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Yeah, I got a refurb and it works fine and looks like new.
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I bought in refurbished and paid 58 dollars for it, it was shipped today can't wait and try my dts ma mkv 's on it
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Sounds like refurb madness... (sorry - addicted to puns)
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Originally Posted by cc_in_oh View Post

Sounds like refurb madness... (sorry - addicted to puns)
LOLOL
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A co-worker of mine was asking about cutting the cord. I told her about Netflix, HULU, AOD, which covers the streaming and tangible dvd rentals. But they always get hung up on the live tv. She likes to to watch live news tv.

Does the wdtv has any apps that stream live tv? News or any other shows? Do any devices have such a feature?

I was looking into Aereo which is an OTA subscription live tv service but it seems that it only works with the Roku for now.
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I own a WD TV Live SMP. It's currently sitting on a shelf, not in use, because it wasn't particularly *good* at doing what it was that I bought for (SlingPlayer)...

So it's sitting on a shelf. Unused.

I happen to have some .mkv files that include HD-MA audio. They play nicely on my PC. I've recently been looking for a means to stream those files to other rooms in my house, and had no luck within the Windows Media Center environment, using the XBox 360 or the Ceton Echo as a Windows Media Center Extender.

Lo-and-behold, I stumble across some forum posts here that indicate my WD-TV Live-SMP might be capable of streaming .mkv's with HD-MA / TrueHD?

Anyone here doing this using MediaBrowser? I already have that working on my PC, so that would be real convenient... I've been considering giving Plex a try, if that's a viable solution... any recommendations?
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The wdtv does have a live TV tab but I have no idea what it does. What is wrong with the Roku? Now that I have my Plex server up and running again I'm thinking of selling the wdtv for the Roku 3.

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Originally Posted by SkOrPn View Post

What is wrong with the Roku?
The Roku is not a great local-file media streamer for BD rips.
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Originally Posted by psuKinger View Post

I own a WD TV Live SMP. It's currently sitting on a shelf, not in use, because it wasn't particularly *good* at doing what it was that I bought for (SlingPlayer)...

So it's sitting on a shelf. Unused.

I happen to have some .mkv files that include HD-MA audio. They play nicely on my PC. I've recently been looking for a means to stream those files to other rooms in my house, and had no luck within the Windows Media Center environment, using the XBox 360 or the Ceton Echo as a Windows Media Center Extender.

Lo-and-behold, I stumble across some forum posts here that indicate my WD-TV Live-SMP might be capable of streaming .mkv's with HD-MA / TrueHD?

Anyone here doing this using MediaBrowser? I already have that working on my PC, so that would be real convenient... I've been considering giving Plex a try, if that's a viable solution... any recommendations?
I used to have a HTPC running WMC7 using mediabrowser, but then switched to Mymovies. Once I stumbled on these set-top streamers I left the HTPC world and never looked back. I currently own the Kdlinks 720, and just purchased a WDTV Live smp. No need for plex. I just share my folders on my pc which is located in my office. My house was just recently hard-wire networked. These shares are accessible to these streamers. No drivers or OS to maintain. Just turn on, select the file, and hit play. Picture quality of my dvd rips blows away WMC7. I really cannot believe how good my dvd rips looks. I would imagine they would look the same on the WDTV. Plus, since you are not streaming via DLNA (plex) you have functional menus. Yes, full DTS-MA & DD-THD output.

I don't play many MKV files, I just play straight BD & dvd rips. These streamers can provide their own metadata internally. I like to control my metadata and have been doing so with "Mymovies" for years. So, what I do now is just use the Mymovies app on my iPad. I can search my collection, actors, what movies I own with the actors I am reading about, special collection I created by genre, what's online vs offline, watched vs unwatched, etc.

Mymovies has the ability to provide metadata to many different players (DUne, IRiver, Medi8er), but I couldn't get that to work with the Kdlinks and will soon be experimenting with the WDTV when I get it (again).

The biggest change is that before with the HTPC you could search and sort your collection on the tv and just hit play (albeit always with a few bugs here and there). Now, Browsing is a separate process, and then you fire up the device to play your movie.

