 there is an option to change the distance between the frames in 3d mode.

I've not found this option directly, I have PS3 and the closes thing I found that would be similar is a screen size setting...

I wonder if this would fix my issue. I've had trouble getting 3D to look clear. My screen is 136" 2.35:1, so my projector is set to 140".

I discovered the PS3 has a similar option and was set at 100". I changed it to 136" and tried 140" and didn't see much of a change...

I also noticed the image seems to look better (but not perfect) the further back I stand...I wonder if I can manipulate the screen size options in the projector/PS3 to make is look better from the seating area.

I'd be totally fine with a "only slight" 3D effect if the image was clear.
post #3311 of 4428
What are you basing the 140" off of? I would *think* it would be based off the full frame 16:9 image. Might be tough if you're using lens shift on a 2.35 screen for 16:9.
post #3312 of 4428
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Originally Posted by ADDUpstate View Post

What are you basing the 140" off of? I would *think* it would be based off the full frame 16:9 image. Might be tough if you're using lens shift on a 2.35 screen for 16:9.

Well, most my movies are 2.35:1 and the test Blu-Rays I'm using are 2.35:1, so the screen setting of 140" is closest to the screen size..

My screen @ 16:9 = 108" diagonal.

2.35:1 @ 136" diagonal = 125" wide.
16:9 @ 125" wide = 144" diagonal.

So, either way the 140" setting is the closest to correct for 2.35:1 content.

Maybe I should try (when my projector comes back from repair) making the image as small as possible and seeing if I can get the 3D to look right...
post #3313 of 4428
Getting ready to buy a projector in the next week. This is one of my choices because of lag time. I will be projecting in a light controlled environment with about a 15' throw distance and 120" screen. Do any of you regret buying this and would buy something else?

Thanks,
post #3314 of 4428
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Originally Posted by Joesyah View Post


You sound like a person that needs a projector with a manual iris or none at all.
Hopefully we'll get more choices in the coming year. The Sony VW95 might be a better option if going with an Iris.
That's if you don't mind spending more. I would recommend the RS45/x30 since it does good contrast/blacks without the DI thing or annoyance, but it doesn't do 3D as well as some of the other models.
Very nice home theater by the way!!

From all of the measurements I've seen. The Iris on some of these models is as useful as tits on a bull.

Well, I was hoping to get response from HyperEye. The thing is that my AE2000 did not have any of these issues with the DI on, so I figured it might be just my projector unless they goofed on this model. But I have not yet heard anyone confirm seeing what I'm seeing, so I was thinking I might need to send it in at some point.
post #3315 of 4428
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Originally Posted by Dreamliner View Post

Well, most my movies are 2.35:1 and the test Blu-Rays I'm using are 2.35:1, so the screen setting of 140" is closest to the screen size..

My screen @ 16:9 = 108" diagonal.

2.35:1 @ 136" diagonal = 125" wide.
16:9 @ 125" wide = 144" diagonal.

So, either way the 140" setting is the closest to correct for 2.35:1 content.

Maybe I should try (when my projector comes back from repair) making the image as small as possible and seeing if I can get the 3D to look right...


Just happened to run across this in the manual while I was looking for something else...

If [AUTO SWITCHING] in the [LENS CONTROL] menu is set to [2.35 IMAGE DETECTION], set the size to 1.02m (40") larger than the actual screen size used for projection.

Try it out.
post #3316 of 4428
^I wonder if that applied to 3D at all.

I imaging the purpose of the screen size setting is to determine where the parallax should be. I wonder what viewing distance they are assuming, as I'm sure there is a calculation to figure all this out (Using viewing distance & screen size to figure out image shift for 3D...which is simplified by a 'screen size' setting).
post #3317 of 4428
It was a note in the 3D menu settings section.
post #3318 of 4428
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Originally Posted by Carey P View Post

So with the AE7000, are you saying you never see a color shift on scrolling credits at the end of a movie? I'm talking about the white letters turning from green to magenta or vice versa as the they move up the screen. I'm just looking for anyone else who sees this. Of course, I also see it in bright to dark scenes as the camera pans.

I have not noticed color shifting on credits. I can spend some time watching credits roll and look for it if you would like. When I switch between color modes I can see a large shift occurring, depending on the difference in the modes, but I have not noticed it happening during regular viewing. I definitely noticed it with both the Epson 8700 and the BenQ W6000. The W6000 has a particularly annoying iris.
post #3319 of 4428
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Originally Posted by Hyper_Eye View Post


I have not noticed color shifting on credits. I can spend some time watching credits roll and look for it if you would like. When I switch between color modes I can see a large shift occurring, depending on the difference in the modes, but I have not noticed it happening during regular viewing. I definitely noticed it with both the Epson 8700 and the BenQ W6000. The W6000 has a particularly annoying iris.

At least you've seen it on the other projectors so you know what it looks like. I've never seen it before I got the 7000. It's most obvious on a credit roll, but you don't need to go look for it. You would have noticed it by now. I'm pretty convinced its just my projector because I've had other weird anomalies that very few others have seen as well. The price you pay for buying the first off the assembly line I guess.
post #3320 of 4428
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Originally Posted by Carey P View Post

At least you've seen it on the other projectors so you know what it looks like. I've never seen it before I got the 7000. It's most obvious on a credit roll, but you don't need to go look for it. You would have noticed it by now. I'm pretty convinced its just my projector because I've had other weird anomalies that very few others have seen as well. The price you pay for buying the first off the assembly line I guess.

