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post #2431 of 2832
In all filters other than TV Show, the WD *does* sort alphabetically by XML TITLE. If you don't want to use the TV Show filter, you'll need to edit the XML to put a leading zero in front of the episode numbers and rebuild your media library.
post #2432 of 2832
Is there any way to mark video files as 'watched' (i.e. the little black/white circular icon next to the favorite icon in the gallery view)?
post #2433 of 2832
Is there a way to get the SMP to show PT 1 and PT 2 of movies? If I go through the files menu, I can see all my mkv's on my NAS, when I go through the movies tab (preferred method by far) Harry Potter Deathly Hollows will not show up (neither pt 1 or 2). I have changed the title, wording, etc but nothing. Same thing goes for LOTR extended ed (pt 1 and 2). They won't show up in the movies folder. Any suggestions?
post #2434 of 2832
What about:
Game of Thrones - 01x01 - episodename.mkv
Game of Thrones - 01x02 - episodename.mkv
etc?
post #2435 of 2832
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Originally Posted by brianley View Post

What about:
Game of Thrones - 01x01 - episodename.mkv
Game of Thrones - 01x02 - episodename.mkv
etc?

What about them?
post #2436 of 2832
You can try to recompile your media library by rescanning the shared folder through the setup menu. That does the job for me.
post #2437 of 2832
Hey, thanks for the suggestions. I finally figured things out to my liking.

The SMP will sort files alphabetically using 1x01, 1x02, .... or s01e01, s01e02, ... and do it correctly. I ran into problems when I used the "get content info" built into the player. After getting content info it listed the episodes as 1, 10, 2, 3, etc.

So if I start from a fresh folder I can add the raw files and then use the .xml files and thumbnails generated via Thmbgen. Now everything is fine. Took a long time to figure this out, but its pretty consistent. One of the things that took a long time to understand was that once things were screwed up via the "get content info" I could not just replace the xmls to get it to function properly. I had to create a new folder and start fresh.
post #2438 of 2832
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Originally Posted by Otter0911 View Post

Are you trying to get them alphabetically or numerically?

Well if you use a convention like 1x01, 1x02, etc., then alphabetically results in episode order, ie. 1, 2, ..... 10. That is what I was trying to get to.
post #2439 of 2832
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Originally Posted by John Moschella View Post

Well if you use a convention like 1x01, 1x02, etc., then alphabetically results in episode order, ie. 1, 2, ..... 10. That is what I was trying to get to.

Right. As I said above, files are sorted by TITLE (as defined in the XML), not the file name.

You can trick the WD into re-importing XML files by just renaming the parent folder, rescan the parent folder of THAT folder.
Then rename it back, if you need to, and repeat.
post #2440 of 2832
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Originally Posted by WDFan1970 View Post

Right. As I said above, files are sorted by TITLE (as defined in the XML), not the file name.

You can trick the WD into re-importing XML files by just renaming the parent folder, rescan the parent folder of THAT folder.
Then rename it back, if you need to, and repeat.

Got it!
post #2441 of 2832
This is awesome. I'd love to be able to have those screens with lots of info about the movie up. Can you tell me how to set up WD TV LIVE to do those? I do understand that I need the thumbgen, but then how do you get WDTV to go to the screen with all that info?
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

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Originally Posted by dlipter View Post

I am currently using a WDTV and use the 'List mode' (no thumbnails) to display file content.
Does this (new to me) player have a list mode to display files?
I have no use for thumbnails and prefer to display my content in list mode with just the titles listed.
Thanks

You can use ThumgGen to create a jukebox. Or if you don't like a complete jukebox you can use ThumgGen to create poster.jpg files of your movies as well. Here are a few movie wall I created with ThumgGen:

poster-2.jpg

poster-1.jpg

poster.jpg

Poster wise it should look similar to this (this Zappiti):

jukebox3.jpg


Here you can see several ThumbGen screen shoots:

http://thumbgen.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=53&Itemid=61
post #2442 of 2832
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Originally Posted by DeadEd View Post

This is awesome. I'd love to be able to have those screens with lots of info about the movie up. Can you tell me how to set up WD TV LIVE to do those? I do understand that I need the thumbgen, but then how do you get WDTV to go to the screen with all that info?

I haven't used ThumbGen for so long that I don't remember the settings for the movie wall or fanart. I would recommend for you to go to the wdtv forums. They have a lot of info I how to do it.
post #2443 of 2832
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Originally Posted by dzl13 View Post

Is there a way to get the SMP to show PT 1 and PT 2 of movies? If I go through the files menu, I can see all my mkv's on my NAS, when I go through the movies tab (preferred method by far) Harry Potter Deathly Hollows will not show up (neither pt 1 or 2). I have changed the title, wording, etc but nothing. Same thing goes for LOTR extended ed (pt 1 and 2). They won't show up in the movies folder. Any suggestions?

Not sure how you have things organized, but if you do have a MKV file for each part then simply create a thumbnail and xml file for each part with the correct file names. Then edit the xml files so the title has part 1 or part 2 and you should be good to go.

