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post #3361 of 4706
Ok, let's try stripping the thing to its bare bones.

This is going to take a little work, so hopefully you're up to it.

Copy the file over to a blank USB stick or HD.
Connect the SMP to your TV using the COMPOSITE connections. Do NOT use HDMI.
Reset the SMP back to defaults via the menu.
Unplug any Wired network connections, and do NOT connect it to your WiFi network during the setup.
Plug the USB in and wait until the LED stops flashing.

Play the movie.
Report results.
post #3362 of 4706
I'd also try ripping it with some compression. You are around 25 gig now. You can probably get it down to 8-10 gig without any noticible artifact. I'm just wondering if it has to do with the amount of data. I too have all my files in MKV but have not had your problem (yet).
post #3363 of 4706
Quote:
Originally Posted by WDFan1970 View Post

Ok, let's try stripping the thing to its bare bones.

This is going to take a little work, so hopefully you're up to it.

Copy the file over to a blank USB stick or HD.
Connect the SMP to your TV using the COMPOSITE connections. Do NOT use HDMI.
Reset the SMP back to defaults via the menu.
Unplug any Wired network connections, and do NOT connect it to your WiFi network during the setup.
Plug the USB in and wait until the LED stops flashing.

Play the movie.
Report results.

WDfan - will test tonight when home from work and will report back.......

Thanks,
Chris
post #3364 of 4706
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Originally Posted by DeadEd View Post

I'd also try ripping it with some compression. You are around 25 gig now. You can probably get it down to 8-10 gig without any noticible artifact. I'm just wondering if it has to do with the amount of data. I too have all my files in MKV but have not had your problem (yet).

I take it handbrake would be the option of choice here from what I understand?
I have never used it before so was wondering the ease of use? Any particular settings I should be going for?

Thanks,
Toys
post #3365 of 4706
does anyone have better luck using a media server than you do with the media share on WD LIVE TV???
post #3366 of 4706
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Originally Posted by Toys7505 View Post

I am using Makemkv to rip all my movies. All play fine on my HTPC with ease. I have even used mkvmerge to remux files and still get the same result with the WD unit.

Toys

I use MakeMKV too, no issues. Very weird.

Only time I've ever had an issue is when I had network problems. I have a large home network, 20+ networked items and one was caught in some kind of loop and caused a weird network overload. I would suggest if all else fails explore your network. Disconnect everything except the computer and your WD and see what happens.
post #3367 of 4706
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Originally Posted by Bamafan35611 View Post

does anyone have better luck using a media server than you do with the media share on WD LIVE TV???

What issue are you having? I only use shares.
post #3368 of 4706
Quote:
Originally Posted by DeadEd View Post

I'm just wondering if it has to do with the amount of data.
Doubtful, my largest rip has 75 GB (LOTR 3 EE) and runs without issues.
post #3369 of 4706
I have heard good things about handbrake. I use Make MKV.

To the question about servers, I use MEZZMO which I think is great. Wonderful support too. The problem with all DLNA servers is you don't get any of the metadata, so you don't have the nice screens with artwork and summaries. Still, MEZZMO works flawlessly, it set up for the WDTV, and is very quick. It's cheap and they have a one month free trial. You can find it here... http://www.conceiva.com/products/mezzmo/
post #3370 of 4706
2nd vote for MEZZMO, I have it as well for organization and it is great along with their support.

Bill
post #3371 of 4706
Hi all,

I have been searching for a while now without any luck, and was hoping someone here may be able to offer some assistance/advice on how I can download/create metadata that will be recognised by my SMP? I currently have .jpg files for each Movie and TV show for thumbnails, but I'm looking for something that will allow for synopses, etc. to be included.

Some information that may be useful:

• The WD TV Live cannot be connected to the internet.

• It is currently running stock firmware. (If a custom firmware would make it simpler - and/or look nicer - I'm open to suggestions, but have no experience with this)

• I would like the metadata to be stored on, and read from, my HDDs, as I tend to have two HDDs connected to the player at the same time. (I currently have one drive for movies and one for TV shows, but will soon have to expand to a second drive for TV shows as the first has run out of space.)

