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post #3151 of 4686
Is it possible to have all the media library XMLs etc stored on a flash drive at the WD TV? I would prefer to run my video SMB share as read-only, and not have it crudded up with media library metadata.

Also, I do not see a way to add music to a "now playing" queue when browsing the music area. Is that possible?
post #3152 of 4686
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Originally Posted by horseflesh View Post

Is it possible to have all the media library XMLs etc stored on a flash drive at the WD TV? I would prefer to run my video SMB share as read-only, and not have it crudded up with media library metadata.

Also, I do not see a way to add music to a "now playing" queue when browsing the music area. Is that possible?

That would be great - my library is mostly TV and I've deleted the metadata - too redundant and a hassle to keep up with correct episode titles. But AFAIK it has to be in the same path as the media file...

CC
post #3153 of 4686
I'm having some lip sync problems with my WD TV Live. Yesterday I tried it out with some 1080p MKVs on a USB flash drive and I noticed a distracting delay in the video vs. the audio. I adjusted the audio sync on the device to delay the audio by 200ms in order for it to look right.

Is this a known issue? I played back the same files on a laptop connected to the same receiver and there was no sync problem. The MKV audio was 5.1 ch Dolby Digital and its connected via HDMI to an Onkyo TX-NR809 receiver.
post #3154 of 4686
Lip sync issues are pretty rare and are usually connected to optical out or receiver delays (not that this info will do you much good).
post #3155 of 4686
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Originally Posted by Osirus23 View Post

I'm having some lip sync problems with my WD TV Live. Yesterday I tried it out with some 1080p MKVs on a USB flash drive and I noticed a distracting delay in the video vs. the audio. I adjusted the audio sync on the device to delay the audio by 200ms in order for it to look right.

Is this a known issue? I played back the same files on a laptop connected to the same receiver and there was no sync problem. The MKV audio was 5.1 ch Dolby Digital and its connected via HDMI to an Onkyo TX-NR809 receiver.

Just bought a WD Live SMP and have the same prob lip sync prob with H264 files 1080p 60fps up to 28Mbits (HP@L4.2) from my panasonic TM900 cam corder, when on a usb hitach drive when plugged into the front usb port. Sync problem disappears when the HDD is plugged into the rear usb port on the SMP.

I am not sure that decodoing H264 HP@L4.2 is within the WD Live specs but for some reason it does it via the rear port and not the front.
Yet there is a known bug with usb 3.0 drives with the rear usb port. Go figure
post #3156 of 4686
Hmm, I'll the same files tonight on a HDD connected to the rear port.
post #3157 of 4686
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Originally Posted by Osirus23 View Post

I'm having some lip sync problems with my WD TV Live. Yesterday I tried it out with some 1080p MKVs on a USB flash drive and I noticed a distracting delay in the video vs. the audio. I adjusted the audio sync on the device to delay the audio by 200ms in order for it to look right.

Is this a known issue? I played back the same files on a laptop connected to the same receiver and there was no sync problem. The MKV audio was 5.1 ch Dolby Digital and its connected via HDMI to an Onkyo TX-NR809 receiver.

Turn on HDMI LipSync (I think it's an option on Onkyo).

 

Agree with other poster ... never seen LipSync issues on HDMI (only optical). Didn't know it was even possible.

 

Maybe flash drive it too slow. Try faster one or, like you said ... HDD.

post #3158 of 4686
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Originally Posted by ocular57 View Post

Just bought a WD Live SMP and have the same prob lip sync prob with H264 files 1080p 60fps up to 28Mbits (HP@L4.2) from my panasonic TM900 cam corder, when on a usb hitach drive when plugged into the front usb port. Sync problem disappears when the HDD is plugged into the rear usb port on the SMP. I am not sure that decodoing H264 HP@L4.2 is within the WD Live specs ...

Video notes from the manual:
1. MPEG-2 Max (MP@HL 1920x1080ip30 or 1280x720p60), bit rate (SD:20, HD:40).
2. MPEG4.2 Max (ASP@L5 1920x1080p30 or 1280x720p60), bit rate (SD:20, HD:40).
3. EG-4.10 (H.264) Max (BP@L3.0 720x480p30 or 720x576p25, MP@L4.1 and HP@L4.1 1920×1080p30 or 1280x720p60), bit rate (SD:20,
HD:40).
4. SMPTE 421M (VC-1) Max (AP@L3 and MP@HL 1920×1080p30 or 1280x720p60), bit rate (SD:20, HD:40).
5. WMV9 Max (MP@HL 1920×1080p30 or 1280x720p60), bit rate (SD:20, HD:40). Does not supprot WMV7 and WMV8. Does not support
Screen, Image and Image Version 2 profiles.
6. AVS Mac (Jizhun@L6.0 1920×1080p30 or 1280x720p60) , bit rate (SD:20, HD:40).
post #3159 of 4686
Tried it last night on the rear HDMI port and had the same problem, tried an HDD instead of flash and had the same problem, used Optical instead of HDMI and had the same problem. All needed -200ms to sync right, and that has to be set each and every time I watch an mkv.