For LOTR I have one folder with the following:

LOTR - pt1.mkv
LOTR - pt2.mkv
LOTR - pt1.metathumb
LOTR - pt2.metathumb (exact copy of pt1)
LOTR - pt1.xml (with "LOTR - pt1" in the title)
LOTR - pt2.xml (with "LOTR - pt2" in the title)

The xml files are the same except for the title names.
post #2444 of 2832
So I posted a few pages back in this thread about a problem playing some blu ray rip MKV files on the live. It appears like a frame rate issue as motion does not seem "smooth" and there is a fair bit of judder which unfortunately is distracting to the point of annoyance.
It seemed isolated to the harry potter movies so i let it go. Now it's back for a different movie which has me worried that the issue may be more widespread.
I have tried reseting, rolling back the firmware, using a different hard drive (i'm playing the files locally over USB) and nothing helps. The same file plays fine on my computer through the same hard drive in VLC so that eliminates a hard drive defect issue or ripping issue. It looks like the live is struggling with these specific files for some reason.
Since I have a hard time describing the issue, I'm posting a youtube video of the problem.
Look at the motion in the scenes and how it isn't smooth. There is some very noticeable judder.
The judder isn't random, it appears in these same spots in the movie when I play them over and over again. If no one has seen this before, I'll try posting in the WD forums but I hope someone else has this same problem.

for the video, watch the pumpkins as the lighting flashes, and then when nevil moves around. it's like the flashing is somehow making the framerate hiccup....
keep in mind this issue is much more pronounced in real life. (this isn't the only time it does it, but is the most visible example i could find)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1f2Ogy5a1KM&feature=youtu.be

ps I even tried the exact setup through the composite cables on a standard def tv to elminate some tv processing or HDMI issue and it STILL does it. i think i have safely placed this into a player issue....
Edited by vilago - 2/22/13 at 7:08am
post #2445 of 2832
I'd lay odds that you downloaded a torrent where the person who encoded the movie changed the frame rate.
post #2446 of 2832
Quote:
Originally Posted by WDFan1970 View Post

I'd lay odds that you downloaded a torrent where the person who encoded the movie changed the frame rate.

ya didn't read it. this is a blu ray RIP not a torrent, therefore it's likely to also occur exactly the same if the blu ray were to be played directly. unfortunately i don't have a blu ray player so i can't test this for sure.

also i've checked the movie using software and the fram rate is 24p
post #2447 of 2832
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Originally Posted by vilago View Post

So I posted a few pages back in this thread about a problem playing some blu ray rip MKV files on the live. It appears like a frame rate issue as motion does not seem "smooth" and there is a fair bit of judder which unfortunately is distracting to the point of annoyance.
We've been trying to get to the bottom of this for a while. Currently it looks like remuxing the file and manually setting the FPS would do the trick. Can you upload the clip to mediafire or sendspace?
post #2448 of 2832
Quote:
Originally Posted by techflaws View Post

We've been trying to get to the bottom of this for a while. Currently it looks like remuxing the file and manually setting the FPS would do the trick. Can you upload the clip to mediafire or sendspace?

there's a youtube link in the post. is that ok or do you require one of those 2 sites?

Also, unlike some of the posters there, setting it to 1080p/60hz does NOT correct the issue. Only setting to 720p/60hz does it correct the issue, but introduce the pulldown framerate effect which is just unacceptable.
post #2449 of 2832
Unfortunately, I just tried remuxing at 24fps doesn't correct the issue. maybe i'm having a different problem...
post #2450 of 2832
Has anyone had experience with the Live running and playing 24/7? WD techs had concerns that it may shutdown after a period of time as it was not designed to run 24/7.
post #2451 of 2832
Quote:
Originally Posted by vilago View Post

So I posted a few pages back in this thread about a problem playing some blu ray rip MKV files on the live. It appears like a frame rate issue as motion does not seem "smooth" and there is a fair bit of judder which unfortunately is distracting to the point of annoyance.
It seemed isolated to the harry potter movies so i let it go. Now it's back for a different movie which has me worried that the issue may be more widespread.
I have tried reseting, rolling back the firmware, using a different hard drive (i'm playing the files locally over USB) and nothing helps. The same file plays fine on my computer through the same hard drive in VLC so that eliminates a hard drive defect issue or ripping issue. It looks like the live is struggling with these specific files for some reason.
Since I have a hard time describing the issue, I'm posting a youtube video of the problem.
Look at the motion in the scenes and how it isn't smooth. There is some very noticeable judder.
The judder isn't random, it appears in these same spots in the movie when I play them over and over again. If no one has seen this before, I'll try posting in the WD forums but I hope someone else has this same problem.

for the video, watch the pumpkins as the lighting flashes, and then when nevil moves around. it's like the flashing is somehow making the framerate hiccup....
keep in mind this issue is much more pronounced in real life. (this isn't the only time it does it, but is the most visible example i could find)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1f2Ogy5a1KM&feature=youtu.be

ps I even tried the exact setup through the composite cables on a standard def tv to elminate some tv processing or HDMI issue and it STILL does it. i think i have safely placed this into a player issue....

