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post #2731 of 4707
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Originally Posted by techflaws View Post

Even when the drive has 4K sectors?
4K sectors raise the MBR limit from 2TB to 8TB. It's only Win-XP (32) that can't support GUID partition tables (GPT). When you plug the drive into your motherboard controller, things get complicated for legacy systems.

Apparently, making them work with MBR is something easy to do with external HDD because they can include the circuitry in the enclosure to make things work over USB. A simple and inexpensive multi-bay external enclosure usually doesn't have this provisioning.
post #2732 of 4707
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

When you plug the drive into your motherboard controller, things get complicated for legacy systems.

Truer words have never been spoken.....I'm looking at you Paragon GPT Loader mad.gif

Bill
post #2733 of 4707
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

Let me see if I can lessen the brain freeze now that I have an answer from Lee Smith and WDFan1970 about multiple USB drives.

You can buy a 4-bay Mediasonic HF2-SU2S2 USB enclosure for $100 from NewEgg to plug into your WD Live (they also make an 8-bay unit). Then you can add 3TB drives one at a time to fit your needs. NewEgg just had Seagate ST3000DM001 drives on sale for $114. The advantage over ready-made externals is: only 1 power plug needed; you can use better quality bare drives.

This may or may not fit your needs/desires. I only offer it as an available option.

I appreciate that my friend...this whole operation probably gives me much more trepidation than necessary. I'm really a DIY kind of guy who takes on a lot of "unknowns" and likes to learn, but for some reason this whole NAS thing really throttles the hell out of that side of me- likely because I've ingested so many/much conflicting/different methodologies. When "NAS" and "RAID/Unraid" start coming up I start sweating bullets over the idea of integrating all of it, lol. This is when the option to grab (3) 4 TB HDD's for $600 and then plug into a usb seems incalculably attractive to me. Think Megan Fox plus your fill-in-blank if that's allowable.

Your suggested option (thanks by the way, I had no clue I could get a reliable "box" that inexpensively) seems to put me at the same 12TB total for about the same cost of my 3 Seagates. But then with your angle I'm able to back things up quite easily, correct? And you did mention the ability to utilize "better" hard drives, but- and an honest question here- are the $114 options you suggested any better/more reliable or worse than the $200 Seagate Centrals? I certainly do not know of course.

I'm picking up the Live today, I figure I'll start with the 4 TB Seagate and figure out what kind of trouble I can get into with that first...I have 3 weeks to return it.

thanks a ton for your advice. It matters.

James
Edited by mastermaybe - 4/17/13 at 7:36am
post #2734 of 4707
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Originally Posted by bigbrain28 View Post

IMO (as an IT prof for 10yrs) I would rather light myself on fire than trust a Seagate with my data. Yes, they fail. A lot. You get what you pay for, which is why they are always the cheapest things available. Get WD, Toshiba or Samsung. Not Seagate. And unless you are going to run a powered USB hub, your not going to attach more than 2 HDDs to the unit itself, and simply sharing the drives over the network (as attached to another PC/Mac somewhere else, will likely not make you happy all the time (network sleep/timeouts and network speed affecting playback. I personally have ONE WD 3tb drive attached directly and the 1tb internal and its quite adequate for my needs (currently).


How long the drive lasts depends on a lot of things. All I've ever had are Seagate external HDD's and they have lasted. I think my oldest one is going on 5 years.
post #2735 of 4707
Well I got a green WD 3TB drive and put it in an external usb box was going to use it for main drive imaging and backing up some stuff, might even put a movie or 20 on it lol. Only saw 2TB and timed out while writing to it, first thing I thought was oh stupid me...whatever controller that is is old and I am lucky it can even see 2TB.
Then I moved the drive into an asus Z77 mb and still only 2TB, it shows a 1TB partition that is unformatted. I tried formatting the entire drive and it said it was 2TB, then I partitioned it and again a 2TB and a 1TB formatted the 2TB but it could do nothing with the 1Tb partition. Is this drive messed or ?
anyway back to the question what usb2.0 boxes will use 3+ TB drives?
post #2736 of 4707
All I can tell you is that I have read (and had WD confirm) that 3 and 4 TB drives work with the Live.

Don't shoot the messenger, I just know what I'm told.

Sorry you're having problems.

James
Edited by mastermaybe - 4/17/13 at 10:30am
post #2737 of 4707
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Originally Posted by etrin View Post

Well I got a green WD 3TB drive and put it in an external usb box was going to use it for main drive imaging and backing up some stuff, might even put a movie or 20 on it lol. Only saw 2TB and timed out while writing to it, first thing I thought was oh stupid me...whatever controller that is is old and I am lucky it can even see 2TB.
Then I moved the drive into an asus Z77 mb and still only 2TB, it shows a 1TB partition that is unformatted. I tried formatting the entire drive and it said it was 2TB, then I partitioned it and again a 2TB and a 1TB formatted the 2TB but it could do nothing with the 1Tb partition. Is this drive messed or ?
anyway back to the question what usb2.0 boxes will use 3+ TB drives?

