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post #61 of 114
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I ran accross a thread on here where someone had stars painted in a coffered ceiling and it looked really cool. The unpainted trim etc made it very convincing that you were looking through a window at the sky.

I lucked out in that there was a joist running dead center of the room from front to back (technically 3/4" off). Originally I had hoped to do a 6x5 box arrangement but when I got to measuring I found that the space between joists, in what is now the forth bay of boxes, was an inch wider than all of the others so I couldn't make the spacing work for more than 4x.
post #62 of 114
Glow in the dark stars would look good but I think it would be difficult to charge them. With the deep boxes any uv source near the sides of the room would have a large shadow. You would probably have to walk around the room with a portable UV light and charge the paint.
post #63 of 114
I know that exact picture you're talking about because I had the same idea!

Here's my concern. In that picture, the grid was suspended below the ceiling, leaving room to look through to the ceiling. In other words, the vertical space didn't exist. In your setup, the vertical space is there, so you don't see through it to the ceiling in the adjacent box. Do you know what I mean?

Of course, you and I don't have any options there because the joists are there, but I just thought if you painted the vertical space with stars, it may mitigate that limitation.

Another option I had considered was to build the coffer about 4 inches below the ceiling, suspended. You don't get as much space, and you lose that sense of the heightened ceiling.

Anyway, just my thoughts, sorry if I derailed a bit.

EDIT: That's a good point, StockMonkey
post #64 of 114
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Glow in the dark stars would look good but I think it would be difficult to charge them. With the deep boxes any uv source near the sides of the room would have a large shadow. You would probably have to walk around the room with a portable UV light and charge the paint.


While it's not on my list of must haves, I may try to find a way to add something similar once I'm done with everything else. When done well, those ceilings look AMAZING.

I do have switched outlets on the soffits surrounding the room in front of and behind the beam and planned for rope lighting. They are connected to my grafik eye. Do you think that light will be enough to charge 'em? If not I'm ok with letting it go.
post #65 of 114
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Another option I had considered was to build the coffer about 4 inches below the ceiling, suspended. You don't get as much space, and you lose that sense of the heightened ceiling.

I was pretty surprised how much higher the room seems with the ceiling inset. The adjacent playroom is essentially the same size but feels smaller.

I'd give up the stars for the extra ceiling height any day.
post #66 of 114
What do you plan to put on the bottom cross section, trim or drywall?
post #67 of 114
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It's going to be trimmed out. I need to put together a few mockups. I want something clean and more contemporary but it still needs some details and shadow lines. The boxes and trim will all be painted the same color (TBD) so it looks like one piece.

I think it would look cool to trace each box in corner bead and just go the drywall route, but I'm not sure if drywall compound will stick to plywood without cracking or flaking? I'm just asking for trouble with that.
post #68 of 114
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picked up an oppo the other day and today I hooked it up to the LCD in the family room just for kicks. I can't believe how much faster it is than my first gen sammy. Very happy with the purchase.
post #69 of 114
Hey guys, great work so far Pinstripes. I just wanted to chime in as another local on the board here!
post #70 of 114
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So I am still trying to find a way to get into a 2.35:1 screen.
We are debating what we will watch more of - sports vs movies. In the winter when we seem to watch the most tv in general it seems we do about 30% sports, 30% hdtv, and then movies. I wonder if that will change with a dedicated room? Anyone experienced a shift to one or the other once they had their room?

My max seating distance is 13'. Any more than that and I'm behind my L/R surrounds.
I'd prefer to be around 11-12'.

I'm trying to work with a 2.35 screen size of 48"H x 112" W (somewhere around 122" diag), that way I still have close to a 100" 16x9 image. Is that too big for the distance I have to work with? Seems like everyone has a different calculation.

3.68 x img height vs 2.89 x img height vs 1.5 - 1.9 x diagonal ...

What is the best calculation to use for 2.35:1? Can the same be used for 16x9?

post #71 of 114
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same screen size - 16x9 content
post #72 of 114
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I'm trying to work with a 2.35 screen size of 48"H x 112" W (somewhere around 122" diag), that way I still have close to a 100" 16x9 image. Is that too big for the distance I have to work with? Seems like everyone has a different calculation.