• All of my movies sit in one folder, called Movies, and are named "Title (year).xxx"

• The folder/file structure for my TV shows is 'TV Shows' > 'Show Name' > 'Show Name - Season x' > 'Show Name - SxxExx - Episode Title.xxx'

• I have XBMC and can download metadata through that and export it to the HDDs if that is possible/compatible. (The metadata already exists in XBMC for about 70% of what I have)

Any help/suggestions would be much appreciated! smile.gif
post #3372 of 4706
^^^
Go and check out these forums. All you questions will be answered.
http://community.wd.com/t5/WD-TV-Live-SMP-Discussions/bd-p/streaming_discussions

Check this thread out.

Also, check out a program called thumbgen. I think it will do what you want along with the style sheets you will learn about in the WDTVLIVE forums I linked above.
Edited by DeadEd - 10/8/13 at 11:15pm
post #3373 of 4706
Ta muchly smile.gif
post #3374 of 4706
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Originally Posted by MPearl View Post

I have had this issue in the past due to Master Browser problems on my network. Seen it with all three of my WD devices, HUB, SMP and Live+, and after no problems for a while, had it on the SMP this weekend. As posted above, static IP adresses for all your devices and computer is a good start. When I have the issue, I bring down all the devices and my computers. I then re-boot my file server first since I want it to be the MB (and have it set to Preferred Master), then my next server (playon/plex DLNA), Once those are fully up, I turn on the WD devices and my laptop(s) and everything will work fine again.

Yeah, it's a pain to bring it all down and up again, but at least in my case, I leave the file server on all the time, so it should stay the MB from there on, and the problem does not occur for me from there on. This most recent issue this weekend was the first time since I figured out the above fix 6 or 7 months ago, and at the time I was doing some stuff on the SMP that may have caused the problem (had telneted to the box and was changing some of the internal variables).

Hope this helps.

-P

Thanks a lot!! Yesterday I finally had the time to try this, after disabling the Fritz-NAS from my FritzBox (which was the Masterbrowser in my network) all my medialibrary issues are gone.

smile.gif
post #3375 of 4706
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Originally Posted by Tiggel View Post

Thanks a lot!! Yesterday I finally had the time to try this, after disabling the Fritz-NAS from my FritzBox (which was the Masterbrowser in my network) all my medialibrary issues are gone.

smile.gif

Glad to hear it Tiggel. I don't have any experience with FritzBox stuff (don't see it here in the states), but seems like your router had won the election to be the MB, but was not able to provide the service properly. By taking the NAS part offline it triggers another election which one of your computers has now won and is working. Great news. Hopefully you can plug the NAS portion back in and still use it. If you search, there are a few articles on the web about FritzBox having NetBios blocked by default (for security reasons), perhaps not making it a very good MB.

Good luck

-P
post #3376 of 4706
Quote:
Originally Posted by MPearl View Post

but seems like your router had won the election to be the MB, but was not able to provide the service properly. By taking the NAS part offline it triggers another election which one of your computers has now won and is working.
I appreciate your previous post on determining the master browser on the network. Unfortunately, I'm having no luck with google in locating an article that tells me how to configure Win-7 so that it always captures the election for master browser. If you could point me in that direction or have a link to such an article I would greatly appreciate it.

Here is my situation:
I have a Win-7 Pro Media-PC/server that runs 24x7 but is occasionally rebooted every couple weeks. It makes sense to have that PC function as the master browser. However, I have two D-Link DNS-321 NAS units (linux based) serving SMB shares that are also on 24x7 and are basically never rebooted unless there is a power failure and so one of them will eventually capture the master browser election and hold on to it as the PC's get rebooted. I've never had any serious problems with the WD Lives finding shares so the NAS units do an OK job as master browser and I've never given it much thought, but it seems logical to have a Win machine be the MB. So I would like to configure the Win-7 media-PC to always force an election and capture the MB job whenever it reboots. Any help would be appreciated.
post #3377 of 4706

Quick question - I found a thread on transcoding 10-bit mkv files on wdtv with ffmpeg.

