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post #631 of 966
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Originally Posted by ShadowJ20 View Post

Which HSU sub are you referring to? I was thinking about getting STF-2.
I was referring to the STF-1 which also has an 8" woofer and is also under $300.The specs and design are very similar. And I read somewhere that Dr. HSU helped design the Outlaw M8.
post #632 of 966
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Originally Posted by AudioNirvana100 View Post

I was referring to the STF-1 which also has an 8" woofer and is also under $300.The specs and design are very similar. And I read somewhere that Dr. HSU helped design the Outlaw M8.

That STF-1 has got to be the deal of the century. I have one in my workshop and people can't believe all that Bass is coming from an 8 inch Sub. It's really nice for Music too. Very accurate and fast response. Can't believe how deep it goes for such a small footprint. I have the HSU bookshelf speakers as well and they blend perfectly with it. Great little setup. smile.gif
post #633 of 966
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Originally Posted by bareyb View Post

That STF-1 has got to be the deal of the century. I have one in my workshop and people can't believe all that Bass is coming from an 8 inch Sub. It's really nice for Music too. Very accurate and fast response. Can't believe how deep it goes for such a small footprint. I have the HSU bookshelf speakers as well and they blend perfectly with it. Great little setup. smile.gif
I feel the same about the M8.It sounds more like a 10" than a 8" woofer.And the amp is very powerful! I have not gone past 12 o'clock on the gain yet.Because there is no need to.I currently have it at 11 o'clock with the receiver at 0.0dB and that is enough for most music.You should try raising it.I raised it about 7 inches off the floor and noticed improvement in performance.I've just finished building my riser/isolator with thick MDF wood and stuffed it with fiberglass.It's drying in my garage right now.Anyway I think the STF-1 and M8 are probably very similar and probably the best small subwoofer bargains available.
post #634 of 966
I have trouble deciding between the M8 or the STF-1. I wouldn't mind pay more for the STF-2 if that is better than M8.
post #635 of 966
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Originally Posted by ShadowJ20 View Post

I have trouble deciding between the M8 or the STF-1. I wouldn't mind pay more for the STF-2 if that is better than M8.

How big is your room and how close will you sit to the subwoofer? Those factors are probably more important than anything else regarding whether or not you need a 10" over the 8" subs.
post #636 of 966
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

How big is your room and how close will you sit to the subwoofer? Those factors are probably more important than anything else regarding whether or not you need a 10" over the 8" subs.

My room isn't very big. But I've read here on the forum having a bigger sub woofer will give better quality bass, is this true?
post #637 of 966
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Originally Posted by ShadowJ20 View Post

My room isn't very big. But I've read here on the forum having a bigger sub woofer will give better quality bass, is this true?

Yes and no. Depends on the subwoofer smile.gif
post #638 of 966
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

Yes and no. Depends on the subwoofer smile.gif

Outlaw M8 or Klipsh RW-12?
post #639 of 966
Thread Starter 
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Jamo SUB 260
Paradigm PDR-100
Dual Electronics L12SW
Pure Acoustics Noble II

Removed
Technical Pro SW1201, SW1501 {discontinued}
Velodyne VX11 {discontinued}
Pure Acoustics Lord 10 {discontinued}
Edited by JimWilson - 6/27/13 at 4:40pm
post #640 of 966
Acoustic Audio PSW-8 for $80...no idea if it's any good smile.gif
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1620S23362
post #641 of 966
For anyone who is subscribed to this thread instead of the other budget sub thread...

Woot has a sale of Pinnacle Speakers going on right now w/ 3 subs to choose from.

http://www.woot.com/plus/go-tell-it-on-the-pinnacle-speakers
post #642 of 966
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Regarding the Pinnacle subs on w00t... be very cautious of purchasing the SuperSonic. I picked one up to try it out and possibly do a review - sadly, Pinnacle refuses to respond to anyone who wants to evaluate their products so I was forced to go this route if I wanted to try one - but it kept overheating and going into thermal shutdown. I wasn't ever able to watch a single blu-ray because of it, and that's with the subs gain at 9 o'clock and my AVR trim at 0dB.

I tried the SuperSonic because I was curious about the isobaric design (I'm fascinated by anything different like that). If Pinnacle had chosen a cooler running amp, like a Class D, it might have worked, but since they went with an A/B instead the lack of efficiency inherent in those amps caused issues. At least in this case it did.
Edited by JimWilson - 7/13/13 at 7:58am
post #643 of 966
Thanks Jim.

I just went with the RW-12d; I am very excited about my new purchase. I was leaning really hard towards the Pinnacle Baby Boomer or even their SubSonic but thanks to your review and others' postings, in the end I decided to go with the Klipsch.

I'm a total newbie here but will let you all know my thoughts.

Thanks again.

p.
post #644 of 966
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You're welcome. I hope it works out well for you.
post #645 of 966
Howdy,

Thanks again for all of the info.

Why on the back panel of the sub are there speaker binding posts? I've always hooked up my sub through the RCA jack which is the subwoofer output on my receiver. What are the binding posts for and what would be the best way to hook up my new Klipsch RW12d sub?