Too big? Heck no! But ultimately, its a personal choice, the only calculation that matters is what size feels right to you / your circle that watches regularly with you. The THX, SMPTE, etc. guidelines might be good to start with, but if you prefer more or less immersion than the guidelines, that's what makes a HT great, you can tune it specifically to your own needs, versus a statistical average of a large population.

I sit about 12' from a 136" wide 2.35:1 image. In my case, I decided not to go CIH, but rather chose the width I wanted for 2.35:1, and the height I wanted for 16:9, so neither feels compromised - ended up with 136" x 64" viewable area, about a 2.125:1 ratio - "constant image area" more or less.

If that seems big, check tony123 and MoparMudder, which are much bigger. But its all a matter of taste. I decided on my screen size and aspect ratio by buying my projector, mounting it temporarily (sitting on boxes on top of one of my rear seats), putting up a cheap temporary screen (bleached white muslin from Joanne's), and watching movies on it at various sizes for a couple weeks, before ordering my screen.
post #73 of 114
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Wow now I have screen envy. I think I'll do some sort of stopgap DIY screen (painted or sheet) as you suggested, to experiment with sizes, seating distance etc.

From looking through your thread quick, looks like you are using the zoom method?
How is the jvc for sports?
I never use FI on my Sony LCD tvs but wonder how much improved sports would look with a good FI projector.
post #74 of 114
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I wonder if that will change with a dedicated room? Anyone experienced a shift to one or the other once they had their room?

I think that this is a REALLY good question that can only be answered by people who are on the other side of these projects. I'm especially interested in hearing from the professional installers and designers to hear their thoughts on how their clients use their theatres after several months of ownership.

I wish I could help you with screen size, pinstripes. I have always been planning on a 120" wide 2.35:1 screen because it "seems right" in the room. I mocked it up in tape and with white photographer's paper and it seems right to me. I've got more of that paper if you want to try for yourself!

How big are the screens at Audio Advice? Maybe you could bring a measuring tape and ask if you could pace out distances from their various screens. Two of them are 2.35 and one is 16x9 if I recall correctly.
post #75 of 114
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From looking through your thread quick, looks like you are using the zoom method?
How is the jvc for sports?
I never use FI on my Sony LCD tvs but wonder how much improved sports would look with a good FI projector.

Yes, manual zoom method.

I actually don't have the FIOS box hooked up, so I don't know yet about sports - I don't watch sports as often as I used to. The RS20 doesn't have FI though, so it wouldn't be as good for sports as newer projectors that have it. I use the HT room exclusively for movies and music so far; will add gaming soon (xbox 360); TV not as much of a priority, as I prefer to watch most TV programming with the lights on, closer to a fridge.

I basically starved myself of movie watching while I was building the HT, saving up a lot of titles that I wanted to watch until I had it done - and now merrily working through the backlog.
post #76 of 114
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I think that this is a REALLY good question that can only be answered by people who are on the other side of these projects. I'm especially interested in hearing from the professional installers and designers to hear their thoughts on how their clients use their theatres after several months of ownership.

I wish I could help you with screen size, pinstripes. I have always been planning on a 120" wide 2.35:1 screen because it "seems right" in the room. I mocked it up in tape and with white photographer's paper and it seems right to me. I've got more of that paper if you want to try for yourself!

How big are the screens at Audio Advice? Maybe you could bring a measuring tape and ask if you could pace out distances from their various screens. Two of them are 2.35 and one is 16x9 if I recall correctly.

You're correct. AA has 3 screens (2.35(2) and a 16x9. I measured the one 2.35 and then promptly forgot the measurement. Guess I'll have to go back (too bad)

I ended up going to JoannFabric today at lunch. What a fiasco. I was the only person under 100. Had to wait 20 mins to get the blackout cloth cut. On the bright side, it was on sale this week 50% off.
So I can experiment with screen size for the lump sum of $14.

I have drawn, used tape, contractors paper etc to try to envision the screen, but I think I won't be settled until I see a projected image.

As for forward progress, I ordered my seats the other day.
Palliser Epych 4 in a curve, power recline, bistro brown leather.

