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post #2161 of 4686
Thanx WD Fan.............. been over there and a few other places for reviews, including Cnet and PCMag's sites as well. Seemed to me to be a mixed bag of "love it or hate it" reviews as usual..... Just wondered if anyone here had taken the plunge since there is nothing in any threads, or any threads dedicated to it.......


Bill
post #2162 of 4686
Hi All,

got a question about my WDTV Live HD media player (purchased in 2010) that I currently run with fw 1.06.15_V.

AFAIK, it is not possible to setup the WDTV to pass-through native resolution, (unfortunately) it will always scale - please correct me if I'm wrong here and this was somehow enabled by a fw update.

Now, when I set up my video output under Settings > Audio/Video > Video Output to "HDMI 1080p60 YCbCr", I can select 12-bit in HDMI deep-color mode.

When I select "HDMI Auto" as the video output I can only select 8-bit under HDMI deep-color mode.

What exactly does the "Auto" mode do and why is limited to 8-bit deep color ?

Thanks.

- M
post #2163 of 4686
Iron Mike: Is it possible your TV doesn't actually support 12-bit color?
post #2164 of 4686
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Originally Posted by WDFan1970 View Post

Iron Mike: Is it possible your TV doesn't actually support 12-bit color?

possible, that particular TV the WDTV is connected to is from 2006... What's a good way to find out what maximum bitrate a TV supports ?

As I wrote in my post, when selecting 1080p60 output I can select 12-bit deep-color... on Auto it only gives me 8-bit option...

Thanks.

- M
post #2165 of 4686
The specs for the TV will likely indicate the color depth... Many TVs will accept a higher bit depth, but won't interpret them correctly (the color depth will be "expanded," giving a higher contrast-looking image.
post #2166 of 4686
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Originally Posted by Iron Mike View Post

possible, that particular TV the WDTV is connected to is from 2006... What's a good way to find out what maximum bitrate a TV supports ?
As I wrote in my post, when selecting 1080p60 output I can select 12-bit deep-color... on Auto it only gives me 8-bit option...
Thanks.
- M

You may want to read this.....

http://www.audioholics.com/tweaks/calibrate-your-system/hdmi-black-levels-xvycc-rgb

Quote 'Blu-ray and HD DVD movie formats are limited to 8-bit 4:2:0 YCbCr'.

My experience is to turn off xvYCC, Deep Color or whatever 12-bit Deep-Color is called. Some recent TVs will give you the option - but I found it messed with black levels etc.

There is no source material you will be seeing in 12-bit Deep-Color
post #2167 of 4686
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Originally Posted by WDFan1970 View Post

The specs for the TV will likely indicate the color depth... Many TVs will accept a higher bit depth, but won't interpret them correctly (the color depth will be "expanded," giving a higher contrast-looking image.

yeah, the TV specs of this TV don't indicate it... TV will always accept higher bit depths and disregard the (unnecessary) bits they can't process, but in some video processors you have very useful dithering options which you can only setup properly if you know what bit-depth your TV can process...

I just ran some tests, "Auto" outputs to the max resolution of the TV (obtained by the EDID) and I guess it doesn't give me 12-bit option in deep-color (when set to "Auto") b/c my TV does not support 12-bit data...

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Originally Posted by undecided View Post

You may want to read this.....
http://www.audioholics.com/tweaks/calibrate-your-system/hdmi-black-levels-xvycc-rgb
Quote 'Blu-ray and HD DVD movie formats are limited to 8-bit 4:2:0 YCbCr'.
My experience is to turn off xvYCC, Deep Color or whatever 12-bit Deep-Color is called. Some recent TVs will give you the option - but I found it messed with black levels etc.
There is no source material you will be seeing in 12-bit Deep-Color

it's not about what HD content is mastered at (I don't watch Blu-Rays through the WDTV), it's about the upscaling pipeline (upscaling SD content), and you want that to be as high as possible (in bitrate) for a much larger color space and much smoother color transitions...

upscaling at 12-bit in deep-color is obviously much preferred over upscaling in 8-bit... the reason why I was asking is b/c I would love for the WDTV to pass-through the native resolution so that my external video processor can handle the upscaling of SD content, which is superior to the WDTV...

Any suggestions on a standalone media player that allows pass-through of native resolutions and does not enforce upscaling ?

Thanks.

- M
post #2168 of 4686
First peace....

I totally understand wanting native pass-through - I want this option as well.

