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post #3871 of 4428
For the seating distance I was planning about 10 feet for 100 screen, which according CarltonBale.com spreadsheet should be about 39 to 40 degrees. But what I was actually wondering the best distance from the screen to mount the projector itself. Closer the projector to the screen seems like it would best from a brightness aspect. But not sure if there were any downfalls.

Thanks,
Topp
post #3872 of 4428
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Originally Posted by topp View Post

But what I was actually wondering the best distance from the screen to mount the projector itself. Closer the projector to the screen seems like it would best from a brightness aspect.
Have you used this calculator Topp?

http://www.projectorcentral.com/Panasonic-PT-AE7000-projection-calculator-pro.htm

Set your screen size ("image diagonal") to what your room dimensions and seating locations dictate, adjusted for your own individual taste, then change the "zoom" slider to determine an optimum mounting distance.

There is a fairly wide acceptable range, a function of the PT-AE7000's zoom lens limits. "Closer" = "brighter", but remember there are limits to lens shift. In an ideal world, you would not want to shift the lens at all. Nearly all installations will require some vertical lens shift. I installed mine so that no horizontal lens shift was required. You also have to consider aesthetics, if you want the projector to be unobtrusive for example.

If all this leaves your brain spinning with confusing details, then you're doing everything right biggrin.gif
post #3873 of 4428
Not sure if it has been posted here already but here goes:
For those of you interested in the PT-AT5000 (AE7000) hidden menu; proceed as follows:

Press MENU
Goto OPTION and press ENTER
Goto On Screen Display and keep ENTER pressed for a few seconds.

E voila, your hidden menu. Have fun. William G can keep his integrity;)
post #3874 of 4428
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Originally Posted by Bumper View Post

Not sure if it has been posted here already but here goes:
For those of you interested in the PT-AT5000 (AE7000) hidden menu; proceed as follows:
Press MENU
Goto OPTION and press ENTER
Goto On Screen Display and keep ENTER pressed for a few seconds.
E voila, your hidden menu. Have fun. William G can keep his integrity;)

Thanks! Saw this on another forum as well. Great to know.
post #3875 of 4428
what does it do exactly?
post #3876 of 4428
Are there any better 3d glasses then Panasonic 3rd gen for AE7000 ? I herd the bigger lens glasses give better results is that true ?
post #3877 of 4428
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Originally Posted by Bumper View Post

Not sure if it has been posted here already but here goes:
For those of you interested in the PT-AT5000 (AE7000) hidden menu; proceed as follows:
Press MENU
Goto OPTION and press ENTER
Goto On Screen Display and keep ENTER pressed for a few seconds.
E voila, your hidden menu. Have fun. William G can keep his integrity;)


Thanks so much! I was killing myself to find that menu so I can share it here. lol. Thanks again.
post #3878 of 4428
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

what does it do exactly?

+1
post #3879 of 4428
Well, not much other than display some selftest properties. The menu has some options like Frame Creation, Initialize and Extended Menu and Flicker fixer but none of those seem to do anything except for the flicker fixer. My Freame creation is set to Mode 3 in the normal menu but if says 0 in the hidden menu. I can up it to 4 but it does not change the normal menu's mode 3 in any way. Extended menu doesn't display extra options of any kind. I may have to fiddle with it some more but I must say I don't care about it much. It's just nice to know it's there.
post #3880 of 4428
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Originally Posted by Bumper View Post

Well, not much other than display some selftest properties. The menu has some options like Frame Creation, Initialize and Extended Menu and Flicker fixer but none of those seem to do anything except for the flicker fixer. My Freame creation is set to Mode 3 in the normal menu but if says 0 in the hidden menu. I can up it to 4 but it does not change the normal menu's mode 3 in any way. Extended menu doesn't display extra options of any kind. I may have to fiddle with it some more but I must say I don't care about it much. It's just nice to know it's there.

May be self explanatory, but what do you mean about flicker fixer does something? Is this strictly for 3D or related to the dreaded flicker I've read about throughout the thread?
post #3881 of 4428
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Originally Posted by MysticalJet View Post

May be self explanatory, but what do you mean about flicker fixer does something? Is this strictly for 3D or related to the dreaded flicker I've read about throughout the thread?

Yeah, sorry I see what you mean.
My projector is ceiling mounted and when selecting the flicker menu option, the screen turns upside down (so normal position for non ceiling mounted) and the picture shows only two colors (red and black) and I see some numbers in the top left corner. Probably you can do more in that menu using other remote buttons but I didn't go there. See for yourself. I don't have that flicker problem (yet) so I didn't play with it.
post #3882 of 4428
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

Also you want at least 3ft away from any side wall and ceiling to lessen any reflection from reflecting back to the screen that will washout the projected image.