Now, I'm not familiar with *any* of the terms.. But if I have 10-bit mkv files on a USB, if I connect it to WDTV, can it play them correctly through ffmpeg on the fly? Or do I need to convert them locally in my PC first?

post #3378 of 4706
No, you need to convert them manually.
post #3379 of 4706
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post


I appreciate your previous post on determining the master browser on the network. Unfortunately, I'm having no luck with google in locating an article that tells me how to configure Win-7 so that it always captures the election for master browser. If you could point me in that direction or have a link to such an article I would greatly appreciate it.

Here is my situation:
I have a Win-7 Pro Media-PC/server that runs 24x7 but is occasionally rebooted every couple weeks. It makes sense to have that PC function as the master browser. However, I have two D-Link DNS-321 NAS units (linux based) serving SMB shares that are also on 24x7 and are basically never rebooted unless there is a power failure and so one of them will eventually capture the master browser election and hold on to it as the PC's get rebooted. I've never had any serious problems with the WD Lives finding shares so the NAS units do an OK job as master browser and I've never given it much thought, but it seems logical to have a Win machine be the MB. So I would like to configure the Win-7 media-PC to always force an election and capture the MB job whenever it reboots. Any help would be appreciated.

Just a suggestion ...

 

Set fixed IPs on everything ... Win7 box, SMP, NAS boxes, etc. Really helps with devices being found on network.

 

Also, install good UPS (like APC or CyberPower).

post #3380 of 4706
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Originally Posted by Tesla1856 View Post

Just a suggestion ...

Set fixed IPs on everything ... Win7 box, SMP, NAS boxes, etc. Really helps with devices being found on network.

Also, install good UPS (like APC or CyberPower).
All my servers already have static IP addresses. I still want to attack this master browser thing. A UPS doesn't do anything for an intentional reboot of the Win-7 Media-PC.
post #3381 of 4706
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

I appreciate your previous post on determining the master browser on the network. Unfortunately, I'm having no luck with google in locating an article that tells me how to configure Win-7 so that it always captures the election for master browser. If you could point me in that direction or have a link to such an article I would greatly appreciate it.

Here is my situation:
I have a Win-7 Pro Media-PC/server that runs 24x7 but is occasionally rebooted every couple weeks. It makes sense to have that PC function as the master browser. However, I have two D-Link DNS-321 NAS units (linux based) serving SMB shares that are also on 24x7 and are basically never rebooted unless there is a power failure and so one of them will eventually capture the master browser election and hold on to it as the PC's get rebooted. I've never had any serious problems with the WD Lives finding shares so the NAS units do an OK job as master browser and I've never given it much thought, but it seems logical to have a Win machine be the MB. So I would like to configure the Win-7 media-PC to always force an election and capture the MB job whenever it reboots. Any help would be appreciated.

When a Windows machine boots that thinks it has a high enough election criteria, it will trigger an election. Once that call is made, all the machines will announce their "level" and one will win and become the MB. Therefore, even if your Router is on 24/7, when you Windows machine boots, it should trigger the process.

Not sure where an article is and rushed for time at the moment, so hopefully you know how to edit your registry using "regedit".

1) Open Regedit (probably from your run menu)
2) Go to the "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE" hive
3) Go to the Key "SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Browser\Parameters"
4) Right click in the key (right hand side) and choose New->String Value
5) Set "Name" to "IsDomainMaster"
6) Set "Value" to "True", The type should be REG_SZ by default if you chose String Value.
7) Exit Regedit and reboot.

*You are messing with your registry by doing this and I in no way take responsibility for the outcome. If you choose to do the above, you are doing so at your own risk. biggrin.gif


That it. Hopefully after a reboot, you can check your setup and the Windows machine will have taken over. It won't work 100% of the time. Other devices, like your router could also be set to a Preferred Master, and then they will have to decide based on other election criteria. One of these is "Up Time", which your router will certainly have he upper-hand on.

If the router keeps control, generally their would be a setting on it somewhere via telnet or a browser interface that would allow you to turn off the MB settings. When your Windows machine gets turned off, after an amount of time, or when one device tries to find another, an election will again be triggered and whatever one is on at that time will take over. Probably your router again.