I just downloaded an app for my pc that sends a wake on lan signal. It's set to sleep at 30 minutes. Now I don't have to get up off the couch and go into the office to turn the pc on to watch a movie. Very happy.biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by johnBlanker View Post

A co-worker of mine was asking about cutting the cord. I told her about Netflix, HULU, AOD, which covers the streaming and tangible dvd rentals. But they always get hung up on the live tv. She likes to to watch live news tv.

Does the wdtv has any apps that stream live tv? News or any other shows? Do any devices have such a feature?

I was looking into Aereo which is an OTA subscription live tv service but it seems that it only works with the Roku for now.

I thought Aereo could only provide local OTA content? Barring some unusual OTA interference, wouldn't a digital antenna be just as good?

CC
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Originally Posted by psuKinger View Post

I own a WD TV Live SMP. It's currently sitting on a shelf, not in use, because it wasn't particularly *good* at doing what it was that I bought for (SlingPlayer)...

So it's sitting on a shelf. Unused.

I happen to have some .mkv files that include HD-MA audio. They play nicely on my PC. I've recently been looking for a means to stream those files to other rooms in my house, and had no luck within the Windows Media Center environment, using the XBox 360 or the Ceton Echo as a Windows Media Center Extender.

Lo-and-behold, I stumble across some forum posts here that indicate my WD-TV Live-SMP might be capable of streaming .mkv's with HD-MA / TrueHD?

Anyone here doing this using MediaBrowser? I already have that working on my PC, so that would be real convenient... I've been considering giving Plex a try, if that's a viable solution... any recommendations?

I have 3 of these and 2 wdtv live hubs. I have no problems with the sling app. I have a slingbox350 connected to my Dish 722 and sling HD video around the house everyday and I sling for hours at a time across the country from my home in Oklahoma to our Condo in Las Vegas when I'm out there. It takes a decent internet connection as I have Cox 25/5 at both homes and the Sling video on these looks great, many times better than what I was getting using Dish's slingadapter and dishanywhere site. I had Cox 15/2 before in Oklahoma and the video was decent but would get out of sync occasionally, but it works perfectly since Cox changed everyones packages and upgrade speeds to 25/5.
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Originally Posted by cc_in_oh View Post

I thought Aereo could only provide local OTA content? Barring some unusual OTA interference, wouldn't a digital antenna be just as good?

CC
Yes, you could get an antenna, but the subscription would save you from getting the antenna and also provides DVR backup, FF, pause RW capabilities. Theres a guide too. Not sure if OTA has channel guides.
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Originally Posted by johnBlanker View Post

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Originally Posted by SkOrPn View Post

What is wrong with the Roku?
The Roku is not a great local-file media streamer for BD rips.

On wired ethernet it would do just fine with the plex app installed. Wouldn't installing the plex media player on the Roku allow it to support every possible format as well? Doesn't the plex player also read from the USB port? I am assuming yes on all of this. Lol

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Originally Posted by johnBlanker View Post

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Originally Posted by cc_in_oh View Post

I thought Aereo could only provide local OTA content? Barring some unusual OTA interference, wouldn't a digital antenna be just as good?

CC
Yes, you could get an antenna, but the subscription would save you from getting the antenna and also provides DVR backup, FF, pause RW capabilities. Theres a guide too. Not sure if OTA has channel guides.

Ah, I didn't realize any of those features would be important just for live news.OTOH an antenna would not be dependent on any particular streamer - IOW you could choose the one that best supports your non-live content...

CC
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Originally Posted by cc_in_oh View Post

Ah, I didn't realize any of those features would be important just for live news.OTOH an antenna would not be dependent on any particular streamer - IOW you could choose the one that best supports your non-live content...

CC
I forgot, you can also watch one show while recording another, or record 2 shows at once. It looks pretty cool. I just watched a demo of it on the Roku. When talking to the wife she said "But what about my shows on Bravo.........no, gotta go!" LOL.