Now about up scaling at 12-bit resolution vs 8-bit - that really depends on your video processor internal resolution and has nothing to do with the source resolution it gets from the player (WD TV Live, Web, Blu-Ray, Satellite or whatever). All the source content will be 8-bit color (or less) so the players cannot add any detail.

I think you will find your video processor will be fine with 8-bit color if it gets native resolution.
post #2169 of 4686
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Originally Posted by undecided View Post

First peace....
I totally understand wanting native pass-through - I want this option as well.
Now about up scaling at 12-bit resolution vs 8-bit - that really depends on your video processor internal resolution and has nothing to do with the source resolution it gets from the player (WD TV Live, Web, Blu-Ray, Satellite or whatever). All the source content will will be 8-bit color (or less) so the players cannot add any detail.
I think you will find your video processor will be fine with 8-bit color if it gets native resolution.

Peace ! smile.gif

I think you confuse 12-bit resolution and 12-bit processing (for an 8-bit image)...

when you set HDMI 1080p60 YcbCr and 12-bit deep color, the upscaling and all other processing on the WDTV side will happen in 12-bit, which is def better than processing in 8 bit... I'm not saying it then passes out 12-bit - as that would be fantastic - it prob passes out 8-bit data, but that (upscaled) 8-bit 1080 frame looks better - compared to an upscaled 1080 frame with lower bitrate processing...

Now your VP, getting the WDTV signal will - if you set it up that way - also process the image, e.g. as I mentioned DITHERING (which can help with SD content) - and that as well will be done in a higher bitrate for better results, and then the signal will be passed to the TV, which then processes the signal and depending on what bitrate it is capable of, uses as much as it can and then displays the picture... here as well, the higher the bitrate is your TV can process the better your final picture will look...

- M
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Originally Posted by Iron Mike View Post


when you set HDMI 1080p60 YcbCr and 12-bit deep color, the upscaling and all other processing on the WDTV side will happen in 12-bit, which is def better than processing in 8 bit... I'm not saying it then passes out 12-bit - as that would be fantastic - it prob passes out 8-bit data, but that (upscaled) 8-bit 1080 frame looks better - compared to an upscaled 1080 frame with lower bitrate processing...

Are you sure of this? My expectation is that 12-bit deep color will only affect the output - I would hope/think that internal processing would be at the same resolution either way.
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Originally Posted by Iron Mike View Post


here as well, the higher the bitrate is your TV can process the better your final picture will look...

- M

My experience is different - setting 12-bit deep color on the TV affected black levels with no noticeable improvement in picture quality (once black levels were correctly set)
post #2171 of 4686
Hello, anybody has try the remote app for iphone on the apple store for western digital media players? Few days ago i carry my smp to my sister home for show her. I install the smp in wireless mode (with the wifi connection of my sister home), then i downloaded this app on my iphone. Then all is ok, the app find fast the device and run ok. Well, yesterday i install another time the smp in my home in wired mode, and the app dont find the device.....Then i set the smp in wireless mode with the wifi on my home and the app find the device..... I back to the wired mode and the app dont find the app. Anybody use this app and run ok with the smp in wired mode?
Thanks and sorry for my bad english....
post #2172 of 4686
My brother-in-law just got one of these players and I will admit that I haven't personally owned a WDTV device since the first version. He was asking me about metadata and scraping programs and I wasn't sure if these devices even supported that at this point. I remember using the Thumbgen program to make covers and having a .jpg folder for those but nothing like a movie "wall" or actual film information like you get with programs like MyMovies, Zappiti, Yadis, YAMJ, etc. Does such a thing exist for the WDTV Live players?
post #2173 of 4686
Yes, using specific "theme" packages written by various folks...
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What are themed packages?
post #2175 of 4686
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Originally Posted by Holiday121 View Post

What are themed packages?

http://community.wdc.com/t5/WD-TV-Live-Hub-Themes/bd-p/hub_themes

Most of these are for the HUB, but there are few developed specifically for the SMP...
post #2176 of 4686
If I use Notepad in Windows 7 to edit an .xml file in my media library, will the format be changed when I save it? Or will it still be read correctly by the WD SMP? I have only a simple edit I want to do to about 100 .xml files.

Thanks,
Jack
post #2177 of 4686
Yeah, that's no problem.
post #2178 of 4686
I've got a bizarre problem. I just purchased a new USB 3.0 hub for my HTPC running Win 8,

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008ZGKWQI/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00

But when I plug my external drives in to it that are shared on the network, they no longer show up on the WDTV Live (but of course show up on other computers). As soon as I plug them back in to my old hub or one of the ports on the computer, they show up again. I've rechecked permissions, etc... but everything looks fine. Tried rebooting the computer, unplugging the WDTV. Nothing.

