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post #331 of 966
Yeah, Baby means the totally change of life.

the sales price of SUB 350 in World Wide stereo is only 250 this weekend.

could not resist now. tongue.gif
post #332 of 966
Sub 350?

If you are talking Sub 650 - I see $344?

Moreover - Vanns is the only authorized Jamo dealer in the US when last I checked. Meaning no warranty support if you buy from world wide stereo.
post #333 of 966
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Originally Posted by Archaea View Post

Sub 350?
If you are talking Sub 650 - I see $344?
Moreover - Vanns is the only authorized Jamo dealer in the US when last I checked. Meaning no warranty support if you buy from world wide stereo.

There is a coupon code (TECHB50) that brings the price to $259.

WWStereo is an authorized Klipsch dealer, so they're authorized for Jamo/Energy/Mirage.

Currently, due to the Ch.11 bankruptcy filing, Vann's is NOT an authorized Klipsch/Jamo/Energy/Mirage dealer:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/630450/energy-owners-thread/40800#post_22312949

This may only be temporary, but for now at least, buying from Vann's may mean no future warranty coverage.
post #334 of 966
sorry, typing mistake.

I saw the Bensbargains have a better deal, final price is only 250 . if WWStereo have dealership, maybe no problem.
post #335 of 966
I have been reading this thread for a long time last night I got this and ordered it from the Egg. $299 after much consideration and even coming close to a DIY. I hope I don't have upgrade fever very soon.rolleyes.gif
The sale is on again:

Klipsch Reference RW-12d 12" Powered Subwoofer Each w/ New box
$999.99 $499.99
EXTRA $200 OFF with promo code EMCNBJC22 (expires 08/23/2012)
post #336 of 966
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Originally Posted by colohtpc View Post

I have been reading this thread for a long time last night I got this and ordered it from the Egg. $299 after much consideration and even coming close to a DIY. I hope I don't have upgrade fever very soon.rolleyes.gif

What do you mean "again"? Does it ever actually stop? tongue.gif

Congrats on your sub purchase. After you have it broken in and tuned let us know what you think of it.
post #337 of 966
The sales price and discount code did stop, at least for a while I could only find it for 499 in the past couple weeks. I had been making this upgrade way too difficult for myself and so @ 299 including free shipping decided to audition in person. Is there a link to a good break in loop wav or mp3? Otherwise just playing some movies and music for how long until the break in would be considered adequate?
Thanks for all the discussions and help!!!
post #338 of 966
Hey colohtpc, I just ordered and received my rw-12d on Wednesday. So far, I am very satisfied with the sound. One thing to keep in mind, the sub is significantly larger than my previous sub (8 inch infinity sub). Newegg double boxed the shipment. I was a little concerned at first sight, after delivery, because the outer box looked beat to hell. I was relived when I opened the box and saw all the foam packing and the pristine interior box inside. smile.gif The sub is in mnt condition. Good luck and enjoy!
post #339 of 966
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Is there a link to a good break in loop wav or mp3? Otherwise just playing some movies and music for how long until the break in would be considered adequate?

The way I generally break a sub in is listen to music in a constant loop. There's a weather-only channel on cable that plays a jazz soundtrack nonstop, so I just turn that on. Before I do any review I run it for at least 12 hours. You could also just watch TV. The only thing you don't want to do is really push it too far, at least for the first few hours. But other than that, there's not a whole lot you need to do. You might find that your initial gain (volume) setting needs to be backed down a little as the sub breaks in. When things start to loosen up it tends to get a bit louder.
post #340 of 966
Sounds Good, ha ha. My next question also has been answered I am sure. While performing the "Sub Crawl" when you position the sub at your preferred listening position is that really on the floor in front of the sofa or up off the floor on some sort of platform where my ears will be? That is what I do with the Audessy Mic on a tripod. Again making too much of a plate of beans but what the heck.
post #341 of 966
Just got that sub placement question answered. For others enjoyment I picked this link off the Audyssey thread: http://www.audioholics.com/tweaks/speaker-setup-guidelines/subwoofer-placement-guidelines
post #342 of 966
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Originally Posted by JimWilson View Post

The way I generally break a sub in is listen to music in a constant loop. There's a weather-only channel on cable that plays a jazz soundtrack nonstop, so I just turn that on. Before I do any review I run it for at least 12 hours. You could also just watch TV. The only thing you don't want to do is really push it too far, at least for the first few hours. But other than that, there's not a whole lot you need to do. You might find that your initial gain (volume) setting needs to be backed down a little as the sub breaks in. When things start to loosen up it tends to get a bit louder.