HDMI lip sync is enabled in the receiver but doesn't fix anything (afiak that setting only syncs audio and video between the receiver and the display, here the delay exists going into the receiver).

No other devices used so far have this issue, only the WD TV.
post #3160 of 4686
Osirus, just for giggles, see if your display has "Game Mode." If so, try turning it on.

My LG also had minor lip-sync issues via HDMI, and it all came down to picture processing delay. Game mode pretty much disables ALL processing and speeds up the display tremendously.
post #3161 of 4686
Tried Game Mode as well, no difference. Everything points to the delay originating from the WD TV box itself.
post #3162 of 4686
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Originally Posted by Osirus23 View Post

Tried it last night on the rear HDMI port and had the same problem, tried an HDD instead of flash and had the same problem, used Optical instead of HDMI and had the same problem. All needed -200ms to sync right, and that has to be set each and every time I watch an mkv.

HDMI lip sync is enabled in the receiver but doesn't fix anything (afiak that setting only syncs audio and video between the receiver and the display, here the delay exists going into the receiver).

No other devices used so far have this issue, only the WD TV.

I'm a neophyte trying to follow this discussion, and I don't understand the reference to a "rear HDMI port". If the SMP is connected to a TV via HDMI, is there a problem syncing audio and video with 1080p MKV files? My TV recordings are just SD at this point, but if/when I upgrade to HD is this a problem I should expect to encounter? - because it's the first I've heard of it...

Thanks,
CC
post #3163 of 4686
I meant rear USB port.
post #3164 of 4686
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Originally Posted by Osirus23 View Post

Tried Game Mode as well, no difference. Everything points to the delay originating from the WD TV box itself.

Well, there are definitely issues that most users encounter at one point or another, but audio sync issues certainly aren't among them... I don't know what else to suggest.

You might look at the mediainfo details for the files you're having issues with and see if there might be an actual encoded delay the other way (+200ms) it might be that the WDTVs don't pay attention to such a flag.
post #3165 of 4686
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Originally Posted by Osirus23 View Post

Everything points to the delay originating from the WD TV box itself.
Except for the fact that pretty much noone else has seems to be having these issues, of course. I'd still say this delay is introduced by your receiver or TV, maybe some picture optimization.
post #3166 of 4686
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Originally Posted by Osirus23 View Post

HDMI lip sync is enabled in the receiver but doesn't fix anything (afiak that setting only syncs audio and video between the receiver and the display, here the delay exists going into the receiver).

 

 

Pretty sure LipSync is from end-to-end (input device to display output) ... otherwise it would be useless.

 

Too bad they don't post perfectly encoded high-bit-rate files (ie 720p or 1080p with DTS 6-channel sound) that push the hardware but still work fine. Would be nice to be able to test setups (and know it's not the files themselves).

post #3167 of 4686
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Originally Posted by Tesla1856 View Post

Pretty sure LipSync is from end-to-end (input device to display output) ... otherwise it would be useless.

Too bad they don't post perfectly encoded high-bit-rate files (ie 720p or 1080p with DTS 6-channel sound) that push the hardware but still work fine. Would be nice to be able to test setups (and know it's not the files themselves).

Any ordinary bluray straight rip will do.

Just copy most any TS file; it's not re-encoded or anything.
If wanting to test MKV specifically, running the TS file through MKVMerge just re-containerizes it; it does not change the encoding.
post #3168 of 4686
Brought it upstairs and tested it on my living room setup (Onkyo 708 w/Samsung LN52A650) and had the same sync issue.

I'm going to investigate the files I'm playing; as I said when I played them from a PC connected to my AVR there was no sync problem, but the PC was still outputting 60fps instead of the 24fps the WD TV plays them at.


Edit: Does anyone know some good source materials that's really good at testing lip sync?
post #3169 of 4686
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Originally Posted by Osirus23 View Post

Edit: Does anyone know some good source materials that's really good at testing lip sync?
As WDFan1970 said above, any BluRay rip will do. Go into the BDMV\STREAM folder and pull out the biggest .m2ts file in there. Unless it is a seamless branching title, that will be the full movie with all the video/audio/subtitle tracks -- it will be untouched as it is directly off the BluRay in native format. I think you will find the WD Live will play that .m2ts perfectly. I've never had a problem with my WD playing .m2ts and can't remember ever reading anyone else having a problem with .m2ts. It's not uncommon for people to report having problems with a certain MKV on the WD (or other players). So my bet is on your MKV source file -- especially if the source has been re-coded to compress it. If this is an MKV you downloaded from somewhere and have no idea how it was made, then all bets are off.
post #3170 of 4686
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Originally Posted by Osirus23 View Post

....but the PC was still outputting 60fps instead of the 24fps the WD TV plays them at.

Ok, that's an interesting point. Have you tried playing the same files at 60p on the WDTV?
post #3171 of 4686
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Originally Posted by WDFan1970 View Post

Ok, that's an interesting point. Have you tried playing the same files at 60p on the WDTV?

