What we have been waiting for? TD10 3D blu ray without conversion - Page 4

Originally Posted by icerat4

anyone on this don u there

Originally Posted by markr041

The main problems can be fixed, and just require knowledge about your blu ray player and PMB:

1. The popping up of file info: this is just an option in the Sony blu-ray player you can turn off. In the video settings of the bluray player, there is an option to show info when the audio changes (!). Turn it off. The default is on. That gets rid of the big black bars that appear at the beginning of every clip.

2. The pauses between clips: I have not found a setting on the bluray player to play clips continuously, so for now there is a fix in PMB - combining the files:
First select the files you want to combine within PMB (cntrl-click). You then choose 'Manipulate', 'Edit', 'Combine Videos' and all of those files appear in a box.
You can re-order the files any way you like, and even deselect in the box. Then just click 'Combine.'
You get a new 3D MVC file that has no pauses and is not transcoded (still 108060i MVC).The combining takes seconds.

Now burn that file to blu ray (selecting the 3D bluray option): ['Manipulate', 'Create Discs', 'Create Blu ray Discs', 3D Discs.

Now you will have a 3D blu ray that will play with no popups and continuously.

I do not know why the info says 720p on the HDTV. So still more to learn.

Originally Posted by markr041

"Got it guys had to change a setting in the cam when the option comes up on which frame rate .I am assuming that the 60p 2.0 is the one i want correct.The other top option is 60i 24p Am i correct here or do both work.cause my sony bluray is not 2.0 its a e570 .Thoughts here please."


This forum is about 3D. The "frame rate" options on the TD10 you are talking about have nothing to do with the 3D settings. 60p, 24p, 60i at 24 Mbps (not 60i 24p) are 2D options only. There is NO frame rate option in 3D mode. If you do 3D shooting with the TD10, you do not have to worry about finding or setting the frame rate, there is no choice - it is 60i, 28Mbps, MVC in 3D mode.

Originally Posted by markr041

1. The usb ports on the Sony Sx80 blu ray players are compatible with both FAT32 and NTFS drives. No 2GB limit.

2. The S580 series and up have built-in wif-fi (and two free usb ports). They are DNLA-enabled, so you can play video files stored on DNLA servers, just like the PS3.

4. The menu system for the blu ray players looks identical to that on the PS3.

Originally Posted by Richard Adams

That' not accurate. Here's the math. (multiple by 2 for 3D)

1080i60 has 62.2 million pixels per second = 1920x1080x60/2

720p60 has 55.3 million pixels per second = 1280x720x60

So there's 12.5% more pixels per second in 1080i60 than 720p60 has.

Also there's 2.3 times as many pixels in a 1080 still frame than 720. Our eyes see detail better when there is less motion. This does make a difference. I've observed from the onset that CBS and NBC's 1080 was a notch above ABC and Fox's 720. Pity that we got locked into MPEG2 (i.e. no 1080p60) for OTA since AVCHD could easily do 1080p60 in the allotted OTA bandwidth.

Applied back to the topic of this thread, the math shows (and my eyes verify) that there is always more detailed information in the original 1080i60 MVC 3D output of the TD10 and PMB than there is in the recoded 720p60 or 1080p24 output of Vegas 10. Vegas could stand some improvement, since the video quality output of PMB is better. Pay more. Get less, quality that is.

Originally Posted by Richard Adams

My bluray burner is currently installed in another PC than where I would like to use PMB.

Will the 5.8 PMB let me send the output to an iso file so I can burn it on the other machine?

If the answer is no, is there a bluray drive emulator that PMB will interoperate with so that I can accompish the same result to burn to a virtual disk, i.e. an iso file instead of a physically connected disk?

I read that a bluray drive needs to be detected to install the Sony bluray support. I can do that temporarily if it cannot be emulated.

Originally Posted by Wolfgang S.

That is not accurate too. It is wrong to count pixels only, but ignore the fact that 1080 50i/60i has significant interline flicker - what reduces effective pixel even without movement, but even more with movement. Taking that into account, 720 50p/60p is not better or worser then 1080 50i/60i and not better then 1080 24p, as long as the akquisition footage is 1080 50i/60i.

