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post #421 of 604
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Originally Posted by Yo Joe Cola View Post

Tim, are you aware that you must change SACD/CD layers with the drive door open? It's far from intuitive but I was able to access the CD layer on all my SACD hybrids this way.

I had missed that in this thread. I will bring my discs back to the store tomorrow and check that out. I have to say, that should also be fixed with a firmware update. You'd think with all the communication between Pioneer and Apple, that Pioneer would have thought to make this procedure more intuitive and for the end user.

Thanks for the heads up.

Tim

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post #422 of 604
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Originally Posted by Vonbek777 View Post

On the 53, the drive door doesn't have to be opened, just stop twice, and the cd/sacd button on the remote. I have to use the stop twice trick and play again to get pqls to engage on regular cds as well. It is really annoying, but I can't quite come to hate this player, sounds too good.

That has not been my experience. If I am playing a M-CH SACD layer and I hit stop twice and then select CD Layer, after I hit Play, I get M-CH SACD playback again. If I'm on the 2-CH SACD layer and I hit stop twice and the select CD Layer, After I hit Play, I get 2-CH SACD again.

I'll have to try the Open Drive Door approach and see if that helps.

Tim
post #423 of 604
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Originally Posted by Mantis10 View Post

Curious as all the above players you are playing with are all on my short list as a replacement for my current Cambridge 65bd. I love the 650bd all bout discrete power. It's not that bad not having it but I'm going control 4 at home and I really hate any gear to be toggle.
I have Installed one 751bd and I thought it was stellar. I wired it both HDMI and 6 channel out and 6 channel out after calibration was amazing( all wired Audioquest).
I have not had the pleasure to play with the new Oppo 93 or 95 which I would like 2. How do you compare all these models? The BDP53fd is quirky , sounds fantastic and picture quality for everything I stick in it is stellar but the SACD issues is killing me as I use SACD often. I had no issues with DVD AUDIO.

On the NuForce Xtreme Edition of the BDP93, it was noticeably improved when using the Analog output, over the HDMI. We tried this on Classé CT-SSP, Integra DTR-9.9 and the Rotel RSP-1572 with the same type of results for all three processors. I would highly recommend the analog multi-channel output from that player.

We haven't tried the analog output stage on the Cambridge Audio Azur 751BD yet, but based on our experience with other Cambridge Audio products, I have no doubt that we will have a similar, if not superior, result. The picture on both players is easily comparable.

There is no multi-channel analog output on the BDP-53FD Elite player, but picture performance is easily in the same ballpark as the other two players. I'll have to try and see if I can experiment with the 2-channel output on the player to see how that goes.

I've not had any issues with DVD-Audio either. At least they seem to have gotten that right.

Tim
post #424 of 604
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Originally Posted by yhtomitb View Post

That has not been my experience. If I am playing a M-CH SACD layer and I hit stop twice and then select CD Layer, after I hit Play, I get M-CH SACD playback again. If I'm on the 2-CH SACD layer and I hit stop twice and the select CD Layer, After I hit Play, I get 2-CH SACD again.

I'll have to try the Open Drive Door approach and see if that helps.

Tim

Is this on all of your m-ch sacds? Or just select titles...I have a couple I can't access the cd layer at all...but on the majority of sacds the cd/sacd cycle button works without the drive tray open. Very weird.

Edit...this is with the player set to pcm in both sections of the setup menu.
post #425 of 604
Well nothing else matters anymore with the BDP53FD as it has died tonight. It has the power button blue light on and one underneath the Disc tray. It will not power on from Discrete codes , will not with power toggle codes right from the factory remote. It will not come one with a eject press on the remote or on the player. Nice right?

I've lost all kinds of faith in Pioneer over this player. They just can't do it anymore.
I'm gonna try and boot it off USB. I'm gonna download the original firmware or the latest depending on what available on the sight. This really sucks.
post #426 of 604
Wish my 52 would die. It would lessen the guilt of me switching brands.
post #427 of 604
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Originally Posted by t-town oil View Post

Wish my 52 would die. It would lessen the guilt of me switching brands.

it's not guit for me , it's disappointment , Elite products should be industry leaders not failures. They should be ashamed of themselves for putting out lesser quality units such as these and the last 2 years models.