That is not a requirement. I have a 106" screen in room 9.5 feet wide. It is a true dedicated room with black velvet walls, etc. and looks great. I also use a High Power screen, so any reflections come straight back, and not to the sides. Home theatre rules are not set in stone. smile.gif

One more thing. For those that are seeing cross-talk with the panny glasses, pick up some PS3 glasses. They are not as light, but there is zero cross-talk. I couldn't understand all the cross-talk complaints in this thread, until my panny glasses arrived (they were back-ordered for months). I had been using the PS3 ones up until that point, and never saw cross-talk with them.

Art
post #3883 of 4428
That is not the rule of home theatre, it's the law of physics. You said it yourself. You're using velvet wall (absorbs light reflections) and high gain screen (very low angle of reflection). Those two things allow you to have the screen next to the wall without any problem. You don't need to talk down to me. I've been designing home theatres for almost 20 years.
post #3884 of 4428
OK, not called Flicker Fixer (old Commodore Amiga device I once owned) but called Flicker Adjust. With the cursor buttons the primary colors, ceiling vs normal mount and some numbers can be changed. No idea what the numbers mean.
post #3885 of 4428
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Originally Posted by adpayne View Post

One more thing. For those that are seeing cross-talk with the panny glasses, pick up some PS3 glasses. They are not as light, but there is zero cross-talk. I couldn't understand all the cross-talk complaints in this thread, until my panny glasses arrived (they were back-ordered for months). I had been using the PS3 ones up until that point, and never saw cross-talk with them.
Art
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Originally Posted by adpayne View Post

For those that are seeing cross-talk with the panny glasses, pick up some PS3 glasses. They are not as light, but there is zero cross-talk. I couldn't understand all the cross-talk complaints in this thread, until my panny glasses arrived (they were back-ordered for months). I had been using the PS3 ones up until that point, and never saw cross-talk with them.
Art

Once again you stated the obvious like your velvet and high-gain statement. PS3 glasses is "better" than the Panny. If you set the Panny Glasses to "darker" (the darkness is very similar to PS3 glasses in "normal")they both will yield a very similar results. The darkening of the overall brightness of the glasses hides the cross-talk. Once again it's the law of physics, not one being better than the other.
post #3886 of 4428
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

Once again you stated the obvious like your velvet and high-gain statement. PS3 glasses is "better" than the Panny. If you set the Panny Glasses to "darker" (the darkness is very similar to PS3 glasses in "normal")they both will yield a very similar results. The darkening of the overall brightness of the glasses hides the cross-talk. Once again it's the law of physics, not one being better than the other.

I actually played around with the brightness setting of the glasses in the 3D menu last night. I went from High (which shows the most crosstalk) to Normal. The crosstalk decreased dramatically, but so did the brightness of the picture. So, it would stand to reason that the only reason the crosstalk decreased was because there was less contrast due to the decrease in brightness. I could probably achieve the same thing by simply decreasing the brightness of the picture. It's a lame "fix" because it decreases the brightness well below the calibrated level making it no longer fun to watch.

I have come to the conclusion that, if I want great 3D from a projector, I am going to have to spend WAY more money than what I spent on the 7000U. frown.gif
post #3887 of 4428
That is correct. The lower the contrast, the less crosstalk it will show. Unfortunately, even with passive, professional, multi tens of thousands of dollars installations, crosstalk is still there, only less severe.

I have yet to witness a crosstalk-free 3D presentation.
post #3888 of 4428
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Originally Posted by ckenisell View Post

I have come to the conclusion that, if I want great 3D from a projector, I am going to have to spend WAY more money than what I spent on the 7000U. frown.gif

Nah, if you want to get rid of crosstalk, you need to go with a DLP for 3D. Most DLP's do not have visible crosstalk when setup properly with the correct glasses.
An Optoma hd33 should have no crosstalk, nor a Benq w7000.

Check out Zombie's thread: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1382091/jvc-rs-45-sony-hw30-benq-w7000-epson-5010-mini-shootout#post_21393953

He proves no crosstalk, he took pictures very closeup to the screen with a high-end camera of the Epson 5010, Sony hw30, Benq w7000, and JVC RS-45 all playing high-contrast scenes known to ghost heavily. I heard the Mits hc7800 has some crosstalk due to an inherent design flaw or the glasses or whatever, but in general DLP's do not exhibit crosstalk. The Benq exhibits no real visible cross-talk even pumping out max lumens, hence zero. If you are getting cross-talk on a DLP, either your parallax/convergence is misconfigured or the glasses or something. All LCD's and LCOS have crosstalk, the Epson 5010 has less than the Panny, and the Sony hw30 has the least for an LCOS. Other than that, you'll have to go DLP.
Edited by coderguy - 8/10/12 at 10:45pm
post #3889 of 4428
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Originally Posted by ckenisell View Post

So, it would stand to reason that the only reason the crosstalk decreased was because there was less contrast due to the decrease in brightness. I could probably achieve the same thing by simply decreasing the brightness of the picture.(

Wrong. As it's already been discussed in this thread, the 3D glasses setting adjusts how long the blanking cycle (both shutters closed) is. It does not change the lumen output from the projector.