Good Luck

-P
post #3382 of 4706
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post


All my servers already have static IP addresses. I still want to attack this master browser thing. A UPS doesn't do anything for an intentional reboot of the Win-7 Media-PC.

No, I meant on the NASes. But all machines and networking boxes should be under battery (and fixed IPs) ... just trying to save you some headaches.

 

It's my understanding that only Windows peer-to-peer machines (2 or more) use Windows Networking (and therefore Master Browser). I also use a Win7-64 machine as a "media server". It's asleep most of the time. Never have a problem after waking it ... and it finding shares. IIRC, SMP shares are not Windows Networking (even though WorkGroup name has to be set).

 

So, if SMP is using SMB/Samba and Linux NASes and Routers are non-Windows ... can't see how MasterBrowser can be the problem.

post #3383 of 4706
Ok guys everyday I have to reboot my router to get my wd live tv plus to connect to media shares to work. I thought it was my pc but i rebooted my pc first and still couldnt connect and then i rebooted my router and I could connect with no problems. So I have to reboot my router every day to connect to media shares any idea on how to fix this problem. I am hard wired via ethernet to my router.
post #3384 of 4706
Quote:
Originally Posted by MPearl View Post

Not sure where an article is and rushed for time at the moment, so hopefully you know how to edit your registry using "regedit".

1) Open Regedit (probably from your run menu)
2) Go to the "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE" hive
3) Go to the Key "SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Browser\Parameters"
4) Right click in the key (right hand side) and choose New->String Value
5) Set "Name" to "IsDomainMaster"
6) Set "Value" to "True", The type should be REG_SZ by default if you chose String Value.
7) Exit Regedit and reboot.
Thank you. I am used to tweaking the registry so you are absolved of any problems.

Unfortunately the NAS units are tenacious about holding on to the master browser function. I made the changes to the registry and rebooted. One of the NAS units took hold of the master browser. So I rebooted that NAS and the other NAS took the election. The only way to get the media-PC to take the election is to shut down both NAS units.

thanks anyway
post #3385 of 4706
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Originally Posted by WDFan1970 View Post

Ok, let's try stripping the thing to its bare bones.

This is going to take a little work, so hopefully you're up to it.

Copy the file over to a blank USB stick or HD.
Connect the SMP to your TV using the COMPOSITE connections. Do NOT use HDMI.
Reset the SMP back to defaults via the menu.
Unplug any Wired network connections, and do NOT connect it to your WiFi network during the setup.
Plug the USB in and wait until the LED stops flashing.

Play the movie.
Report results.

Ok - WDFan

Sorry it took longer than expected to post - work got the best of me the past couple of days.

I followed your instructions to the letter. About 1/2 way through the movie, it froze again.

Next?

Toys
post #3386 of 4706
Here is Mediainfo on T2 - Judgement Day that I remixed with MKVmerge

General
Unique ID : 228432331975430904437514942882327456830 (0xABDA7782F131818397327D5665726C3E)
Complete name : H:\Bluray Movies\Terminator_2 (1991)\Terminator_2_t01 (1).mkv
Format : Matroska
Format version : Version 4 / Version 2
File size : 28.0 GiB
Duration : 2h 36mn
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 25.6 Mbps
Movie name : Terminator 2
Encoded date : UTC 2013-09-17 21:27:11
Writing application : mkvmerge v6.4.1 ('Omega Point') built on Sep 16 2013 22:05:10
Writing library : libebml v1.3.0 + libmatroska v1.4.1

Video
ID : 1
Format : VC-1
Format profile : Advanced@L3
Codec ID : V_MS/VFW/FOURCC / WVC1
Codec ID/Hint : Microsoft
Duration : 2h 36mn
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Compression mode : Lossy
Language : English
Default : No
Forced : No

Audio #1
ID : 2
Format : DTS
Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems
Format profile : MA / Core
Mode : 16
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Codec ID : A_DTS
Duration : 2h 36mn
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : Unknown / 1 509 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 24 bits
Compression mode : Lossless / Lossy
Title : Lossless
Language : English
Default : Yes
Forced : No