Pioneer Elite always stood for the better quality products , pride and ownership meant a lot to many. Now today I feel that legacy is lost.
post #428 of 604
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Originally Posted by Vonbek777 View Post

Is this on all of your m-ch sacds? Or just select titles...I have a couple I can't access the cd layer at all...but on the majority of sacds the cd/sacd cycle button works without the drive tray open. Very weird.

Edit...this is with the player set to pcm in both sections of the setup menu.

I only have about 5 SACD discs at this time. All of them are Hybrid with 2-CH SACD, MC-SACD and CD layers. I have been able to use all of them, with the exception of the the Rued Langgaard Music of the Spheres disc, now that I know about the "Tray Open" technique. I already expressed to Pioneer that they need to write an addendum for the manual concerning these little idiosyncracies with the player.

I have to have the tray open on the BDP53FD when I want to change to the CD layer or back to the SACD layers. I can change from 2-CH to M-CH SACD layer with it closed, but not to the CD layer, and vice versa.

I am running in Bitstream mode. I found that if I only set the HDMI Audio Output to Bitstream it stays in that mode now. Before, I was trying to set both the Digital Out and HDMI Audio Out to Bitstream and it would forget the setting and go back to PCM after I cycled the power.

What is your take on the PCM quality for Bitstream? I am using the VSX53 at the store for now. I really haven't played with the PQLS thing very much. I'd like to hear your take on that as well.

Thanks,

Tim
post #429 of 604
so, does anyone have any idea why this thing won't play mkv's?
post #430 of 604
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Originally Posted by TheKnobb View Post

so, does anyone have any idea why this thing won't play mkv's?

Im still tryin to figure out why i bought this thing...
post #431 of 604
me too.... i mean its nice that it matches my elite receiver but what a disappointment
post #432 of 604
I was considering purchasing a 52FD until I began reading this thread. Are there other well built units I should consider? Obviously the Oppo 93 is worth considering, I had leaned towards the 52FD as it would save me $100 or so.
post #433 of 604
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Originally Posted by THe_Flash View Post

I was considering purchasing a 52FD until I began reading this thread. Are there other well built units I should consider? Obviously the Oppo 93 is worth considering, I had leaned towards the 52FD as it would save me $100 or so.

So your trying to save 100 or so right? So what kind of player are you looking for? Why the 52? Curious as if you are not a Universal disc player user , this player really has no value even if it did work correctly. Are you a universal disc player kinda person?
post #434 of 604
don't bother with the 52FD. 53FD is a completely different beast with superior upscaler, but the 52 is plain overpriced... at any price.
post #435 of 604
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Originally Posted by TheKnobb View Post

so, does anyone have any idea why this thing won't play mkv's?

My 52 plays MKVs just fine. HD and SD. I don't know why yours won't.
post #436 of 604
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

don't bother with the 52FD. 53FD is a completely different beast with superior upscaler, but the 52 is plain overpriced... at any price.

I wouldn´t go that far David, except for the video electronics (Marvell Qdeo) and power supply there´s most likely nothing superior on BDP-53FD/LX55 compared to the 52FD/440...the players look exactly the same, with minor differencies...
but the fact they still are overpriced is very well correct...
I personally compared my BDP-440 connected to the VSX-1121 (with the same Marvell Qdeo processor as the one in 53FD/LX55) on my 1080p/24 plasma TV with the BDP-LX55 hooked directly to the TV and there was pretty much nothing to compare eventually...
99% people who buy 53-FD/LX55 also have an AVR with Marvell video processing already so the most expensive feature on the player becomes somewhat redundant...
My advice is to go for 52-FD/440 if someone have the Qdeo video scaling in AVR already...
post #437 of 604
Sorry to read in this thread about the death of one of these players. R.I.P.