And I think I've selected a projector. I'm 98% sure I'll be going with the sony VW95ES.

onward.
post #77 of 114
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So it occurred to me today, as I was sweating over coat # 3 of drywall compound, is it sane to spend so much time on the tiny details of a room that is meant to be kept as dark as possible?
post #78 of 114
looks good
post #79 of 114
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So it occurred to me today, as I was sweating over coat # 3 of drywall compound, is it sane to spend so much time on the tiny details of a room that is meant to be kept as dark as possible?

It's not exactly sane, but...

We're not unloading the dishwashers here. There is passion with HT builds; and with passion comes a little bit of healthy insanity. This is the reason I perfectly wrapped the metal tape on a duct I just moved instead of simply slapping it on haphazardly. Will it ever be seen? Nope, but I had to get it as perfect as my skinny non-contractor IT butt could get it anyway.

By the way, keep up the good work. I'm still stealing your inset coffering idea.
post #80 of 114
I think most of us are pretty anal on these little things too - and know that if we didn't do that third coat of mud, it would probably bug us even if noone else would notice.
post #81 of 114
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Ordered my projector today!!!
Went with the Sony VPL-VW95ES.
Can't wait!

Made some pretty decent progress over the last few weeks.
After 8-10 (I lost count) buckets of mud and countless hours sanding, I finally got to paint.
Bought a graco x5 hplv sprayer and knocked out 2 coats of primer in a few hours. Then started cutting in and rolling out. Only thing left to paint is the stairwell.
I'll post some pictures later.
post #82 of 114
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Sorry for the crappy night time iPhone pics. I'll try to get out the good camera tomorrow in the daylight.

With the exception of some touch-up, the bulk of the painting is done.
The room is painted slate (restoration hardware), a dark gray color that changes brownish under different lighting conditions. The ceiling is stone (also RH), 2 shades lighter gray. The trim work is going to be a cream color.

My electrician finished up this past Thursday and they did a fantastic job. All the runs, and boxes are extremely neat and tidy. Every screw is aligned vertically etc. Super attention to detail. It's refreshing to see someone who still cares enough to do a good job.


post #83 of 114
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When I touch up the paint I need to pull both sets of surrounds and paint the grills and bezels. The white speaker grills on the ceiling isn't sooo bad, but it's awful on the columns.

But in the mean time, I dragged an old Yamaha receiver downstairs so I could have some tunes while I lay tile.

Anyone have experience painting the grills etc?
The grills are metal and the bezel is plastic. Do I roll them, spray them? Scuff and prime first? Will the interior latex even stick to them?

B&W supplies a nice paint shield that fits in the baffle so you can paint the bezel without worries of over-spray etc.

post #84 of 114
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My first time installing tile, and if I've learned one thing, it's that you can't spend too much money of a good set of knee pads.


post #85 of 114
I LOVE that gray! I have admired that section of Restoration Hardware quite a bit lately. YEAH! That looks fantastic!

Every time we were installing in-walls at a customer's home we would hand the grilles to the painters who would spray them. They always looked top-notch.
post #86 of 114
Looking really good. And as someone who recently tiled a bathroom, wet bar, and fireplace area, I hear you on the knee pads!

Keep it up.
post #87 of 114
Wow your theater is coming together and looking good!

I really like those sconces...where did you get those?

I hear you about trying to make the drywall perfect. Thanks alot for mentioning a 3rd coat of mud! I was thinking two is going to be fun enough...oh well.

Dale
post #88 of 114
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Wow your theater is coming together and looking good!

I really like those sconces...where did you get those?

I hear you about trying to make the drywall perfect. Thanks alot for mentioning a 3rd coat of mud! I was thinking two is going to be fun enough...oh well.

Dale

Thanks. I ended up getting the sconces at HomeDepot. They were cheap and had matching ceiling lights etc.

I wish the third coat was the last but I had a few areas that needed work after painting ... Can't win.
post #89 of 114
How did you like the quality of the paint from Restoration Hardware? I love the palette but I'm not crazy about the price! I have always loved the Behr ultra premium from Home Depot so it would take a lot to convince me to try another brand!
post #90 of 114
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I really like their paint. For as dark as that color is, it went on perfectly with only one coat.

Only drawback is that they didn't offer those colors in flat. The lowest gloss they have in that color family is what they creatively call "subtle velvet". Kinda looks like a mix between eggshell and satin? So my ceiling also has some velvety goodness. That said, it looks really, really nice.

I've also had good luck with sherwin williams paint, and duron for trim work.
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