What OS is the system running?

Bill
post #2738 of 4707
If I recall correctly, formatting as FAT32 there is a 2TB limit. For 3TB, the drive needs to be formatted as NTFS.
post #2739 of 4707
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Originally Posted by crussader View Post

If I recall correctly, formatting as FAT32 there is a 2TB limit. For 3TB, the drive needs to be formatted as NTFS.
It's more than that/
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1364999/official-wd-tv-live-streaming-media-player-thread/2700_100#post_23210369
post #2740 of 4707
Is it anyway possible to watch netflix outside US on WD TV Live ? WD TV Live is connected to router with static ip address and dns.

Thanks in Advance
post #2741 of 4707
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Originally Posted by arohitu View Post

Is it anyway possible to watch netflix outside US on WD TV Live ? WD TV Live is connected to router with static ip address and dns.

Thanks in Advance

Try this http://www.unblock-us.com/ they have a free 7 day trial.

Mike T
post #2742 of 4707
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Originally Posted by arohitu View Post

Is it anyway possible to watch netflix outside US on WD TV Live ? WD TV Live is connected to router with static ip address and dns.

Thanks in Advance

Yes, you can use either -

Unblock-US

Or

UnoDNS
post #2743 of 4707

I've checked the WD website to review the number of online services that are available , and I wondered if any had been added that aren't listed there? 

http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.aspx?id=920

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Originally Posted by arohitu View Post

Is it anyway possible to watch netflix outside US on WD TV Live ? WD TV Live is connected to router with static ip address and dns.

You need to use a proxy service such as a VPN (virtual private network). There are many of them out there. What you have to do is connect to their server in the US through the VPN. Then Netflix thinks you are in the US. Costs are usually about $7-10 a month for one that has good bandwidth. There are free proxys but generally the bandwidth is not good enough to watch streaming video on them. www.hidemyass.com/ is one that will give you great bandwidth (depending on many factors of course).
post #2745 of 4707
I was vacationing in Peru, Netflix , red box , vudu, amazon instants ... None worked.
post #2746 of 4707
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Originally Posted by Westly-C View Post

I've checked the WD website to review the number of online services that are available , and I wondered if any had been added that aren't listed there? 
http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.aspx?id=920

The link you posted is for the new WD TV Play device. This thread is dedicated to the WD TV Streaming Media Player (Gen 3). The two units have different online services. Which player are you interested in? You also need to identify your country of usage because the services offered differ due to location.
post #2747 of 4707
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Originally Posted by jweinel View Post

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Originally Posted by Westly-C View Post

I've checked the WD website to review the number of online services that are available , and I wondered if any had been added that aren't listed there? 
http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.aspx?id=920

The link you posted is for the new WD TV Play device. This thread is dedicated to the WD TV Streaming Media Player (Gen 3). The two units have different online services. Which player are you interested in? You also need to identify your country of usage because the services offered differ due to location.


I was interested in the Streaming Media Player-or so I thought. It doesn't seem to be featured at the WD site I was looking at, only the Hub, TV Live and the TV Play.

I was interested in an alternative to a Roku, for Netflix, Amazon, and other online services, plus streaming files from the pc, or attached drive. For use in the US.

post #2748 of 4707
The WDTV LIVE *is* the streaming media player (or what they call SMP). But WD just calls it the WDTV LIVE to confuse us. How stupid is that? Giving a different player the same name as the old one? But they only sell three now, the hub, the play, and WDTV LIVE (which is the SMP).

It took me a while to figure this out too.
Edited by DeadEd - 4/20/13 at 10:51pm
post #2749 of 4707
Not sure if this is where I post this or not, but I'll give it a shot.

I bought a WDTV Live a couple of weeks ago to try out this whole media streaming concept. Needless to say, not only did I get hooked immediately, the upgrade fever hit right a away. Consequently I have a WDTV Live with about four hours use on it that I don't need anymore. Anybody interested in this unit can PM me.
post #2750 of 4707
What are you using now for streaming instead?
post #2751 of 4707
I just wanted to clarify my earlier statement about Seagate drives, and connecting many Ext HDDs via hubs.

Firstly, I concede that usage plays a large roll in how long a drive lasts - And yes, anecdotal evidence will vary wildly, and yes, in my personal & professional experience 100% (yes, not hyperbole, an actual 100%) of Seagate drives have failed OR their controllers (IC boards) have failed - So please forgive my bias against them - at any price. The WD Hubs do sees to keep the drives running fairly constantly so as to monitor new content, so a heavy usage drive (low rpm?) would be a better choice IF you are talking archival storage.

As for connecting many HDDs to the units via a hub what I was referring to was the smaller (2.5") USB powered HDDs - A non powered hub with 4 USB powered HDDs in it needs 20v... The WD Hub is not going to provide that. So either the USB hub needs to supply 5v to each USB port (a powered hub) or the HDDs need to be the type that have their own power.
post #2752 of 4707
^ Just makes you wonder that they (WD) know about making hard drives that Seagate apparently doesn't after both have spent 35+ years in the industry.