Have you tried ripping the movie to M2TS main movie only file? I've noticed that the WDTV works better with M2TS rather than MKV. When I had the WDTV2, I had a few issues with several movies like you are describing. I re-ripped the movie with ClownBD as M2TS file, and it worked fine.
post #2452 of 2832
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

Have you tried ripping the movie to M2TS main movie only file? I've noticed that the WDTV works better with M2TS rather than MKV. When I had the WDTV2, I had a few issues with several movies like you are describing. I re-ripped the movie with ClownBD as M2TS file, and it worked fine.
+1
I would second that observation. From my early days of having the Live+ I have found the WD players are very compatible with native .m2ts files. Problems with MKV are not uncommon. MKV does not really bring anything to the WD Live table over .m2ts. Although MKV contains the chapter points (wherein .m2ts has no chapter support), they don't work on the WD Live as one would want them too -- pressing the >>| & |<< buttons does not chapter skip, you have to use the menu button. Not a very compelling reason to remux a perfectly good .m2ts into MKV.
post #2453 of 2832
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Originally Posted by vilago View Post

ya didn't read it. this is a blu ray RIP not a torrent, therefore it's likely to also occur exactly the same if the blu ray were to be played directly. unfortunately i don't have a blu ray player so i can't test this for sure.

also i've checked the movie using software and the fram rate is 24p

That's what's weird. 99.99% of BDs are not 24p, they're 23.976p.

Ordinarilly, that MIGHT cause a once-in-40s jump or drop, but not the degree of judder I see in your youtube video...

BTW, I did read it. You didn't say YOU ripped it. You just said it was a BD rip. Torrents are awash in BD rips.

Another BTW... If you meant 23.976 but rounded up to 24, that's a bad habit. smile.gif 23.976 fps and 24.000 fps are VERY different.
post #2454 of 2832
Quote:
Originally Posted by golfinguy View Post

Has anyone had experience with the Live running and playing 24/7? WD techs had concerns that it may shutdown after a period of time as it was not designed to run 24/7.

Guess my use case is rather unique biggrin.gif. I have one now and will leave it running to see - but a sample size of 1 doesn't lend confidence; was looking for more data points wink.gif (this is not for home use, but in business where there would be many of these devices)


But more importantly - WD tech support told me there is no way set a password on the windows/samba share. Anyone know of a 'hack' that may secure access to the USB drive?
post #2455 of 2832
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

I would second that observation.
I wouldn't. We've been over this and like I said before, ALL my self-made BD rips run perfectly fine from MKV on both LIVEs. From what it looks like, the MKVs in questions weren't muxed properly. Cause so far remuxing each of them and setting FPS manually fixed the judder suggesting there's no problem with the MKV format as such on the LIVEs.
post #2456 of 2832
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Originally Posted by techflaws View Post

From what it looks like, the MKVs in questions weren't muxed properly. Cause so far remuxing each of them and setting FPS manually fixed the judder suggesting there's no problem with the MKV format as such on the LIVEs.
EXACTLY -- That's the point. There is enough variation in the creation of MKV and enough latitude in the format so that stuff like this happens. Problems with MKV are not uncommon, across all players. When is the last time you heard of problems with someone playing a native .m2ts on anything. And I absolutely stand by my original assertion that the WD Live is happier with .m2ts -- that has been my personal experience and in my experimentation, I've used several programs to create MKV (MakeMKV, DVD Fab, Video Redo). I have seen various playback problems with MKV on the WD Live -- certainly not all the time and not even a substantial number. Perhaps remuxing the MKV with a different program would have helped -- but why bother. I have never seen a problem with .m2ts playback on the WD Live's, so I stick with it. Yes, we've been over this before and my position has not changed -- I see no reason to take a perfectly good BD native .m2ts and remux it into some other container -- especially when it comes to playback on the WD Live. You have your observations, I have mine.
post #2457 of 2832
The biggest problem I see with M2TS is the lack of chapter support.
post #2458 of 2832
What about subtitle flags btw, does an m2ts by itself properly tell the player what forced sub to show?
post #2459 of 2832
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Originally Posted by WDFan1970 View Post

The biggest problem I see with M2TS is the lack of chapter support.
I would agree, except in this context of the WD Live. As I noted above:
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Although MKV contains the chapter points (wherein .m2ts has no chapter support), they don't work on the WD Live as one would want them too -- pressing the >>| & |<< buttons does not chapter skip, you have to use the menu button.
Given the way the WD handles chapter skip with MKV, having that support is not much of an advantage.
post #2460 of 2832
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Originally Posted by techflaws View Post

What about subtitle flags btw, does an m2ts by itself properly tell the player what forced sub to show?
Let's keep this in the context of the WD Live players which is what my original exchange was about. I'm not engaging in a general debate over MVK vs. .m2ts.

In the context of the WD Live, that is irrelevant since the WD Live doesn't handle forced subtitle flags of any container.
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