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post #2821 of 4689
I'll give it a shot.

Nother question: if I buy another Seagate Central and put it on the network via ethernet it should be integrated into the movie database just fine through the 'media library" functionality, correct?

These Seagates are great so far except in one respect: the USB is only a slave port for another drive, you cannot run files from it.

James
Edited by mastermaybe - 5/7/13 at 7:45am
post #2822 of 4689
I can control the resolution on mlb.tv bar because the image looks horrible, sorry bad english...

help me!!!!!
post #2823 of 4689
Hi all,

Is there any advantage to using the SMP's Video view vs. the Files view? The only difference I've noticed is that for MP4's the Files view displays file names while the Videos view displays titles. For TV episodes I name files with SnnEnn so they display in proper order. Most MP4 titles (mostly PlayLater recordings) don't have the episode info - I can add it but it's a tedious process...

Thanks,
CC

[Edit - correction - I see now that the difference isn't Files vs. Videos, it's sourcing from media library (titles) vs. network share (file names). Overall I like media library better, but not sure it's worth the hassle of re-entering the titles...]
Edited by cc_in_oh - 5/19/13 at 4:35pm
post #2824 of 4689
Hi all,

in March I posted that I was having issues playing FLAC after a firmware update with the previous model. with no answer from WD, I took the unit back. Now I see that the next gen is available.

I will use this device primarily for streaming Spotify and FLACs from my own network. Does this device handle these well?
In the future, I may rip BD/DVDs as well, so an audio only device is not something i'm strongly considering. I do have an Onkyo 818, but the NET menu is rather clunky, so i'm looking for an alternative.

thanks in advance for any feedback.
post #2825 of 4689
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Originally Posted by cc_in_oh View Post

Hi all,

Is there any advantage to using the SMP's Video view vs. the Files view? The only difference I've noticed is that for MP4's the Files view displays file names while the Videos view displays titles. For TV episodes I name files with SnnEnn so they display in proper order. Most MP4 titles (mostly PlayLater recordings) don't have the episode info - I can add it but it's a tedious process...

Thanks,
CC

[Edit - correction - I see now that the difference isn't Files vs. Videos, it's sourcing from media library (titles) vs. network share (file names). Overall I like media library better, but not sure it's worth the hassle of re-entering the titles...]

Well, both. You need to use Videos to view the videos if you want to use the metadata it collects such as the real movie name, date, actors, genre, synopsis, and the pictures. Use the media server to do this but you have to go to the videos area to view it. As far as I know it does not show up in files view. You can get the TV shows to show up in order by sorting by TV shows, or by editing the associated XML file and changing the name of the episode (for example if it's episode 1 change it to episode 01).
post #2826 of 4689
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Originally Posted by DeadEd View Post

Well, both. You need to use Videos to view the videos if you want to use the metadata it collects such as the real movie name, date, actors, genre, synopsis, and the pictures. Use the media server to do this but you have to go to the videos area to view it. As far as I know it does not show up in files view. You can get the TV shows to show up in order by sorting by TV shows, or by editing the associated XML file and changing the name of the episode (for example if it's episode 1 change it to episode 01).

I don't use metadata - is it available for TV episodes? Is that where the XML file comes from? Standalone MP4 recordings from PlayLater contain a title - newer episodes from network sites usually include the series name, SnnEnn numbers and episode title, so they can be sorted. But older material e.g. from Amazon often have a title that is just "Pilot" or such, so sorting is useless.

On the plus side, changing titles is easier than I thought - with the details pane open, I right-click the file name, click Rename, ctrl-C, double click the title field, ctrl-Z, click [Save] - so I can run through a folder fairly quickly.

Fortunately the vast majority of my files are MKVs, though if that ever becomes a "known" media file type I'll be screwed!

Thanks,
CC

(Edited to make "ctrl" notation visible)
Edited by cc_in_oh - 5/20/13 at 5:50am
post #2827 of 4689
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Originally Posted by cc_in_oh View Post

I don't use metadata - is it available for TV episodes?

Sure.
post #2828 of 4689
OH WDTV why must you decide to be the master browser and thus making Windows 7 shares not show up on ANY of my media players mad.gif

Bill
post #2829 of 4689
Yes, the metadata XML files are created by WDTV when it looks for the media info. It has a TV database as well as a Movie database. For example it found all my episodes of 5 seasons of Babylon 5 and when using some of the menu screens it will give me a synopsis of the episode as well as the title. I might not be making myself clear but I can try and take a picture of it when I get home tonight if you'd like.
post #2830 of 4689
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Originally Posted by DeadEd View Post

Yes, the metadata XML files are created by WDTV when it looks for the media info. It has a TV database as well as a Movie database. For example it found all my episodes of 5 seasons of Babylon 5 and when using some of the menu screens it will give me a synopsis of the episode as well as the title. I might not be making myself clear but I can try and take a picture of it when I get home tonight if you'd like.