Any ideas???
post #2179 of 4686
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Originally Posted by talon95 View Post

I've got a bizarre problem. I just purchased a new USB 3.0 hub for my HTPC running Win 8,
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008ZGKWQI/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00
But when I plug my external drives in to it that are shared on the network, they no longer show up on the WDTV Live (but of course show up on other computers). As soon as I plug them back in to my old hub or one of the ports on the computer, they show up again. I've rechecked permissions, etc... but everything looks fine. Tried rebooting the computer, unplugging the WDTV. Nothing.
Any ideas???

If I understand correctly ... you have a real HTPC computer that hosts drives and content that you play from WD-TV that's connected to same network. The new hub or drives aren't actually connected to WDTV.

 

I've never used a USB 3.0 hub like this. Usually, you install a USB 3.0 card in the computer. It provides 2 ports for two USB 3.0 drives. I've seen this:

http://www.startech.com/Cards-Adapters/USB-3.0/Cards/4-Port-PCI-Express-PCIe-SuperSpeed-USB-3-Controller-Card-Adapter-with-SATA-Power-Low-Profile~PEXUSB3S4V

 

I have their 2 port card ... also with NEC-Renesas chipset. I don't think a "hub" can magically handle the bandwidth. That 4 port card above requires extra controllers to handle 4 drive-ports.

 

I put all drives INSIDE the HTPC on real SATA ports or one on eSATA. Maybe a few USB drives outside machine for backups. But at some point you have to ask yourself why you don't have a NAS.

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Originally Posted by Tesla1856 View Post

If I understand correctly ... you have a real HTPC computer that hosts drives and content that you play from WD-TV that's connected to same network. The new hub or drives aren't actually connected to WDTV.

I've never used a USB 3.0 hub like this. Usually, you install a USB 3.0 card in the computer. It provides 2 ports for two USB 3.0 drives. I've seen this:
http://www.startech.com/Cards-Adapters/USB-3.0/Cards/4-Port-PCI-Express-PCIe-SuperSpeed-USB-3-Controller-Card-Adapter-with-SATA-Power-Low-Profile~PEXUSB3S4V

I have their 2 port card ... also with NEC-Renesas chipset. I don't think a "hub" can magically handle the bandwidth. That 4 port card above requires extra controllers to handle 4 drive-ports.

I put all drives INSIDE the HTPC on real SATA ports or one on eSATA. Maybe a few USB drives outside machine for backups. But at some point you have to ask yourself why you don't have a NAS.

Yes, that's correct. I realize there are other (probably better) ways to do this, but it's just odd that the drives aren't even detected by the WDTV Live. They show up on my other 2 computers in the house. There must be some odd networking quirk when they are connected through the USB 3.0 hub. Maybe the Win8 drivers or something. Just curious if anyone else had seen this.
post #2181 of 4686
I did find a workaround. Rather than going to Windows shares on the WDTVL, I added my drives to the "Videos" library on that machine and switched to using the Media Server. I just wish there was a way to add another library and not have to use the default Videos library???
post #2182 of 4686
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Originally Posted by talon95 View Post

I did find a workaround. Rather than going to Windows shares on the WDTVL, I added my drives to the "Videos" library on that machine and switched to using the Media Server. I just wish there was a way to add another library and not have to use the default Videos library???

Sitting on the fence for the answer to this one too. ^^^ Will try your solution, thanks.
post #2183 of 4686
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Originally Posted by talon95 View Post

Yes, that's correct. I realize there are other (probably better) ways to do this, but it's just odd that the drives aren't even detected by the WDTV Live. They show up on my other 2 computers in the house. There must be some odd networking quirk when they are connected through the USB 3.0 hub. Maybe the Win8 drivers or something. Just curious if anyone else had seen this.
I don't understand the problem at all and I'm scratching my head also. You have the USB hub connected to your PC and the drives on the hub have been assigned their own drive letters. If you have the root level of each drive shared, the PC should be responsible for presenting the drives to the network and it should not matter one bit to the WD Live -- unless, your sharing has a username/password issue. But then the volumes would still show up on a network scan and just not let you connect to them.