As often as you break in subs, you might enjoy my method. I use Audacity's low pass filter. Set it at 120hz with at least 12db rolloff, and then modify 10 or 12 songs that have a variety of good mid-bass and low frequency bass. Burn the modified versions to disk and let it loop in my DVD player. Advantage of that is that after the first couple of hours, you can run the sub at a good volume but without hearing the high end. Just this pleasant thump in the background in my house. Or in the case of when I broke in my CHT 18.1s, impressive window vibrations when Bass I Love you cycled into play biggrin.gif
post #343 of 966
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That's pretty slick! I never head of that before. Are you sure you're a technical writer and not an engineer? tongue.gif
post #344 of 966
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That's pretty slick! I never head of that before. Are you sure you're a technical writer and not an engineer? tongue.gif

The mother of invention is impatience.

LOL

Just wanted to be able to give a sub a good work out at fairly high SPL output very quickly. I'm one of those people that feel like they can't wait to hear a sub once broken in. smile.gif
post #345 of 966
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The mother of invention is impatience.

And all this time I thought necessity was the mother of invention... tongue.gif
post #346 of 966
initial impresion of Jamo Sub 650 is good.

It was flat to about 17hz or 18hz in tatersly's room when I measured in his room so either he has some amazing room gain, or this sub produces pretty solid frequency response. I'm getting ready to setup and do some testing in my room, but initial impressions are that this sub is easily worth $250 ---

easily.




Don't buy yet, because how it does in my room may change my opinion.


I predict it will have less SPL capability than the Klipsch RW-12D, but it may just dig a bit deeper. We shall see... My room is a bass black hole. I'll be interested to see just how galactic my black hole is...

I'll post my graphs and the graphs taken in tatersly's room.

I hope to pick up one of my brothers Klipsch RW-12d subs and do some 1 on 1 testing.
post #347 of 966
looking forward to it.
post #348 of 966
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Originally Posted by Archaea View Post

initial impresion of Jamo Sub 650 is good.
It was flat to about 17hz or 18hz in tatersly's room when I measured in his room so either he has some amazing room gain, or this sub produces pretty solid frequency response. I'm getting ready to setup and do some testing in my room, but initial impressions are that this sub is easily worth $250 ---
easily.
Don't buy yet, because how it does in my room may change my opinion.
I predict it will have less SPL capability than the Klipsch RW-12D, but it may just dig a bit deeper. We shall see... My room is a bass black hole. I'll be interested to see just how galactic my black hole is...
I'll post my graphs and the graphs taken in tatersly's room.
I hope to pick up one of my brothers Klipsch RW-12d subs and do some 1 on 1 testing.

Any comments on subjective sound quality?
post #349 of 966
I've taken some initial measurements in my room now. The position I've always measured all my subs in --- this Jamo doesn't like. The frequency at about 55hz and up is a disaster. Up down narrow spikes.

I'd imagine that can be fixed by moving the sub 1 foot one way or the other along the wall - --- but then that sorta defeats the whole 'like measurements' thing I've been attempting. Meaning I've not been moving each sub around the room to find it's optimal place. I've been dropping them on the same tile and letting them rip The placement I've used is optimal for the captivators, and has worked well for other subs so far. I'll likely play with it tomorrow.

I can tell you initial observations is that the BIC F12 and the Klipsch RW-12D are both more powerful (perhaps significantly so), but that this Jamo Sub 650 extends a bit lower. In my room it extends solid to 20hz in my room. The Klipsch RW-12D pair I measured extended solid to 22hz.

As to sound quality - initial impressions are good, but my wife is shutting me down guys. Omnimic sweeps are keeping the three year old up. Sorry - I'll hopefully have more feedback for you tomorrow night.

As a tease I'll put up the measurements I took in tatersly's room, compared to them in my room.