Thanks - sounds like a nice feature for the future but at this point I'm still just trying to get the basics to work. But I'm curious - how does it know what to look for in the database - does it rely on some standard file-naming structure? Or is it smart enough to extract the parameters it needs from, say, an MKV file?

CC
post #2831 of 4689
I don't think it gets any of the data from the MKV, rather it looks at the file name. There are some naming conventions and people here know much more about that than I do. My searches in the past have revealed a few good ways to name your files so that WDTV can recognize them. For example:

Star.Wars.1977.mkv
Star Wars 1977.mkv
Star Wars (1977).mkv

Babylon.5.E01S04.mkv
Babylon 5 E01S04.mkv

I have found that sometimes the episode (E) and season (S) have to be capitalized for WDTV to recognize it but this is not always the case. Others here might be able to provide more logic about the syntax.
post #2832 of 4689
I took some cell phone shots awhile back(not great quality), but they should give a fair idea of what the metadata can display.







post #2833 of 4689
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Originally Posted by DeadEd View Post

Babylon.5.E01S04.mkv
Babylon 5 E01S04.mkv

It should always be SxxExx, not the other way around.

i.e.:

Babylon.5.S01E01.mkv - Season 1 Episode 1
Babylon.5.S01E02.mkv - Season 1 Episode 2

Special episode should be saved as S00 (season 0) and you can find out which episode to use by looking up the programme at http://thetvdb.com/

i.e.: for the Babylon 5 special/pilot The Gathering, the filename should be:

Babylon.5.S00E01.mkv
post #2834 of 4689
Thanks Ed and Keenan! Since probably 80% of my MKVs and MP4s are already named that way - long names are shortened like BBT for Big Bang Theory. I'm going to give it a try next chance I get. Well now that I think about it maybe less than 80% since I never start a file name with "The", just "Mentalist" e.g. Still definitely worth a shot though so I'm sure I'll be back for more help...

CC

-Edit: So I tried it on Dexter and it worked with my existing file names - not bad!

Do I have to retrieve content one file at a time? Neither the folder level nor a "multiple selection" list gave me the content option...

It cuts off the Actor list - any way to see the full list? (not a big deal but thought I might as well ask)...

[Edit2] - oops - never mind on that last one - I see that View Info has a scrolling actor list...

I see that I will have to add the leading zero in the XML for the first 9 episodes so get them into proper sequence. But since it's just XML it would be easy to write a program to do that - I'll probably just change all the episode titles back to the file name...

I can't view the METATHUMB file in Windows but it appears that I'm getting a copy of the same image for every episode. Do you guys leave all those copies intact, trash them altogether, or is there a trick to get multiple files to reference a single copy?

This is kinda fun - I should have tried it months ago...

Thanks,
CC

[Edit3] I installed MS XML Notepad 2007 - looks like it might be marginally better than Notepad. Any suggestions for other XML editors?
Edited by cc_in_oh - 5/21/13 at 6:56am
post #2835 of 4689
Notepad++

Bill
post #2836 of 4689
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Originally Posted by mrfattbill View Post

Notepad++

Bill

I installed that and it looks like a pretty useful tool. Unfortunately the macros are just XML code so it looks like it would be pretty difficult to write one that would find and update all the XML files in a folder. I'm thinking MS-Word VBA might be pretty easy.

CC
post #2837 of 4689
You can try http://wdtvhubgen.codeplex.com/

This connects to TheTVDB and downloads Meta data and thumbnails in the correct format for the WDTV

It's open source too so if you are a coder you can tweak it to your satisfaction
post #2838 of 4689
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Originally Posted by Shevek View Post

You can try http://wdtvhubgen.codeplex.com/

This connects to TheTVDB and downloads Meta data and thumbnails in the correct format for the WDTV

It's open source too so if you are a coder you can tweak it to your satisfaction

OK I'll check that out too.

Meantime, I'm a little confused. I scanned Dexter season 1 folder file by file, and one by one it displayed the new titles. So I thought the process was manual. But now I see that some other folders have had content added - folders on the same NAS drive as Dexter, folders on a different NAS, and folders on the WDTV USB drive. But I also have many folders that still have no content (including other seasons of Dexter). Is the scanning an automatic process that scans every folder attached to the media library? And my guess is that maybe the scan doesn't drill into subfolders of a folder that contains no media files at the top level? That would account for the results I'm seeing...