For PAL 1080 50i it is easier to generate high-quality 1080 24p from 1080 50i - making the movie about 4% longer in Vegsa. That is not possible for the NTSC version with 1080 60i, only with the PAL version. But even here you see no difference between 720 50p and 1080 24p - as long as you start with 1080 50i footage from the TD10. The reason for that is the interline flicker.

Another issue is that the MVC-Encoder in Vegas is not really bad, but it is also not the best what would be possible. For example, the maximum data rate for Blu Ray is not used really (what can be up to 40 Mbps for a single stream, for the fist and second stream in 3D together up to 60 Mbps - what does the Sony AVC encoder not use at all). Also from that side I understand that people may want to use the TD10 files without reencoding - but then you have to live with the very limited cutting possibilities that the pmb 5.8 offers.

Originally Posted by markr041

Marty: "I must be doing something wrong although I can't figure out what. Each time I follow your instructions about selecting files and then clicking on "Combine", I get the same message "Can't combine files". Is there an itermediate step not specifically mentioned in your suggested routine for creating a single combined file?"


There is no secret intermediate step.

You copy your TD10 clips to a directory, you tell PMB what directory your clips are in, and then within PMB got to that directory. Then select which clips you want to combine. Then go to Manipulate, Edit, Combine. Then Combine. That's it. I just tried it again, and it works fine.

Originally Posted by Richard Adams

The calculation shows that there is more detail in 1080 than 720 when most of the video image is stationary. A 1080i image converted to 1080p for display, as many displays do, that is mostly stationary will have no interline flicker and no degradation due to interlacing.

Originally Posted by icerat4

can anyone here confirm that this bluray player is 2.0 avchd


http://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/sto...07309#overview

Originally Posted by Videoguy68

I tried it twice with the same result. There might be a problem within the PMB software. I am going to reinstall it and see what happens.

Originally Posted by Wolfgang S.

Is there anybody yet, who has been able to playback 1080 50i or 1080 60i as 1080i (so not 720p) from an AVCHD-BD in 3D, generated with PMB 5.8? I still understood that we got only one user with 720p....

Originally Posted by icerat4

what bluray disk are the best to use when i want to burn a disk.

Originally Posted by markr041

Thanks for the upate. It could be an inadequate memory or disk space issue. Check the amount of free area for each on the computer where merging did not work.

Originally Posted by emporer

I'll be most interested to hear your results, the 580 is almost the same as the 480 bar a few little things so it will be interesting to see how you get on, I know that PMB literally just burns the files so they should play at 1080i but its just not happening, its definately the 480 thats downsizing it on the fly to 720p, yet all other formats 2d or 3d are played at what they should be.

Also with the pauses between clips, I couldnt find any way to merge all the files to one, it just wont have it.

Originally Posted by djamesb

I have been pondering this for a while and actually found an excellent review on disks and probably more than you're looking for.

http://blog.consumerpla.net/2011/01/...iew-guide.html

Down near the bottom of each page, click "Next>>" to get through all of the articles. I think around page 22 or so, you get some actual comparisons on disks. I usually use Verbatim or TDK, that is prior to reading this article again.

BD-R, recordable once
BD-RE, rewriteable
DL-Dual Layer or twice the amount recordable

Recording speed is a factor, don't spend more expensive 6X recordable disks if your burner only burns at a max 4X, etc.

Don't buy DL disks if your burner won't burn DL... or RE if it won't do RE disks.

Find out the specs on your burner before you buy.

Personally, I'm going to get a bunch of cheap ones for testing and toss, some good ones for saving, and some DL for big movies - I have grand plans...

I'll probably get a few RE just to test. Rerecording still has me scratching my head.

In regard to "archiving" long term? I keep the original movies/format backed up on 3 separate HD. Fun stuff.

Originally Posted by markr041

As has been said in this thread, only the S480+ series, with the latest update, will play 3D AVCHD 2.0 blurays.

Originally Posted by Wolfgang S.

Typically there is a kind of information bottom on your HDTV - if you press that you should see the information about the video. Do not know how it is called on your HDTV...