*Official* WD TV Live Streaming Media Player Thread - Page 83

Yes, it does. The forcing flag is in the SUP/PGS streams themselves... So any player that can handle forced subtitles automatically will work with native m2ts files. Sadly, the WD won't do that regardless of the container.

agreed.

and anyway, if it says it's supposed to play mkv on the box and doesn't play some of them correctly, then that's definitely a problem that needs to be resolved by WD

Thanks, that's some good info.

 

Has someone reported this bug to WD ? Seems like something they would want to fix.

But still preferable over not being able to select like chapter 23 with m2ts.
Yet! I will bug WD forever till they do.
Not necessarily. You can't expect a hardware player to compensate for all the crappy encodes out there. Heck, not even all software players do. Who knows, it might even be a bug in MKVToolnix. At least that would explain why splitting files from a 23.976 file would end up with 23.962 FPS.
Not always, it's not. I've extracted a lot of forced sub streams where not a single item is flagged as forced. So it's probably done via commands in other files (similar to IFOs on DVDs, I'm not familiar with the structure of Blurays).

Not sure what you are talking about. I rip blu-rays via MakeMKV, use the WDTV profile and have all subtitle support including forced subs. I'm watching something right now with forced subs. I don't even think you need to use the WDTV profile. That profile adds the non-forced subs option.

I agree that the chapter navigation with MIKV is horrible, it is difficult and slow.

Forced subs are handled by MakeMKV by making an independent subtitle stream that contains ONLY the forced subtitles. I believe MakeMKV also has the option to "Burn In" the forced subtitles into the primary video stream.

IMHO, "Correct" handling of forced subtitles by a media player means that the player displays the subtitles automatically, without having to manually select any subtitle stream, without having to burn them into a video stream, and without having to turn subtitles ON by default.

If you're having to do any of that, then that means the WDTV isn't handling forced subs. In effect, YOU are handling them, not the WD.

You do cause otherwise they won't be compressed with zlib (MKVToolnix does this by default) and the LIVE still only plays compressed subs.

Nope, MakeMKV doesn't touch the video, Handbrake does (as an option).

Exactly. The WDTV however still ignores this flag despite my constant naggings since day one. I'm not giving up though.

here's a link to a clip of an exact file that exhibits this issue. i tested it on my live to verifiy that clipping it didn't change anything.

watch the pumpkins, then the food as the camera pans over it, then as nevil is talking. it looks like someone else has described as dropping frames. and strangely, the lightning seems to either make the issue more visible, or somehow the flashing is messing something up. either way, can you guys test the file on your players and let me know if you see the same thing?

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/56152042/Potter.mkv

sorry about the large file size, i don't compress my blu ray rips.

I just play the movie and the forced subs are displayed and that is it. I don't have to turn on or off anything. If you think that is "incorrect" then fine.
Edited by John Moschella - 2/24/13 at 1:56pm

Which movie? Are they Forced Subs or Hardcoded?

And what is the WDTV set to under Setup > Video Settings > Subtitle Default?

Heheh... No, nothing like that; in fact, I said that is "Correct," not "incorrect." It's just that you seem to have come across the "Holy Grail," that others have search for for years and we all want to know how you did it.
Edited by WDFan1970 - 2/25/13 at 7:25am

When you do, please throw in a couple bugs for DTS-HD passthrough

I know I can't hear it, but I still want it because all my rips have it.

I don't think it would make a difference cause it really seems to be a (poorly communicated) licensing issue.

Thanks for the link. I just read the topic. Does it fully support DTS HD MA passthrough in all types of containers? M2TS with DTS HD? MKV muxed with DTS HD? All bitstream out perfectly? No dropout?
Anyone having the player can test?

Nice. I've always heard it stated that it was a "licensing issue" but never understood why you needed a license to pass-through. That was a nice, clean explanation of the license issue. Not very satisfactory, but clean nonetheless.
- thanks

What's with the huge price increase for the WD TV Live Streaming at most online stores? It seems to have corresponded to the launch of the WD TV Play. I hope it's not an attempt to reposition it as a high end player (with a corresponding price) now that the Play is out, nor a result of Sigma jacking up chip prices to try to recover from its deep troubles and stock plunge. But I can speculate endlessly - anyone have informed or semi-informed insight?

The MSRP hasn't changed, so I doubt it is WD's doing... I also don't know if i agree that it's "most" online stores...