Here is Tatersly's room before and after Audyssey with no smoothing on the FR graph
Tatersly-AudysseyEQonJamoSub650vsnoEQ--nosmoothingoneithergraph.jpg


Here is Tatersly's graph between 20hz and 70hz showing Audyssey EQ with no smoothing and with 1/6 smoothing. Look how flat that thing is after Audyssey helped it out. Tatersly runs a Onkyo 905 AVR.
Tatersly-AudysseyEQonJamoSub650-1-6smoothingvsnosmoothing-20hzto70hz.jpg


Here is Tatersly's room measurement with Audyssey applied from his Onkyo 905 and 1/6 graph smoothing vs. my room with Audyssey applied from my Onkyo TX-NR1007 and 1/6 graph smoothing. Tatersly does have about 10 dB of room gain that I don't get -- none the less, these subs extend nicely to at least 20hz even in a room with very little room gain like mine. This Jamo 650 sub does NOT have unlimited headroom. But, at the current price of $250 it seems a good product overall and a GREAT product (for the price) if you aren't seeking max SPL, or have a small room! I'll have a more in depth writeup this week.
ArchaeavsTatersly-AudysseyEQinbothroomsonJamoSub650-1-6smoothing.jpg
Edited by Archaea - 8/19/12 at 9:18pm
post #350 of 966
Thank you, Archaea.

I had decided to buy the SUB 650. Hope it is more value than the RW-12D. tongue.gif
post #351 of 966
If you need more SPL I'm pretty confident in saying the RW-12D is going to have more (perhaps lots more) --- even before 1:1 testing because I've heard both in my room and have the Klipsch graphs. I'm not ready to guess how much more without some additional testing I didn't get a chance to do tonight, but the Jamo is a nice sealed sub offering and at the $250 price point - sort of an unbelievably flat frequency response. Remember normally at this price range you are looking at the BIC F12 or Energy S10.3 - both which fall off hard at 30hz. This jamo extends nicely to 20hz. I just hope it has some guts to turn it up loud before hitting compression of the lower frequencies.
Edited by Archaea - 8/20/12 at 6:04am
post #352 of 966
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Originally Posted by Archaea View Post

It was flat to about 17hz or 18hz in tatersly's room when I measured in his room so either he has some amazing room gain, or this sub produces pretty solid frequency response.

I'm definitely glad I sent mine back now - I wasn't getting anywhere near that. Maybe upper 20's, at best, but certainly nothing like you're seeing.
post #353 of 966
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Originally Posted by Archaea View Post

If you need more SPL I'm pretty confident in saying the RW-12D is going to have more (perhaps lots more) --- even before 1:1 testing because I've heard both in my room and have the Klipsch graphs. I'm not ready to guess how much more without some additional testing I didn't get a chance to do tonight, but the Jamo is a nice sealed sub offering and at the $250 price point - sort of an unbelievably flat frequency response. Remember normally at this price range you are looking at the BIC F12 or Energy S10.3 - both which fall off hard at 30hz. This jamo extends nicely to 20hz. I just hope it has some guts to turn it up loud before hitting compression of the lower frequencies.

Actually, I just want to compare with the Energy 10.3. The sub could shock up apartment is not good for me. smile.gif
post #354 of 966
I think there might be a new sheriff in town in the realm of < $300 subwoofers.

The Jamo Sub 650 is very impressive for the price. When I consider you can buy 2 for $500 at a current sale...I think that's my new course of recommendation for king of the budget pile. Unreasonably flat to 20hz. Sealed, Subtle. It's a nice little subwoofer. Still need some time with this one and the Klipsch RW-12D side by side to know the absolute winner. Though neither is worth their retail MSRP, both are somewhat ridiculous bargains for $300 and lower.
post #355 of 966
I had ordered SUB 650. Hope I could get it in this week. tongue.gif

I could not wait for it.
post #356 of 966
Archaea, first of all, thanks for helping me out with all you've done. Me, being an absolute newby with all the audio, projectors and everything, you've made it alot easier and more confident with my decisions on the equipment i've got. Now i feel pretty good about the jamo sub 650 you've tested for me.....and every one else for that matter. Don't worry about me needing the sub back too soon...what i mean is keep it for as long as you feel needed to complete your comparisons, etc.
post #357 of 966
now im regretting my 12d purchase...
post #358 of 966
mgrotel.

I still believe the RW-12D is capable of more SPL. Don't feel bad with your purchase decision. Both are excellent choices. I don't even know which I prefer until I hear them side by side. I'm posting my review now. It should be finished mostly by morning. Hopefully I can get some time with this sub versus the RW-12D this week and then get this sub back to tatersly, who graciously loaned me the equipment before he's had much time to play with it himself! eek.gif
post #359 of 966
i just love these comparisons and find them so interesting, thanks for doing them and thanks to the guys lending out their audio equipment for it to happen.
post #360 of 966
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