Moving along, is "juke-boxing" of movie titles possible/easy enough to accomplish with the Live? The popcorn hour is looking a bit tempting to me due to this feature.

thanks!

James
Edited by mastermaybe - 4/23/13 at 12:31pm
post #2753 of 4707
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Originally Posted by bigbrain28 View Post

And yes, anecdotal evidence will vary wildly,
A very valid statement. I, on the other hand, have a very different anecdotal experience regarding Seagate drives. I have always used Seagate drives since the early days and have never had a failure. I have had Seagates on all my laboratory equipment at work running 24x7 and they last the 7-8 yr life of the PC -- the HDD never dies, we scrap the PC. Because of that experience I chose Seagates for my home drives and have never been disappointed. I currently have 8 of them running on my equipment at home with various ages dating back several years. Six of them run 24x7 in my media servers.

So, as you say, anecdotal evidence can vary a lot.
post #2754 of 4707
What an odd statement. 100% of ALL hard drives fail. Manufacturer makes no difference. smile.gif
post #2755 of 4707
Not really. 100% of all people die.
post #2756 of 4707
Netflix Issue

Recently I have noticed that when watching a Netflix video on my SMP the picture gets noticeably dim. Netflix menu screens appear normal. This happens only when actually playing something. This requires punching up the brightness and contrast to get an acceptable image. Stopping play and returning to the Netflix menu or switching to some other source on the SMP leaves me in torch mode requiring a reset of these settings. Has anyone else noticed this or is it just me?

Dan
post #2757 of 4707
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Originally Posted by bigbrain28 View Post

I just wanted to clarify my earlier statement about Seagate drives, and connecting many Ext HDDs via hubs.

Firstly, I concede that usage plays a large roll in how long a drive lasts - And yes, anecdotal evidence will vary wildly, and yes, in my personal & professional experience 100% (yes, not hyperbole, an actual 100%) of Seagate drives have failed OR their controllers (IC boards) have failed - So please forgive my bias against them - at any price. The WD Hubs do sees to keep the drives running fairly constantly so as to monitor new content, so a heavy usage drive (low rpm?) would be a better choice IF you are talking archival storage.

As for connecting many HDDs to the units via a hub what I was referring to was the smaller (2.5") USB powered HDDs - A non powered hub with 4 USB powered HDDs in it needs 20v... The WD Hub is not going to provide that. So either the USB hub needs to supply 5v to each USB port (a powered hub) or the HDDs need to be the type that have their own power.

More anecdotal evidence.... We build white box storage servers for backups and data archiving. After about 4 years of building them, we're at around 720TB of storage. We start off using primarily Seagate 2TB SATA drives. We've since switched to NL SAS, but still Seagate. In that time we've had maybe 15 or so drives fail. A 4% failure rate is about expected. Recently due to a change over in drive lines we had to switch to Western Digital. No failures there yet... Overall I don't think we've had to RMA any of the in warranty drives we have running on these boxes.

The funny thing is our most recent drive failure was two drive in an EMC Celerra CX240....

Google did a drive study a few years back that found a few interesting things. Drive usage patterns only matter on very new or very old drives, SMART is a terrible indicator of drive failure, but if you do get certain SMART errors you're in for bad news. Drives do fail in batches....

There's a good summary here:

http://storagemojo.com/2007/02/19/googles-disk-failure-experience/
post #2758 of 4707
Can I ask a more general question re file playback here? It's involving the Live. tongue.gif

So I found out that the USB drive on my 4TB Seagate Central is ONLY for connecting another HDD. It will not output files so I can forget about connecting it directly to my WD Live.

That said, what am I losing going through my router with (2) 3 foot CAT 6 cables (Seagate and Live connected independently)? I initially thought it would suck as far as speed goes, but isn't Cat 6 good for nearly a gig and of course I'll be using MUCH less than that. (?) The router should basically act like a switch so what should stop data from flying from the Seagate to the Live?

I seem to have read that connected via USB is so much better, but perhaps those posts were dated? If someone could explain I'd appreciate it.

James
post #2759 of 4707
As far as I can tell, the Seagate Central is nothing more than a single disk NAS unit like the WD My Book Live. The Live-SMP streams perfectly over a wired network, which is how most people use their media players.

Most routers these days incorporate a 4-5 port ethernet switch.

If you want to attach a USB drive to your Live-SMP, then just buy a plain USB external HDD. I don't know that using a USB drive is any better than a wired network, let alone "much better".
Edited by Kelson - 4/24/13 at 6:55am
post #2760 of 4707
Well, obviously it's better cause there are no troubles to setup a network, which appartently lots of people encounter given the complaints on the official forums. Also, USB connected drives have more throughput than LANs (not that it matters for BD playback).
Edited by techflaws - 4/24/13 at 8:20am
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