It's not only news, it's everything on ABC, NBC, FOX, the local channels. I live in NY. But if I just wanted to be connected for the news or weather whenever I wanted, I would probably just get a $40 antenna. Or even just turn on the computer.
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Originally Posted by johnBlanker View Post

Yes, you could get an antenna, but the subscription would save you from getting the antenna and also provides DVR backup, FF, pause RW capabilities. Theres a guide too. Not sure if OTA has channel guides.

Aereo seems like a decent way to access local channels lost as a result of your cable TV provider (like Comcast) encrypting previously available clear QAM channels. Or you're a cord cutter. This assumes you are beyond the range for normal OTA signals.

But at the same time it seems Aereo is in a roll-out mode and its service is only available in certain big cities at the moment. If and when it gets to my area is a big question. For $8/month it's an interesting concept.
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Originally Posted by SkOrPn View Post

On wired ethernet it would do just fine with the plex app installed. Wouldn't installing the plex media player on the Roku allow it to support every possible format as well? Doesn't the plex player also read from the USB port? I am assuming yes on all of this. Lol

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I was under the impression that Plex is a DLNA streamer. DLNA streamers do not support menus on dvd AFAIK. I have a ton of tv-on-dvd rips. Hard to watch those without menu support. Will the Roku with plex play straight BDMV rips and bitstream DTS-MA/DD-THD? No transcoding or muxing.
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Originally Posted by Mr.G View Post

. For $8/month it's an interesting concept.
I agree. If it was just me I would get it (and a Roku player). But considering the wife......that wouldn't fly. Plus my Internet would jump to $50 a month. I hate Cablevision (Long Island, NY) and their stronghold here. I would do it just to spite them. Cablevision won't let FIOS come in to the area either. I'm paying about $150 a month for phone, tv and internet. And that's just the "for one year" deal.

But Aereo is limited by where the antennas are. I read that they were in fierce court battles too, being sued by the networks. They need to add more device support too. I would love to see them survive.
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Originally Posted by osu1991 View Post

I have 3 of these and 2 wdtv live hubs. I have no problems with the sling app. I have a slingbox350 connected to my Dish 722 and sling HD video around the house everyday and I sling for hours at a time across the country from my home in Oklahoma to our Condo in Las Vegas when I'm out there. It takes a decent internet connection as I have Cox 25/5 at both homes and the Sling video on these looks great, many times better than what I was getting using Dish's slingadapter and dishanywhere site. I had Cox 15/2 before in Oklahoma and the video was decent but would get out of sync occasionally, but it works perfectly since Cox changed everyones packages and upgrade speeds to 25/5.

I use(d) mine to "sling" from the Family room to the bedroom. Over Cat5e ethernet.

The WD-TV works fine, once the stream gets started. Very good PQ. But getting into/out of the app takes excessively, unnessarily long. And if my intranet coughs for even a moment, and the connection breaks? It locks up, and you have to deal with these excessive, ridiculously long lock-ups.

The *original* "Slingcatcher" was a significantly better "slingplayer". I used to have two of them. One of them died (although, on a tip from a fellowo AVS-er, just last night I was able to show that the "Slingcatcher" still works, it's the one power supply that has become a paperweight... so that's a cheap fix). I already own this WD-TV, though, and I'm glad that I have discovered a new use for it.

It was fine as a Netflix/Amazon Prime player. The load times did not apply to other apps. Just Slingplayer. But that was my primary (99% of the time) use. I basically got into the habit for unplugging the device every morning when I left for work, and plugging it back in every night when I returned. Because booting up from scratch was faster than getting the thing to get out of being *locked up*.
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Originally Posted by johnBlanker View Post

I used to have a HTPC running WMC7 using mediabrowser, but then switched to Mymovies. Once I stumbled on these set-top streamers I left the HTPC world and never looked back. I currently own the Kdlinks 720, and just purchased a WDTV Live smp. No need for plex. I just share my folders on my pc which is located in my office. My house was just recently hard-wire networked. These shares are accessible to these streamers. No drivers or OS to maintain. Just turn on, select the file, and hit play. Picture quality of my dvd rips blows away WMC7. I really cannot believe how good my dvd rips looks. I would imagine they would look the same on the WDTV. Plus, since you are not streaming via DLNA (plex) you have functional menus. Yes, full DTS-MA & DD-THD output.

