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post #1771 of 2939
antisoma: I saw the same behavior right after I upgraded, and was able to figure out how to get it to work.

1) Remove all the shares from the Media Library Manager.
2) Shut down your SMP by unplugging it.
3) Go to your PC and DELETE all the .wd_tv folders in the shares.
4) Restart your SMP
5) Re-add the shares to the media library.
post #1772 of 2939
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Originally Posted by WDFan1970 View Post

2) Shut down your SMP by unplugging it.

Is a 3 second power button full of not sufficient?
post #1773 of 2939
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Originally Posted by WDFan1970 View Post

antisoma: I saw the same behavior right after I upgraded, and was able to figure out how to get it to work.

1) Remove all the shares from the Media Library Manager.
2) Shut down your SMP by unplugging it.
3) Go to your PC and DELETE all the .wd_tv folders in the shares.
4) Restart your SMP
5) Re-add the shares to the media library.

Many thanks, I will try this when I get home. This is my first time setting it up so it could be some random setting in windows. I will recheck all settings tonight.

Another strange problem I encountered during multiple resets of the SMP last night was the Media Library options were either "CAS_ON" or "CAS_OFF" instead of the usual "ON" or "OFF". Fixed itself after a restore to factory settings.
post #1774 of 2939
Sorry if this is common knowledge, but I didn't see this info in this thread, so I thought I'd pass it along.

I have my videos on a Win7 box with a large RAID array, and I was having pretty much all of the problems with Media Library that are described here (extreme slowness, rebuild locks up with large directories, rescans fail or give random results, "content source has been removed", etc.), until finally I couldn't connect at all, always getting "invalid username or password". While researching that error, I found this:

http://community.wdc.com/t5/WD-TV-Li...326619/page/2#

After following the directions in post #15 (changing the IRPStackSize on my Win7 box, then rebooting) everything seems to be working perfectly. The Media Library is much, much faster, and I haven't had a network problem now for a couple of days. I'm not sure this fixes everything, and it only applies if you're using SMB shares on Win7, but it sure helped me out.
post #1775 of 2939
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Originally Posted by antisoma View Post

I am slightly put off by having to grant write access to my network share (fear of wife, children or player bug deleting my media) but am starting to get over it. Any thoughts please.

I wrote about this many pages back in this thread. Basically, setup 2 user groups:
WDTV - Read/Write
Everyone - Read Only

Here are the notes I kept:

Most people use Simple Sharing on XP (same permissions for all users, so users are not defined). So, anything you type here should work.
But on Windows Vista or Windows-7 ... here is a cool way to do it:
When first connecting to Windows Shares, the default "Anonymous" network login appears. Change it to...
User:WDTV and Password:wd , checkmark "Remember Me" and then arrow cursor to the right and select green check to continue. You will not be prompted again.
- This works because your Windows Shares should be set to allow "Everyone" to connect.
- You do this because if you later decide to use the Media Library functionality (which needs full write/delete access to the media folders) you won't have to grant all the normal network users those elevated permissions. You can just set special permissions for this "WDTV" user on the Windows Shares.
post #1776 of 2939
Well I finally got tired of all my stuttering issues. I went to Fry's and bought a Netgear switch. The box is labelled model #GS108T-200NAS, but the unit itself has GS108Tv2 on the chassis. At any rate, I installed it as the switch between my NAS and the SMP. I still have my E3000 router as my internet connection but it is no longer in the flow of my video streaming. I did not do anything special configuring it, just used all the default settings. So far everything is playing great!. I have seen no stuttering on Avatar, Star Trek 2009, or Taken. Does anyone have a worst case movies to suggest, I want to stress my new setup before my return privilege expires.
post #1777 of 2939
Fyi, I have zero problems streaming 1080p content from my NAS via the Netgear GS105 ProSafe 5-port Gigabit Ethernet Desktop Switch.

I'm wired like so:

Synology DS110J NAS --> Netgear GS105 Switch --> Buffalo WZR-HP-G300NHv2 router --> WDTV Live SMP --> TV

Works like a charm.