Ya, this is not looking good.

 

Newegg only has over-priced refurbs.

 

Amazon is selling the Play cheap.

The SMP is not available on Prime any more and being treated like it's rare from other vendors.

Huh? Showing In Stock new for me...

I noticed that also. It was selling for $90 at a number of places on line before the Play was introduced. Now it is $105 at NewEgg and $120 at Amazon. The list price was always $119.99, Amazon has the list at $129.99 and so is selling it at the old list price.

If you go to the WD website listing of where to buy, there are a number of places selling it for $100, including Best Buy. What I find troubling is that the WD store is also selling it for $99 (apparently the new list price) and it is listed as out of stock. I'm not getting a warm and fuzzy feeling as to this units continued availability. Hope I'm wrong.

Ya, for me too now (at Newegg).

 

Coulda swore it said out of stock earlier.

Folks, don't panic. While I have *no* specific WD-related facts to present, I do work in an industry that is similar.

The issue is probably simply that first-tier distribution is just sold out.

Contrary to popular belief, factories don't just spend all their time making a single specific product. The WDTV isn't like an iPad that can keep a Custom Electronics Assembly/Manufacturing plant fully utilized.

WD probably orders some larger number of units at a time and then sends them to 1st tier distributors, and then the CAE goes on to making someone else's products.

If there's a run on them (think Christmas season) and distributors start running out, then what you're seeing now happens.

2nd Tier distribution and retail retail starts going out of stock, so vendors start showing out-of-stock, while other vendors' distributors still have them available.

it could be that distribution didn't anticipate the demand, and orders are now sitting in a CAE company's queue somewhere waiting to manufacture more. It can take MONTHS to get to the head of the line and get the 1st tier distributors replenished.

Amazon changes pricing constantly, based on demand. I've seen prices double between the time I've placed an order and the time it ships the next day. (Example: Bought a DVD set that was $59, and the next day, it was $109. From Amazon, not an Amazon partner.)

Officemax.com shows it sold out at $99.99. If your local store has any in stock, you can get the 20% "bag sale" discount this week...

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Been checking on prices for a while now for friends who finally decided to pick one up. Back in late May 2012 had them for $99.99 plus you get a $20 GC. 2 months later Amazon had new models for $79.99. Then BB in late Nov 2012 had a one day sale for $69.99. Amazon.com price matched BB price also. Of course no one brought any of them at those prices. But now they are looking to buy and prices have jumped through the roof. One was able to get the last model in stock at the Honolulu store and it was $99.99. Another one decided to get the newer model. I think that should just do her fine since she just wants to hook up her external HD and play the xvid avi Korean drama files off of it.

Still having auto-play issues and WD tech support is running out of ideas - already rolled back the firmware, now they want to try yet another - seems grasping at straws at this point.

Content (mp3 files) is in the root directory of the USB drive and the drive has no other files or directories on it. I setup autoplay and it recognizes the source. I reboot to check, and its inconsistent in whether or not it autoplays the content. HOWEVER, no matter whether it plays automatically or not I ALWAYS get an error message stating "The auto play content could not be accessed." with a checkbox to acknowledge.

Now if it worked consistently I could ignore the error message, but it does not. And the real problem with the message is that when I acknowledge the message.... it stops playing the content (in the event that it worked, a 50/50 chance).

Anyone using autoplay successfully?? What firmware?

To be clear ... I don't really care about minor pricing adjustments.

 

I'm just wondering if SMP is going to be discontinued (now that the Play has been released). Currently, the WDC site is offering all 3 concurrently (which is a good thing).

I went back a few months of posts and didn't see you mention it, so I'll ask: You're putting ONLY a SINGLE USB disk in PORT 1 (on the front), correct? The documentation says it will not work if there's something in port 2.

OK - had to roll back all the way to 1.10.13 to get it to play consistently upon startup. Hard to believe they have gone 4 updates now with broken auto play.

However, I still get the bogus message - which, when acknowledged, stops playing the startup content. Pressing the 'home' button rather than OK gets around it. I'm betting its because it cannot find any video content to play - its just an audio mp3 file. I can see why it would complain, but its a mistake to stop playing what was available just because there was no video associated with it. Someone didn't think that one through.

Note the post right above yours you were probably typing when I entered it.

BTW, the documentation says "Music OR Video," not both.

I'm going to try this now on the latest firmware and see what happens. Be back in < 10 min.