I've watched so many credits lately (for other reasons - long story - not related to the 7000), so I know my 7000 doesn't have any color shift in that regard.
post #3321 of 4428
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Originally Posted by WilliamG View Post


I've watched so many credits lately (for other reasons - long story - not related to the 7000), so I know my 7000 doesn't have any color shift in that regard.

Thanks for that confirmation! And you have a replacement from Dec. which is interesting. It would have been interesting to know if you saw it on your first projector, but I guess you had enough problems you probably wouldn't have noticed . I wonder if a firmware upgrade would fix this DI issue.
post #3322 of 4428
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Originally Posted by Carey P View Post

Thanks for that confirmation! And you have a replacement from Dec. which is interesting. It would have been interesting to know if you saw it on your first projector, but I guess you had enough problems you probably wouldn't have noticed . I wonder if a firmware upgrade would fix this DI issue.

Oh I would have noticed. My first one had no iris issues.
post #3323 of 4428
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Originally Posted by WilliamG View Post


Oh I would have noticed. My first one had no iris issues.

Oh well. Maybe if I'm lucky it will go away like the flickering issue did for others.
post #3324 of 4428
Status update time:

Positives
* Turnaround time was less than 2 days. They received my projector in the morning on Monday and had shipped it back (or a replacement) by Tuesday afternoon.
* Return shipping is 2-Day, not ground.

Negatives
* They ignored the sheet they made me print out and fill in with the address I wanted it shipped back to, instead sending it to the address I gave to the person over the phone, which was misspelled. Why make me print out a form with the address I wanted it sent to if they were just going to ignore it? Anyway, at this point, whether or not I'll get the projector back tomorrow is going to depend on if the UPS driver can figure out the typos in the address and route the package to me properly.
post #3325 of 4428
when u compare ae 7000 to epson 5010 or 6010 wihich one better ?
post #3326 of 4428
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Originally Posted by xamphear View Post

Status update time:

When you get the projector back, please update us on why you sent again, if it was fixed, and what condition the projector arrived in. Thanks!

I'll do the same.
post #3327 of 4428
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Originally Posted by LowellG View Post

Getting ready to buy a projector in the next week. This is one of my choices because of lag time. I will be projecting in a light controlled environment with about a 15' throw distance and 120" screen. Do any of you regret buying this and would buy something else?

I've had my heart set on a JVC D-ILA for several years because of the black levels (I've just migrated from an Ampro CRT PJ) but when the new models came out last year they still didn't have enough lumens for 3D, my major reason for upgrading. Almost on a whim, after reading an interview in Widescreen Review, I ordered an AE7000 without ever having seen one in action.

Except for black levels, I love it. The 2D picture is excellent (it needs calibration to be perfect) and, after playing with multiple settings, the 3D picture is decently bright and has no crosstalk. My screen size and throw distance are about the same as yours. The Stewart Filmscreen has a 1.8 gain but there's virtually no hot-spotting.

If you've haven't lived with CRT blacks for years you probably won't care too much about absolute black. This PJ's level is about the same as other light bulb PJs or what you'd see in a DLP Cinema. If I watch old B&W movies or something like Dark City I go back to the Ampro but it can't hold a candle to the brightness, punch and sharpness of the AE7000.

If JVC ever gets their act together I'll sell this one but at $2,600 instead of $8,000 I thought it was a steal and moved me into 3D.

No real regrets.
post #3328 of 4428
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Originally Posted by johnty View Post

I've had my heart set on a JVC D-ILA for several years because of the black levels (I've just migrated from an Ampro CRT PJ) but when the new models came out last year they still didn't have enough lumens for 3D, my major reason for upgrading. Almost on a whim, after reading an interview in Widescreen Review, I ordered an AE7000 without ever having seen one in action.

Except for black levels, I love it. The 2D picture is excellent (it needs calibration to be perfect) and, after playing with multiple settings, the 3D picture is decently bright and has no crosstalk. My screen size and throw distance are about the same as yours. The Stewart Filmscreen has a 1.8 gain but there's virtually no hot-spotting.

If you've haven't lived with CRT blacks for years you probably won't care too much about absolute black. This PJ's level is about the same as other light bulb PJs or what you'd see in a DLP Cinema. If I watch old B&W movies or something like Dark City I go back to the Ampro but it can't hold a candle to the brightness, punch and sharpness of the AE7000.

If JVC ever gets their act together I'll sell this one but at $2,600 instead of $8,000 I thought it was a steal and moved me into 3D.

No real regrets.


I am glad you gave me positive feedback because I ordered on last night from Visual Apex.

Do you are anybody else have some first time setup tips/mistakes to do/avoid?
post #3329 of 4428
Do the Sony PS3 3D glasses work on the Panasonic ae7000? I physically tried on a pair today and thought they were quite comfortable although heavier than the Pana gen 3's obviously, the lenses seemed a bit bigger aswell which I liked, so I thought I would buy a pair but the sales guy was adamant that they wouldn't work on the Panasonic so I left the store empty handed. I'm pretty sure I read somewhere on here that they worked.
post #3330 of 4428
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Originally Posted by nirvy111 View Post

Do the Sony PS3 3D glasses work on the Panasonic ae7000?

Yes, they should. They work fine on a Panasonic 3D plasma. I think I saw a review somewhere comparing the Panasonic, PS3 and Xpand glasses...
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Originally Posted by nirvy111 View Post

the sales guy was adamant that they wouldn't work on the Panasonic.

Sounds like a Best Buy experience. You should have asked him to direct you to the Playstation 3 TV. Lol.
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