LH
post #1778 of 2939
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Originally Posted by jsinco View Post

Well I finally got tired of all my stuttering issues. I went to Fry's and bought a Netgear switch. The box is labelled model #GS108T-200NAS, but the unit itself has GS108Tv2 on the chassis. At any rate, I installed it as the switch between my NAS and the SMP. I still have my E3000 router as my internet connection but it is no longer in the flow of my video streaming. I did not do anything special configuring it, just used all the default settings. So far everything is playing great!. I have seen no stuttering on Avatar, Star Trek 2009, or Taken. Does anyone have a worst case movies to suggest, I want to stress my new setup before my return privilege expires.

Nice to see a verify of the GS108Tv2 switch solving the problem. WDFan1970 has reported on his, but he never had any of the unmanaged switches to show that he would have a problem otherwise.

So, I have shown that going from an unmanaged GigE switch to a 10/100 switch solves the problem and you have shown that going from unmanaged to managed GigE switch solves the problem. I'm going to be ordering a couple of those Netgear switches soon.

If you can stream Avatar and StarTrek 2009 without issue you are good to go. Those are two of the files I use. If you want others that stutter with the unmanaged switch, try Dark Knight, Transformers I, Star Wars 4 or 5. These are all around 38-39 Mbps. If you have Super 8 (42.7 Mbps) or Season of the Witch (41.5 Mbps) those are two other really high bitrate titles.
post #1779 of 2939
Quick question just wanted to make sure I am understanding the box literature correctly. WD TV Live will accept mkvs encoded in x264 or h264 with DTS HD MA or TrueHD and will bit stream TrueHD but only the DTS HD MA core. Or if it is not set up to an AVR it will downmix TrueHD or DTS HD MA to stereo?

Im looking to get one and am backing up movies to my HTPC and was wondering if I would have to encode a stereo track into it? And that the WD TV Live would pick up the stereo track over the HD tracks.
post #1780 of 2939
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Originally Posted by ComptonHPD View Post

Quick question just wanted to make sure I am understanding the box literature correctly. WD TV Live will accept mkvs encoded in x264 or h264 with DTS HD MA or TrueHD and will bit stream TrueHD but only the DTS HD MA core. Or if it is not set up to an AVR it will downmix TrueHD or DTS HD MA to stereo?

Im looking to get one and am backing up movies to my HTPC and was wondering if I would have to encode a stereo track into it? And that the WD TV Live would pick up the stereo track over the HD tracks.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...364999&page=56

"WD Live players do not bitstream DTS-MA. They will extract and bitstream the core DTS audio when fed a DTS-MA source. They do bitstream DD TrueHD."

So ...

Dolby TrueHD = Dolby TrueHD

DTS Master Audio = DTS (5.1-6.1)

You don't have to have any special audio tracks available in source material. Worst case, it will down-mix to 5.1 (DD/AC3 or DTS).
post #1781 of 2939
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Originally Posted by ComptonHPD View Post

Im looking to get one and am backing up movies to my HTPC

Yes ... SMP is a good way to add media to another room (getting content from main HTPC) ... without setting up a whole new PC. Still use the main HTPC in the main room.
post #1782 of 2939
Thanks for the reply!
post #1783 of 2939
I'm considering the WD TV Live SMP (along with the Micca EP600 G2; posted the same question on its thread). I'm wondering how the Live SMP handles HDMI device changes - specifically when the audio formats supported by the device change. Will it automatically switch to outputting 2ch LPCM if the output device no longer supports bitstreaming/>2ch LPCM, and automatically switch back once 7.1ch LPCM support has returned?

I have a receiver that supports HDMI standby passthrough, and I use this to listen to audio through the display. I currently have a WD TV Live Plus, and it has problems sometimes.
post #1784 of 2939
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Originally Posted by dj9 View Post

I'm considering the WD TV Live SMP (along with the Micca EP600 G2; posted the same question on its thread). I'm wondering how the Live SMP handles HDMI device changes - specifically when the audio formats supported by the device change. Will it automatically switch to outputting 2ch LPCM if the output device no longer supports bitstreaming/>2ch LPCM, and automatically switch back once 7.1ch LPCM support has returned?