No, will probably be one of the things I test when I get home tonight.
post #3172 of 4686
You might also be interested in this thread:

http://www.avforums.com/forums/av-amplifiers-receivers/689308-onkyo-lip-sync-problem.html

which highlights that all Onkyo receivers in the 8xx/9xx series have audio sync issues, and gives some pretty good instructions on how to adjust for it.
post #3173 of 4686
Maybe a dumb question, but have you tried resetting the wdhd?
post #3174 of 4686
There are no dumb questions.



only dumb people
post #3175 of 4686
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Originally Posted by WDFan1970 View Post

Ok, that's an interesting point. Have you tried playing the same files at 60p on the WDTV?

Just tried it with the WD TV set to 1080p 60Hz instead of Auto and there was no sync problem.
post #3176 of 4686
Hi, new here with some pretty basic questions so I apologise.

I've read alot about ThumbGen, what exactly is the benefit of using this if I can just select get content info directly from the SMP and it generates thumbs, info etc?

Also does the media library have to be turned ON to load all of the content info or once it's downloaded, is it then 'saved' and won't need reloaded therefore meaning the liveRy can go to off and the boot time will be quicker?
post #3177 of 4686
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Originally Posted by parkin90 View Post

Hi, new here with some pretty basic questions so I apologise.

I've read alot about ThumbGen, what exactly is the benefit of using this if I can just select get content info directly from the SMP and it generates thumbs, info etc?

Also does the media library have to be turned ON to load all of the content info or once it's downloaded, is it then 'saved' and won't need reloaded therefore meaning the liveRy can go to off and the boot time will be quicker?

I'm not sure if I understand your question correctly, but content info remains in your media folders after turning off Get Content Info. And that will reduce the power-on scan time, especially if you have a lot of file names that differ from the database - I think it re-searches for them every time. OTOH, you don't have to wait for the scan to finish to play a file - IIRC it resumes scanning when finished playing. I hope I'm remembering correctly - I've had content info turned off for quite a while now...

CC
post #3178 of 4686
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Originally Posted by cc_in_oh View Post

I'm not sure if I understand your question correctly, but content info remains in your media folders after turning off Get Content Info. And that will reduce the power-on scan time, especially if you have a lot of file names that differ from the database - I think it re-searches for them every time. OTOH, you don't have to wait for the scan to finish to play a file - IIRC it resumes scanning when finished playing. I hope I'm remembering correctly - I've had content info turned off for quite a while now...

CC


Hi thanks for the reply. Sorry if i wasn't too clear, posted after about 3 hours of messing around with this stuff so must have been fuzzy!

Yes basically i want my movies to each have the thumbnail, the info such as what film is about, run time etc. I did get content info for most of my 300 films but it then began to run very slow.

The question about ThumbGen that i posed is basically once i have done 'Get Content Info' on the SMP, what more can ThumbGen do? Or is ThumbGen basically just to create your own info, your own thumbs etc?
Not sure if im just missing the point totally.

One last question is does anybody know whether i can get the IMDB rating in the movie info or not? Maybe a certain theme does this or even if a theme lets you rate the movie itself would be handy?
post #3179 of 4686
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Originally Posted by Carlos Martinez View Post

It's a few months since I bought my WD TV Live Streaming from Amazon, and I am having the following problem.

A motorboat noise suddenly blasts away and it only stops if you unplug the unit. I have tried swapping the HDMI cable, but to no use.

Unfortunately It was shipped to Brazil, where I live, and WD does not provide a warranty for such units here.

What I wonder is:

1) Has anyone had a similar problem?

2) Could you solve it in any other way but sending it for repair?

I had this happen, too, several times in the past month. I didn't have to reboot the unit, I just unplugged the HDMI and waited 5 seconds before plugging it back in. I thought it was heat related, but I've had it hotter in my house than when it occurred and it didn't reoccur. I don't have a sure-fire solution, but I have noticed that I get jumps/skips in the audio for 10-60 seconds prior to the sound starting.
post #3180 of 4686
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Originally Posted by parkin90 View Post

[quote name="cc_in_oh" url="/t/1364999/official-wd-tv-live-streaming-media-player-thread/3150#post_23710002"]I'm not sure if I understand your question correctly, but content info remains in your media folders after turning off Get Content Info. And that will reduce the power-on scan time, especially if you have a lot of file names that differ from the database - I think it re-searches for them every time. OTOH, you don't have to wait for the scan to finish to play a file - IIRC it resumes scanning when finished playing. I hope I'm remembering correctly - I've had content info turned off for quite a while now...CC[/quote]Hi thanks for the reply. Sorry if i wasn't too clear, posted after about 3 hours of messing around with this stuff so must have been fuzzy!Yes basically i want my movies to each have the thumbnail, the info such as what film is about, run time etc. I did get content info for most of my 300 films but it then began to run very slow.The question about ThumbGen that i posed is basically once i have done 'Get Content Info' on the SMP, what more can ThumbGen do? Or is ThumbGen basically just to create your own info, your own thumbs etc?Not sure if im just missing the point totally.One last question is does anybody know whether i can get the IMDB rating in the movie info or not? Maybe a certain theme does this or even if a theme lets you rate the movie itself would be handy?

Thumbgen let's you customize the info , imdb rating would be one of the things you can have thumbgen display.
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