I don't play many MKV files, I just play straight BD & dvd rips. These streamers can provide their own metadata internally. I like to control my metadata and have been doing so with "Mymovies" for years. So, what I do now is just use the Mymovies app on my iPad. I can search my collection, actors, what movies I own with the actors I am reading about, special collection I created by genre, what's online vs offline, watched vs unwatched, etc.

Mymovies has the ability to provide metadata to many different players (DUne, IRiver, Medi8er), but I couldn't get that to work with the Kdlinks and will soon be experimenting with the WDTV when I get it (again).

The biggest change is that before with the HTPC you could search and sort your collection on the tv and just hit play (albeit always with a few bugs here and there). Now, Browsing is a separate process, and then you fire up the device to play your movie.

I just downloaded an app for my pc that sends a wake on lan signal. It's set to sleep at 30 minutes. Now I don't have to get up off the couch and go into the office to turn the pc on to watch a movie. Very happy.biggrin.gif

Very helpful. Thanks. I will probably try this tonight.

I love WMC. I use it for Live TV. All those tuners, and the ability to control those tuners over WiFi, is a sport's junkies dream. But my experience has been that it's inadequate for streaming BD rips. I rip using MakeMKV. I'm excited to give this a try.

My WDTV was always a half-decent Netflix player, so if this works, I'll unplug the Roku and plug my WDTV in instead.
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Ah, I didn't realize any of those features would be important just for live news.OTOH an antenna would not be dependent on any particular streamer - IOW you could choose the one that best supports your non-live content...

CC
I forgot, you can also watch one show while recording another, or record 2 shows at once. It looks pretty cool. I just watched a demo of it on the Roku. When talking to the wife she said "But what about my shows on Bravo.........no, gotta go!" LOL.

It's not only news, it's everything on ABC, NBC, FOX, the local channels. I live in NY. But if I just wanted to be connected for the news or weather whenever I wanted, I would probably just get a $40 antenna. Or even just turn on the computer.

But there again, ABC CBS etc non-news content can be watched or recorded from their network sites, albeit 24 hours later. $8/mo just for OTA would not have much appeal for me vs. a standalone one-time $220 recorder or one-time $70 HD PlayOn/PlayLater license...

No doubt it IS a great option for people in NYC dependent on cable because they can't get the local OTA with their own antenna - though even there I wouldn't be happy about paying much of anything for something everyone else in the country gets free...

CC

[Edit] BTW I was just on the PlayOn forum and noticed they have a plugin Aereo "channel" - so the SMP should have no problem streaming Aereo via the PlayOn service - maybe one more option worth considering if the SMP is your first choice aside from Aereo incompatibility...
Edited by cc_in_oh - 1/7/14 at 11:26am
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Originally Posted by cc_in_oh View Post

But there again, ABC CBS etc non-news content can be watched or recorded from their network sites, albeit 24 hours later. $8/mo just for OTA would not have much appeal for me vs. a standalone one-time $220 recorder or one-time $70 HD PlayOn/PlayLater license...

No doubt it IS a great option for people in NYC dependent on cable because they can't get the local OTA with their own antenna - though even there I wouldn't be happy about paying much of anything for something everyone else in the country gets free...

CC

[Edit] BTW I was just on the PlayOn forum and noticed they have a plugin Aereo "channel" - so the SMP should have no problem streaming Aereo via the PlayOn service - maybe one more option worth considering if the SMP is your first choice aside from Aereo incompatibility...
Not familiar with playon but if Aereo is accessible through the smp that even better. [ For those who don't have significant others that watch the real housewifes of ****].
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Originally Posted by cc_in_oh View Post