CC
Edited by cc_in_oh - 5/21/13 at 2:25pm
post #2839 of 4689
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Originally Posted by Shevek View Post

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Originally Posted by DeadEd View Post

Babylon.5.E01S04.mkv
Babylon 5 E01S04.mkv

It should always be SxxExx, not the other way around.

i.e.:

Babylon.5.S01E01.mkv - Season 1 Episode 1
Babylon.5.S01E02.mkv - Season 1 Episode 2

Special episode should be saved as S00 (season 0) and you can find out which episode to use by looking up the programme at http://thetvdb.com/

i.e.: for the Babylon 5 special/pilot The Gathering, the filename should be:

Babylon.5.S00E01.mkv

Ah, yes. That makes more sense actually. Sorry for the bad info.

With respect to cc's question about retrieving content, it should be automatic unless the file name is ambiguous. You can go into system/media library/manage network/ and click the reload button next to the remote folder and it will reload, but sometimes you have to click the one above that which I think says 'delete metadata' or something, so it rebuilds and re searches.

With respect to the metathumb files, they are just jpg. To look at them you can do one of two things. 1) rename b5.metathumb to b5.jpg and then double click it. Or you can associate the metathumb suffix with a graphics program. I did that with ACDSee so when I double click a methathumb file it just shows the graphic. Also, this can go the other way, so if you have a jpg you want to use as the movie picture just rename it at .metathumb. I did this with my babylon 5 seasons 1-4 as all seasons came with the same picture. Now each season has it's own photo.
post #2840 of 4689
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Originally Posted by DeadEd View Post

Ah, yes. That makes more sense actually. Sorry for the bad info.

With respect to cc's question about retrieving content, it should be automatic unless the file name is ambiguous. You can go into system/media library/manage network/ and click the reload button next to the remote folder and it will reload, but sometimes you have to click the one above that which I think says 'delete metadata' or something, so it rebuilds and re searches.

With respect to the metathumb files, they are just jpg. To look at them you can do one of two things. 1) rename b5.metathumb to b5.jpg and then double click it. Or you can associate the metathumb suffix with a graphics program. I did that with ACDSee so when I double click a methathumb file it just shows the graphic. Also, this can go the other way, so if you have a jpg you want to use as the movie picture just rename it at .metathumb. I did this with my babylon 5 seasons 1-4 as all seasons came with the same picture. Now each season has it's own photo.

Well it goes against my grain to waste space on many copies of the same image file, so I'll probably just trash them. IMO the XML should contain the path of a thumbnail rather than assuming the existence of one with the same root filename...

CC
post #2841 of 4689
I feel the same way, but I also don't like the empty place holder that I get without the picture. Also the pics are only about 150k so I'm not losing much space.
post #2842 of 4689
The ones I got for Dexter are 439K, and some others are 400K. Still just a drop in the bucket I suppose - out of $50/TB it would only waste a few pennies - even less if your videos are HD. I have to keep reminding myself how cheap disk space is these days.

Funny story (or at least I think so): In 2005 I was on a 30-member project team, half of it $200-$300/hour consultants. All project documemtation was stored on a 80GB file server. The drive was getting full so the PM called an all-hands meeting where we spent 2+ hours going through the contents to free up maybe 10 or 15GB. At the time disk space was less than $2/GB...
post #2843 of 4689
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Originally Posted by cc_in_oh View Post

In 2005 I was on a 30-member project team, half of it $200-$300/hour consultants. All project documemtation was stored on a 80GB file server. The drive was getting full so the PM called an all-hands meeting where we spent 2+ hours going through the contents to free up maybe 10 or 15GB. At the time disk space was less than $2/GB...
Disk space in a business or corporate environment is far more expensive than the cost of the drive. Even though they use enterprise-class drives, the cost of the drive is a drop in the bucket compared to the IT overhead cost added on. Just think in terms of the people and facility cost of a data center that houses, services and backs up the data on the drives. In my company we "rent" disk space and the monthly charge is not cheap. I often laugh that I could buy a 1TB external drive to plug in my USB port with a single monthly rental fee for the 20-30GB I use.
post #2844 of 4689
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

Disk space in a business or corporate environment is far more expensive than the cost of the drive. Even though they use enterprise-class drives, the cost of the drive is a drop in the bucket compared to the IT overhead cost added on. Just think in terms of the people and facility cost of a data center that houses, services and backs up the data on the drives. In my company we "rent" disk space and the monthly charge is not cheap. I often laugh that I could buy a 1TB external drive to plug in my USB port with a single monthly rental fee for the 20-30GB I use.

I should have been clearer - this was just a local file server sitting next to our copy machine. I think the extent of IT's involvement was to scrounge up an old PC for us to use. One of our developers knew Linux well enough to handle what little administration was involved...

CC
post #2845 of 4689
I need help please.