I have a multi-bay drive enclosure connected to my media-PC by a single USB cable. Windows has given each drive its own drive letter and they are shared on the network at the root level. So the multi-bay enclosure is essentially a hub. Both my WD Lives have no trouble connecting to any of the drives as a Windows Share.
post #2184 of 4686
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

I don't understand the problem at all and I'm scratching my head also. You have the USB hub connected to your PC and the drives on the hub have been assigned their own drive letters. If you have the root level of each drive shared, the PC should be responsible for presenting the drives to the network and it should not matter one bit to the WD Live -- unless, your sharing has a username/password issue. But then the volumes would still show up on a network scan and just not let you connect to them.
I have a multi-bay drive enclosure connected to my media-PC by a single USB cable. Windows has given each drive its own drive letter and they are shared on the network at the root level. So the multi-bay enclosure is essentially a hub. Both my WD Lives have no trouble connecting to any of the drives as a Windows Share.

Yes and it was *only* when connected to this new USB 3.0 hub *and* only the WDTVL couldn't see them. Both of my other computers in the house were fine. As soon as I plug the drives back in to USB ports on the mobo, they showed up again on the WDTVL.
post #2185 of 4686
I have been experimenting with connecting disks to one of my WDTV Live boxes and have been able to get up to 8 USB 2.0 drives working using two simple octopus 4 port hubs.

The other systems on my local lan see the drives and I have been able to play both SD and HD content without any problems.

But, when I try to use USB 3.0 drives, it does not work as well. If I connect a USB 3.0 drive to each port on the WDTV, it works fine. Both disks are accessible.

Using the octopus 2.0 hub, the WDTV can see a mix of 1 2.0 and 1 3.0 disk but running at USB 1.0 speed. I have not been able to get two USB 3.0 disks on a hub working.


The hubs I am using work fine on my ASUS router/media server. I have been able to get the ASUS to see 4 USB 3.0 disks and it has been able to serve them to my lan without any issues.

So, my question is: Is it possible to have more than 2 USB 3.0 disks connected to a WDTV? And if so, what kind of configuration works?


I know that there are better solutions: using an HTPC, NAS server, etc. So, you do not have to tell me that this is not the best solution. But, I'm just having a little fun trying different configurations.
(I just retired and was a san administrator with over 4,000 disks to support).
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Originally Posted by Lee Smith View Post

(I just retired and was a san administrator with over 4,000 disks to support).

Good, then you should be good at PC troubleshooting.

 

First, make sure it's not a Windows Networking problem or some strange networking problem with SMP. If you connect flash drives to the hub instead, you eliminate the controller in the external drive itself.

 

I do tech support for a major PC manufacturer. I also have my own USB 3.0 gear. I can tell you that compatibility problems with USB 3.0 is common ... especially when you have a host controller and a client controller (in the end-point device). They are constantly releasing updates. Some problems might be due to power management or signal negotiations (be sure USB 3.0 cable is good quality and not too long).

 

I suggest you buy devices with upgradable firmware and drivers. I'm liking NEC Renesas on the host side. On the client side, WD and Seagate seem to work  ... all with latest firmware and drivers. This one seems to work also... it has a Prolific PL-2773 Controller:

 

Vantec NST-380SU3

http://prolificusa.com/portfolio/pl-2773-usb3-0-esataii-to-sataii-bridge-controller/

 

Also, due to bandwidth concerns, even if it did work ... running more than one or two USB 3.0 drives on a host controller port (as with the hub) eliminates the speed advantage of USB 3.0 ... so you might as well run them over USB 2.0.

 

I mentioned the NAS because it works. A Synology 2-bay is only $200 and you can connect externals to it.

post #2187 of 4686
I cant get my WDTV live to recognise my network shares for anything.. Any tips anyone can give
post #2188 of 4686
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Originally Posted by Holiday121 View Post

I cant get my WDTV live to recognise my network shares for anything.. Any tips anyone can give

Turn off HomeGroup.

 

Set WDTV-SMP to proper Windows WorkGroup. IIRC, there is an option to reset networking (passwords, shares, etc.).

 

Also, try a static or fixed IP if having problems with it staying on network or finding DHCP server for an IP address.

post #2189 of 4686
ok let me give it a whirl let you know in a little bit
post #2190 of 4686
Anyone use a ICY DOCK MB561US-4SB-1 Quad-bay External Enclosure connected directly to their WDTV Live? Will this work?

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0090YIH3Y/ref=pe_175190_21431760_3p_M3T1_ST1_dp_1
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