I have a receiver that supports HDMI standby passthrough, and I use this to listen with headphones occasionally. I currently have a WD TV Live Plus, and it has problems sometimes.

I always thought it was a function of the amp. The bitstream hits the amp and gets decoded. It uses the main speakers as content's channels support. If you connect the headphones, the amp down-mixes all the channels to stereo.
post #1785 of 2939
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Originally Posted by Tesla1856 View Post

I always thought it was a function of the amp. The bitstream hits the amp and gets decoded. It uses the main speakers as content's channels support. If you connect the headphones, the amp down-mixes all the channels to stereo.

This is not what HDMI standby passthrough does. Forget that I ever mentioned headphones.
post #1786 of 2939
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Originally Posted by dj9 View Post

This is not what HDMI standby passthrough does. Forget that I ever mentioned headphones.

Right (I know what HDMI pass-through is also) ... but I still think it's a function of the amp.

Whether the amp is on, or off (and sound comes from TV's stereo speakers) doesn't change what audio the WD-TV media player sends to the amp.

Try turning on HDMI-cec on the TV and amp and see if that helps.
post #1787 of 2939
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Originally Posted by Tesla1856 View Post

Right (I know what HDMI pass-through is also) ... but I still think it's a function of the amp.

Whether the amp is on, or off (and sound comes from TV's stereo speakers) doesn't change what audio the WD-TV media player sends to the amp.

Try turning on HDMI-cec on the TV and amp and see if that helps.

HDMI passthrough changes the supported audio formats reported by the amp. When the amp is turned off and HDMI passthrough is in use, only 2 channel LPCM 16/24 and 44/48 KHz are reported as supported by devices (this is what the TV supports). When turned the amp is turned on, 5.1/7.1 LPCM and DD/DTS are also listed.

The configuration works well enough with Windows and my PS3, but the WDTV Live Plus doesn't like it...thus why I want to know if other devices will handle this better.
post #1788 of 2939
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Originally Posted by dj9 View Post

The configuration works well enough with Windows and my PS3, but the WDTV Live Plus doesn't like it...thus why I want to know if other devices will handle this better.

Have you tried putting the WDTV to sleep or off before changing the power-status of the amp? Not saying it's required but maybe "suggested" ... to prevent the system from performing a HDMI negotiation at any random time. If it works, it might be a acceptable work-around.
post #1789 of 2939
I have a Pioneer amp that supports HDMI pass thru and this only with CEC turned on. However, the WDTV SMP does not operate entirely successfully with this feature.

When watching a movie with the amp off and pass thru to the TV in operation the WDTV SMP seems to send a reset signal every so often causing the TV picture to blank out. This occurs almost randomly.

Audio is not handled correctly either. With audio pass thru HDMI only enabled and the amp on then MKV files with DTS play back fine. With the amp off and the signal passed thru to the TV I get no sound. Until I go into setup switch to a different Audio option and then back again. This seems to force an information exchange between TV and WDTV thus resetting the WDTV SMP default audio parameters. Then I get sound back with DTS soundtracks when the amp is off and pass thru enabled. The last firmware update stated something like "HDMI General CEC issues fixed" but it did not fix the issues I describe above. Which is a pity because this media box is just about perfect for me.

Hope this is helpful.

Regards,

Lt. Dang
post #1790 of 2939
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Originally Posted by Lt. Dang View Post

When watching a movie with the amp off and pass thru to the TV in operation the WDTV SMP seems to send a reset signal every so often causing the TV picture to blank out. This occurs almost randomly.

Wow. I've never had video interruption (except immediately after turning on/off the receiver).

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Originally Posted by Lt. Dang View Post

Audio is not handled correctly either. With audio pass thru HDMI only enabled and the amp on then MKV files with DTS play back fine. With the amp off and the signal passed thru to the TV I get no sound. Until I go into setup switch to a different Audio option and then back again. This seems to force an information exchange between TV and WDTV thus resetting the WDTV SMP default audio parameters.

I have to do this too, sometimes even just to get the WDTV Live Plus to output any sound at all.