Have the WDTV Live (non-wifi) for a few years now and also a MediaSonic 4 Bays (Non-Raid) Enclosure, IIRC its the HF2-SU3S2, with USB3.0 and eSATA. Now that I have purchased several Toshiba 7200rpm 3TB and 2TB HDDs I have several new problems. The WDTV Live doesn't recognise any of the 3TB drives. I have flashed the WDTV with both WD official firmwares (1.05.04 and the latest 1.06.43) and custom firmwares (WDLXTV). I have also changed the drives to GPT instead of MBR...at least I think I have. Still no go. The HDDs are recognised by the PC, Windows 8 Pro. Obviously, as I could copy my BR MKV rips to them. Interestingly the new Toshiba 2TB HDDs are recognised by the WDTV Live.

Furthermore, I have recently ripped my BRs to MKVs using MKVMania softwares (eg mkvmerge GUI etc). These play well in KMPlayer on the PC. IIRC they did play well initially when I was still on the custom WDLXTV firmware 1.05.04 that I had earlier but after changing the firmwares several times (including back to the custom 1.05.04 WDLXTV firmware), none of these MKV files are playable on the WDTV Live, even when I shifted them to a 2TB HDD. I can still see the MKV files and their sizes but WDTV tells me they cannot be played! What is happening here?

Interesting that mediainfo reports that my MKVs are AVC files. That is the same as H.264 right?

Thanks.
post #2846 of 4689
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(You can buy a 4-bay Mediasonic HF2-SU2S2 USB enclosure for $100 from NewEgg to plug into your WD Live (they also make an 8-bay unit). Then you can add 3TB drives one at a time to fit your needs. NewEgg just had Seagate ST3000DM001 drives on sale for $114. The advantage over ready-made externals is: only 1 power plug needed; you can use better quality bare drives.

This may or may not fit your needs/desires. I only offer it as an available option.[/quote]

I have 2 4 bay Mediasonic enclosures with 8 2TB drives as JBOD. I plugged one of them into a WD Live and it only recognized 1 hdd. How do I get it to see all 4 drives? Is there another step I should take?
Sorry for my ignorance about this. The 2 enclosures are plugged into an older Mac Mini (which is now showing signs of age). If it goes, I do not want to have to purchase another mini, but would rather go the route of
the WD Live. Any help would be appreciated.
post #2847 of 4689
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Originally Posted by rayweil View Post

I have also changed the drives to GPT instead of MBR...at least I think I have. Still no go. The HDDs are recognised by the PC, Windows 8 Pro. Obviously, as I could copy my BR MKV rips to them. Interestingly the new Toshiba 2TB HDDs are recognised by the WDTV Live.
The WDT Live does understand GPT partitions. I had a pair of 2TB Seagates in a dual enclosure and joined as a single 4TB volume (RAID 0) formatted as GPT. The WD Live had no problems recognizing it as a 4TB disk. I have always used stock WD firmware and never messed with the custom stuff. I hope all the flashing you have done with different FW has not irreversibly corrupted something.

I have the HF2-SU2S2, plugged into my Media-PC. The Mediasonic enclosure you have is just a drive-bay hub with no intelligence to offer any disk spanning. The WD Live will work with hubs but maybe it is not totally compatible with the Mediasonic's implementation or all that flashing has made it confused. I do find it interesting that it will work with 2TB drives and not 3TB drives. Make sure you have converted the 3TB drives to GPT.
Edited by Kelson - 5/23/13 at 12:41pm
post #2848 of 4689
Has anyone tried to edit the XML files in Excel? I wrote a macro to traverse the folder tree and import each XML, but it won't let me save them - says they're "non-exportable". Even if I import a file manually I can't save it. Very frustrating - I have it finding all the files and applying changes exactly as I want, but I can't save the result...

CC
post #2849 of 4689
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Originally Posted by jamerican View Post

I have 2 4 bay Mediasonic enclosures with 8 2TB drives as JBOD. I plugged one of them into a WD Live and it only recognized 1 hdd. How do I get it to see all 4 drives? Is there another step I should take?
Sorry for my ignorance about this. The 2 enclosures are plugged into an older Mac Mini .
Sorry, I don't know anything about disk configurations formatted by a mac. The poster right above you states that his 2TB drives formatted on a PC are all recognized by the WD Live using a Mediasonic enclosure.

I have a Mediasonic with 2 and 3TB drives plugged into my media-PC, but I'm not about to disconnect it and plug it into my WD Live. I don't want to mess up the configuration.
post #2850 of 4689
Kelson...thank you for the helpful WF info but I have another question that everyone here seems to have moved beyond. I have a lot of content in .iso format on a Seagate network drive (not USB). I can see and play .mp4 and .mkv files using the Seagate as a Media Server. But, the WD Live does not see any .iso files over the network. I have read elsewhere that is needs to be viewed in "Network Share" mode but I don't get anywhere with that, either.

Also, I have ripped an .iso file to a thumb drive and the WD Live sees it and plays it from the USB port. But, it does not show the DVD menu structure.

Any help you can offer is appreciated.
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