MKVs work for me too, the upscaling on my 53FD is definately superior to my PS3 which I was already impressed with. I use an old tech Sony DA-50ES amp so the no Marvel chipset for me...

'ho: why do you say that most people would already have an amp with the Marvel tech in it? Is that really true do you think?

I'm loving my 53 more and more. Hope it doesn't die (touch wood).
post #438 of 604
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Originally Posted by Yo Joe Cola View Post

Sorry to read in this thread about the death of one of these players. R.I.P.

MKVs work for me too, the upscaling on my 53FD is definately superior to my PS3 which I was already impressed with. I use an old tech Sony DA-50ES amp so the no Marvel chipset for me...

'ho: why do you say that most people would already have an amp with the Marvel tech in it? Is that really true do you think?

I'm loving my 53 more and more. Hope it doesn't die (touch wood).

Well, I´m certainly not 100% positive every one who buys this player has an AVR with Marvell video upscaling to hook it up with but AFAICR many people on various forums (UK, DE, USA) I saw had either higher-end Pio AVRs along with it or another brand similar higher-end AVRs, which often have Qdeo upscaling, too...
That said, I totally admit there are people without such AVRs who can definitely utilize separate HDMI outs on this player in their favor, when video is hooked up directly to the TV and audio to non-Marvell Qdeo featured AVR.
post #439 of 604
fair 'nuff.
post #440 of 604
so will mkv's play over HMG?
post #441 of 604
or do i have to put them on a thumb drive?
post #442 of 604
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Originally Posted by TheKnobb View Post

or do i have to put them on a thumb drive?

I play them via thumb drive.
I have not used the HMG, as I don't run any DLNA servers.
post #443 of 604
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Originally Posted by jleholeho View Post

99% people who buy 53-FD/LX55 also have an AVR with Marvell video processing already so the most expensive feature on the player becomes somewhat redundant...
My advice is to go for 52-FD/440 if someone have the Qdeo video scaling in AVR already...

Thats exactly why I ruled out the 53. As far as the 52, I just wanted a well built player (not cheap plastics) that gave me the ability to play some SACDs when the mood strikes me.
post #444 of 604
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Originally Posted by wwtech View Post


I play them via thumb drive.
I have not used the HMG, as I don't run any DLNA servers.

ok, cool...can't wait to get home and give it a whirl!

Is there a limit to the size thumb drive you can use?
post #445 of 604
I use a 1TB USB external SATA HDD (FAT32 formatted) and works fine with the 53, plays almost everything including mkvs. Won't play .ogg unfortunately.
post #446 of 604
If its formatted as FAT32, how do you get around file size issues? Or is it NTFS?
post #447 of 604
No it's FAT32. Don't have any super duper HD blu ray files so it's fine with the 4GB limit or whatever.
post #448 of 604
Oh... Just as a side note , NTFS works fine for bigger files... Starting to really like this thing now!!
post #449 of 604
Just a random thought but to the posters complaining that the Elite brand isn't what it used to be and that the current units are overpriced: I wouldn't blame Pioneer entirely.

The whole market has changed since the '90s. I think people now demand the lowest price more than they used to and are less willing to pay extra for ultimate luxury and build quality/materials.

Think about it, Pioneer's top-of-the-line home video unit now costs US$500 in 2012 money, yet their hi-end LD players in the '90s started in the thousands of $.

Nothing like the HLD-X0 would get made now except by a boutique manufacturer producing hand made units in very low numbers.

Pioneer tried to keep luxury alive with the Kuro sets and although they had loyal fans they just weren't competitive against the extremely cheap prices of other sets the same size.

I wish more people still valued quality and products for life but they don't in general, they value the "bargain". Pioneer has to be profitable in that world.
post #450 of 604
I agree. I'd rather spend $2,000 on the Elite BD player when it was worth the money rather than $350 on a Elite-branded TCL BD player.

Still worth the money, IMHO, but the $2,000 BDP-09 have a far better value than the $350 BDP-LX55.
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