Audio #2
ID : 3
Format : DTS
Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems
Format profile : ES
Mode : 16
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Codec ID : A_DTS
Duration : 2h 36mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 1 509 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 24 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 1.65 GiB (6%)
Title : 3/2+1
Language : English
Default : No
Forced : No

Audio #3
ID : 4
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Codec ID : A_AC3
Duration : 2h 36mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 640 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 715 MiB (2%)
Title : 3/2+1
Language : English
Default : No
Forced : No

Text #1
ID : 5
Format : PGS
Muxing mode : zlib
Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS
Codec ID/Info : The same subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs
Language : English
Default : Yes
Forced : No

Text #2
ID : 6
Format : PGS
Muxing mode : zlib
Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS
Codec ID/Info : The same subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs
Language : English
Default : No
Forced : No

Text #3
ID : 7
Format : PGS
Muxing mode : zlib
Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS
Codec ID/Info : The same subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs
Language : English
Default : No
Forced : No

Text #4
ID : 8
Format : PGS
Muxing mode : zlib
Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS
Codec ID/Info : The same subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs
Language : English
Default : No
Forced : No

Text #5
ID : 9
Format : PGS
Muxing mode : zlib
Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS
Codec ID/Info : The same subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs
Language : English
Default : No
Forced : No

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Toys
post #3387 of 4706
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bamafan35611 View Post

Ok guys everyday I have to reboot my router to get my wd live tv plus to connect to media shares to work. I thought it was my pc but i rebooted my pc first and still couldnt connect and then i rebooted my router and I could connect with no problems. So I have to reboot my router every day to connect to media shares any idea on how to fix this problem. I am hard wired via ethernet to my router.

Does the router have a USB share port? If so change the workgroup name in there so it doesn't match the main workgroup then reboot everything.

Bill
post #3388 of 4706
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Originally Posted by mrfattbill View Post

Does the router have a USB share port? If so change the workgroup name in there so it doesn't match the main workgroup then reboot everything.

Bill

no my router dont have a usb port i use the usb port through my windows machine
post #3389 of 4706
Why does it have to be this hard?
post #3390 of 4706
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

Thank you. I am used to tweaking the registry so you are absolved of any problems.

Unfortunately the NAS units are tenacious about holding on to the master browser function. I made the changes to the registry and rebooted. One of the NAS units took hold of the master browser. So I rebooted that NAS and the other NAS took the election. The only way to get the media-PC to take the election is to shut down both NAS units.

thanks anyway

Okay, that's a bit harsh. It would seem that your NAS units are hardcoded on their ROM or FW to have the highest election criteria. If you cannot find a way to shut it off or lower it in the configuration there is another thing you can try. Not sure it really helps your situation, but I have used it in situations where I could not get a router to lose an election.

To be the MB for the workgroup, the NAS Units have to be in the same workgroup as your other devices, WD Box and Computers. If you change the workgroup they are in, one of them will take over the MB service for this "new" workgroup, and then the rest of the devices will have an election to see which one will become the MB of the existing workgroup.

I have never done this with a NAS, so am not clear on how that will effect connecting to them via SMB services. It may cause a problem for the WD SMP finding those shares. I do know this would work fine between computers, connecting to shares outside their workgroup as long as the permission are set correctly. WD devices seem to like being in the same workgroup as the shares they connect to (NAS, or in my case a RAID File Server), but it's worth a shot.

It's a shame that a company would hardcode election criteria to the point where you essentially have lost control of your network. I would check into / contact D-Link and find out how and if this is a controllable variable on the NAS devices. Certainly should be. I respect the fact that they CAN be an MB which is a nice feature, just not that they HAVE to be. Seems very controlling.

If you put them in another workgroup and then cannot connect to them via your WD SMP, you could try setting up the shares as NFS or using the NAS(S) as media servers instead of shares. Of course this seems like a lot of work since your setup is actually working fine. I guess in the end that's the part that is the most important and you already have that working.

Since you seem like you clearly know your way around a computer, if I were in your situation, just out of curiosity I would probably use Wireshark from a laptop and watch the election process when you boot your windows 7 box. Doubt it will help you change anything but it would certainly be interesting to see the return packets once the election is triggered.

Good luck and sorry I couldn't be of more help.

-P
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