Thanks for sharing! Not the answer I hoped for, but it's what I needed to know.
post #1791 of 2939
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Originally Posted by jsinco View Post

Well I finally got tired of all my stuttering issues. I went to Fry's and bought a Netgear switch. The box is labelled model #GS108T-200NAS, but the unit itself has GS108Tv2 on the chassis. At any rate, I installed it as the switch between my NAS and the SMP. I still have my E3000 router as my internet connection but it is no longer in the flow of my video streaming. I did not do anything special configuring it, just used all the default settings. So far everything is playing great!. I have seen no stuttering on Avatar, Star Trek 2009, or Taken. Does anyone have a worst case movies to suggest, I want to stress my new setup before my return privilege expires.

I have a Trendnet Gigabit wireless router. Is there any advantage to using a dedicated gigabit switch?
post #1792 of 2939
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Originally Posted by majorwest View Post

I have a Trendnet Gigabit wireless router. Is there any advantage to using a dedicated gigabit switch?

Just that you would have 2 boxes/processors doing the work instead of just one. You might get better thru-put. It likely depends on how much Internet traffic you have and how much local traffic (multiple SMP streams, etc.) you have on the LAN.

If it's working, I wouldn't worry about it.
post #1793 of 2939
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Originally Posted by dj9 View Post

Wow. I've never had video interruption (except immediately after turning on/off the receiver).

Just to be clear, I think that the WDTV SMP is sending some kind of CEC reset signal to the amp and it is the amp itself which is interrupting the HDMI pass thru video signal to the TV. Rather than the WDTV interrupting the video output.

Regards,

Lt. Dang
post #1794 of 2939
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Originally Posted by Tesla1856 View Post

Just that you would have 2 boxes/processors doing the work instead of just one. You might get better thru-put. It likely depends on how much Internet traffic you have and how much local traffic (multiple SMP streams, etc.) you have on the LAN.

nope; in routers with integrated switches, the switch is a separate component (with one port going to an internal network interface) and performs no differently than an externally connected switch would. And even low-end low-capacity consumer switches/routers have sufficient fabric to saturate all ports.

By definition, switched traffic is NOT routed. It won't enter the routing stack or otherwise hit the network interface/CPU in the router at all (in fact, switches i routers may continue to work if the CPU is frozen)
post #1795 of 2939
Ok, I've tried my best to read through the posts here and on the WD forums and cannot seem to find an answer for this.

I'm using one of the lastest WD TV Live devices and cannot get audio to work reliably using the HDMI Pass-Through option. It works fine for MP3's, FLAC audio, and most video files stored on my server. But when inabled Netflix produces no audio at all. I have to set it stereo.

It's connected to the Yamaha AV-R1600 in my bedroom via HDMI cables from Element. It's not the cable, as it does work some times. It has to be a software setting or something with the HDCP Netflix uses.

Any thoughts? Anyone else have this problem?
post #1796 of 2939
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Originally Posted by Tesla1856 View Post

You do this because if you later decide to use the Media Library functionality (which needs full write/delete access to the media folders) you won't have to grant all the normal network users those elevated permissions. You can just set special permissions for this "WDTV" user on the Windows Shares.

Could you explain how to do this?
post #1797 of 2939
Ok tried to see if anything on this, couldn't find it....so here goes
Got the WDTV Live this week, and it works great on the LED upstairs, so decided to try it on the HD20 in the theater room. Well two hours later and things are still not correct.
I had to play around with the Video output just to get a clear picture (was all green and such) and still only can get it to select 1080i 60hz...nothing else seems to work. And once that worked, tried to watch a show off Netflix...well once it starts the HD20 starts looking for input...then you can hear the show but can no longer see it on the screen...have to go all the way back out just to get the main again.
I have the WD going in HDMI to a splitter and then straight to the HD20...even tried it connect directly and same issues on the colors.
Any ideas?
post #1798 of 2939
How long is your HDMI cable?
post #1799 of 2939
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Originally Posted by LVS View Post

How long is your HDMI cable?

From the switch to the PJ it's 50...with a repeater, but it was having the picture problems even with it hooked directly to the PJ with a 3 ft one as well.
Didn't try the Netflix like that...
post #1800 of 2939
Might be worth trying another box if you can't get it resolved. I have not seen this issue before.
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