The purpose of the blanking cycle is to hide the slow LCD panel's transition from left to right image.
post #3890 of 4428
That is correct, it doesn't change the lumens output of the projector. However, the lower the contrast or the lower the perceived brightness, the less crosstalk you will perceive. You can try it on 3D TVs, lower the backlight and/or the contrast settings. You'll perceive less crosstalk.
post #3891 of 4428
Edit: False alarm! This is not from Panasonic.com but from a bait site setup by a vendor. Sorry, I fell for it. D'oh!

I was wondering if a new projector was comming from Panasonic this fall so I went looking.
I found a dead google link to the PT-AE8000U on Panasonic.com
Looking at google's cached version I I found what seems like a place holder with the same exact description as the PT-AE7000U.
The only new text is: "The PT-AE8000U projector is coming soon! Est. Sept 2012 "
Edited by DeKeSe - 8/11/12 at 7:03am
post #3892 of 4428
good discussions here guys.

intrigued to say the least at the prospect of a "new" projector on the horizon.
Found a "Russian" site that seems to be on the surface....ligit.
A little google translate and presto.

http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://www.tos.by/proekt_panasonic/ae8000ea.htm&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dptae8000u%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DTox%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26prmd%3Dimvns&sa=X&ei=5OYnUOOkKaOSiAKQ94GQCg&ved=0CDgQ7gEwAg

hopefully the link works.
post #3893 of 4428
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Originally Posted by Bumper View Post

OK, not called Flicker Fixer (old Commodore Amiga device I once owned) but called Flicker Adjust. With the cursor buttons the primary colors, ceiling vs normal mount and some numbers can be changed. No idea what the numbers mean.

This is not lamp flicker adjust, it's a flicker adjust for the LCD panels. Once your PJ is warmed up you enter this menu and, using the desk or ceiling screens (blue, red and green), select the number (up or down) that makes the flicker less visible (precaution: take a note of the numbers prior to change anything because they are different in each PJ).

Hidden Menu: there is a second hidden menu in the AE4000 that could be the same for the AE7000
With the AE4000 you can access the menu pressing from remote:
Power, right arrow, up arrow, down arrow, up arrow, down arrow and enter.
post #3894 of 4428
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Originally Posted by ferbal View Post

This is not lamp flicker adjust, it's a flicker adjust for the LCD panels. Once your PJ is warmed up you enter this menu and, using the desk or ceiling screens (blue, red and green), select the number (up or down) that makes the flicker less visible (precaution: take a note of the numbers prior to change anything because they are different in each PJ).
Hidden Menu: there is a second hidden menu in the AE4000 that could be the same for the AE7000
With the AE4000 you can access the menu pressing from remote:
Power, right arrow, up arrow, down arrow, up arrow, down arrow and enter.

all of this is reminiscent of cheat codes for Sega Genesis. LOL
post #3895 of 4428
Help!

When certain scenes come on while I'm watching a movie or Cable the red in the scene starts shuttering. It's kinda hard to explain, but when watching a scene with certain shades of red it looks like the red is shifting back and fourth pretty fast even though it might no other type of movement in a particular scene. Imagine a checker floor with white and red tiles. The red looks like it shutters up a few pixels then back down a few pixels quickly.

It's really really weird. I don't know what it is or what it's called much less how to fix it...
post #3896 of 4428
Read two posts back and it almost sound like a (flicker) fix for your problem..
post #3897 of 4428
The other hidden menu code also works on the PT-AT5000. Shows some of the same menu's but another status display, a Full Fan on/off mode etc. Nice to know because the status displays shows the amount of lamp resets.
post #3898 of 4428
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Originally Posted by seaterman99 View Post

intrigued to say the least at the prospect of a "new" projector on the horizon.

Vaporware.

Discussed on this thread: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1422718/panasonic-pt-ae8000u-us-version-pt-ae6000e-european-version-ifa-berlin-2012-new-lcd-1080p-3d-projector

The visualapex link now points to the PT-AE7000. At the time, the yet to be announced 8000's "specifications" were exactly the same as the 7000's.

...wIth the exception of 1073741824 flowers rolleyes.gif



The only semi-credible information regarding any future Panasonic projector may be found here: http://www.projectorreviews.com/projector-technical-blog/cedia-expo-2012-preview.html
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Panasonic has already provided their dealers with some information about their new PT-AE8000 projector. This is assumed to be the replacement for the PT-AE7000 model and is expected to be a modest update from that previous model. The new projector will be a 1080p model using 3LCD technology and will support 3D. Also the new projector is expected have a 2X zoom lens with lens memory, like its predecessor. The new model is expected to perhaps begin shipping perhaps as soon as September.

So, expect only a "modest update"... if any.
post #3899 of 4428
Up. Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left Right, B, A, select, start.
post #3900 of 4428
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Originally Posted by Bumper View Post

Read two posts back and it almost sound like a (flicker) fix for your problem..

Thanks, this is my first experience with flicker, so though I've read some things about it, seeing it in person wasn't what I was expecting.
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