My 2nd question:

When I decide to go with two subs for my home theater set up should I opt for a second Klipsch RW12d? Everywhere I read folks recommend (when getting a second sub) to go with the exact same brand and model as the 1st sub. I am a total newbie but thought that two different subs with different output levels, speaker size, ect. would compliment each other and provide a richer and fuller sound. Why is my logic incorrect?

Thanks,

p.
Edited by pieper53 - 8/9/13 at 10:01pm
post #646 of 966
1st. not all receivers have a sub out... think older stereo units.
2nd. with 2 different subs, the stronger one will be limited by the lesser one... you could only turn it up so much before the 'weaker' sub reaches it's limits.
post #647 of 966
Thanks. But if the "weaker" sub has a volume control I would be able to turn it down so that it wouldn't hit its peak. Right?
post #648 of 966
Then what would the point of paying for the extra output capabilities of the more powerful sub if you can never use it? There are scenarios where blending different subs would be viable (the most common is using one near field), but it is often best practice to use two identical subs.

Edit: misread your post - thought you said turn the stronger sub down. No, you want to level match your subs at your LP, so unless you place the smaller one near field, it will limit the larger one.

As for your logic, I'm not sure where you get the idea that mismatched speakers will provide a better sound. The point of having multiple subs is for the increased headroom (3-6db over a single) and smoothing the frequency response in your room, which is best achieved by identical subs.
Edited by tenderchkn - 8/10/13 at 9:19am
post #649 of 966
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Originally Posted by pieper53 View Post

Thanks. But if the "weaker" sub has a volume control I would be able to turn it down so that it wouldn't hit its peak. Right?

Right.

Furthermore, there's no guarantee that you would ever turn your system up to the point where the stronger sub would be distorting audibly.

That all said, subs go into distortion smoothly, not abruptly like electronics. That means that there can be an audible benefit to running a larger sub at only a fraction of its maximum output.

And, one benefit of multiple subs is that when they are located in different parts of the room, they will tend to fill in each others major dips. If the subs are unequal, then the filling in action will not be maximized but it will still probably beat the tar out of nothing.
post #650 of 966
Thanks for that reply. I guess I don't fully understand how they work or the terms you are using.

If if you have two brand "A" subs wouldn't they both have "dips" at the same time? My thought is that having a brand "B" sub would "fill in" the areas that brand "A" left open (I assume I'm wrong but I'm just looking for a better understand of everything).

Thanks again,

p.
post #651 of 966
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by pieper53 View Post

If if you have two brand "A" subs wouldn't they both have "dips" at the same time? My thought is that having a brand "B" sub would "fill in" the areas that brand "A" left open (I assume I'm wrong but I'm just looking for a better understand of everything).

Unfortunately it's not quite that simple. Attempting to integrate disparate subwoofers is often a challenge, get it wrong and the low end could be awful.
post #652 of 966
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Originally Posted by JimWilson View Post

Unfortunately it's not quite that simple. Attempting to integrate disparate subwoofers is often a challenge, get it wrong and the low end could be awful.
^^+1
post #653 of 966
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Originally Posted by pieper53 View Post

Thanks for that reply. I guess I don't fully understand how they work or the terms you are using.

If if you have two brand "A" subs wouldn't they both have "dips" at the same time? My thought is that having a brand "B" sub would "fill in" the areas that brand "A" left open (I assume I'm wrong but I'm just looking for a better understand of everything).

Thanks again,

p.
In principle it makes sense that two comparable yet different subs have different peaks and dips over their respective yet overlayed frequency responses.
post #654 of 966
Anyone know where I can buy a RW-12D for $300? I would go this route because I have klipsch quintet speakers and really like them, but if I can't then I may go for the BIC PL-200 unless I'm missing something.

Thanks,
schu
post #655 of 966
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Originally Posted by akschu View Post

Anyone know where I can buy a RW-12D for $300? I would go this route because I have klipsch quintet speakers and really like them, but if I can't then I may go for the BIC PL-200 unless I'm missing something.

Thanks,
schu

Newegg.com, you just have to wait for it to go on sale which seems to happen about every week or so
post #656 of 966
Newegg is listing the RW-12D as out of stock, is that a temporary thing?
post #657 of 966
Yeah, it will usually show up again within a few days. For some reason it seems to "disappear" and then reappear out of nowhere.
post #658 of 966
I'm not really sure about that since klipsch has it listed as discontinued:

http://www.klipsch.com/rw-12d-subwoofer
post #659 of 966
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Originally Posted by akschu View Post

I'm not really sure about that since klipsch has it listed as discontinued:

http://www.klipsch.com/rw-12d-subwoofer

Yep, been like that since I bought 2 RW-12Ds a few months ago, however it'll show up again on Newegg. Been quite a few threads about it going on sale of and on:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1420999/klipsch-rw-12d-subwoofer-only-299-save-70/600
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1442829/klipsch-rw-12d-on-sale-for-299-at-newegg-com-again-today
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1452775/klipsch-reference-rw-12d-299-on-newegg-with-no-codes
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1442640/heads-up-klipsch-rw-12d-not-on-sale-but-in-stock-at-newegg
post #660 of 966
Thread Starter 
It's been like that for about 2 years.
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