But there again, ABC CBS etc non-news content can be watched or recorded from their network sites, albeit 24 hours later. $8/mo just for OTA would not have much appeal for me vs. a standalone one-time $220 recorder or one-time $70 HD PlayOn/PlayLater license...
Yes you can go on your computer and get this content, but usually not live, and recorded on the computer?
I look at it like this, you are paying for the dvr service, the ability to have 2 streams for recording/watching, FF, pause, RW, while watching it on your tv (simply). If it is accessible right now on the SMP, then all you would need to do is sign up for the service and you can just turn it on. You are not spending $ on an antenna, installing the antenna and running coax and splitters to all the tvs in your house. BTW, I don't do HTPC anymore, so this doesn't really apply to those that use their HTPC with tv service.
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Originally Posted by psuKinger View Post

I love WMC. I use it for Live TV. All those tuners, and the ability to control those tuners over WiFi, is a sport's junkies dream. But my experience has been that it's inadequate for streaming BD rips.
I hear ya. The mymovies WMC plugin has a feature for an external program but it is limited to Total Media Theater and old versions of PDVD. Essentially, you could browse your movie collection in WMC and when you press play on a BD movie rip it would execute TMT/PDVD and that program would start playing the BD rip. I could count on one hand how many times this worked correctly. Either it would not open properly, would only play downmixed sound, opened on a different monitor....bugs galore. I started just using PDVD by itself to watch my BD rips on my HTPC. That's why i am rejoicing with the simplicity of these media streamers.
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The playon service sucks IMO

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Originally Posted by johnBlanker View Post

Not familiar with playon but if Aereo is accessible through the smp that even better. [ For those who don't have significant others that watch the real housewifes of ****].

To be a bit clearer (I hope), PlayOn is a service that runs on a computer - an old laptop in my case. PlayOn has the OTA networks, Amazon VOD, Hulu, and other channels built in, and then there are some free 3rd-party plug-in channels that can be added, one of which is Aereo. The SMP can be connected to the PlayOn service running on your computer.

PlayLater is the recording add-on for the PlayOn service. I actually never watch anything directly with PlayOn, I always record first, and in the case of OTA shows, edit out ads with VideoReDo before watching.

I'm not sure how that setup would work in conjunction with Aereo's own recording features, I'm just suggesting one possible way Aereo could be used on the SMP...

CC
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I was under the impression that Plex is a DLNA streamer. DLNA streamers do not support menus on dvd AFAIK. I have a ton of tv-on-dvd rips. Hard to watch those without menu support. Will the Roku with plex play straight BDMV rips and bitstream DTS-MA/DD-THD? No transcoding or muxing.

Yeah as far as I know its just a DLNA based platform on devices that do not support Plex, but on devices with the Plex Player i.e Roku, it is a full fledged player, no? I mean on my Samsung BD player it could not have been any better. No there is not any menu support for our shows as I remove that space wasting crap and only put the titles on the home server. But Plex is organizing everything into an extremely eye pleasing format. Have not even remotely found a negative on the Samsung device, or the computer for that matter, so I assume it must be the same or similar on the Roku. Maybe not though... Yes, my modern Samsung Bluray player supports all those HD sound formats, and so does Plex, that's a given. But I have not looked up what the Roku Plex app supports directly, all I know its a full fledged Media Player getting the media from its Plex Media Server. Will do that right now instead of assume these things, lol.

On the WDTV SMP its just using DLNA and there is no lovely Plex app. You have to use the ugly WDTV format.
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Originally Posted by SkOrPn View Post

The wdtv does have a live TV tab but I have no idea what it does.
You need a specific USB TV tuner that plugs into the Live-SMP and you have to attach an antenna to it. Then you can play HDTV through the Live-SMP. I don't quite get it though. If you have the antenna feed there and the Live-SMP is next to your TV, why wouldn't you just plug the antenna into the TV?

The other option that makes more sense is DLNA. The new version of the HDHR is a dual-tuner OTA network tuner with DLNA server capability. So you can have the HDHR on the network where you have antenna access and stream HDTV through a Live-SMP that is located in another part of the house with network connectivity but no access to the antenna.
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Originally Posted by SkOrPn View Post

Yeah as far as I know its just a DLNA based platform on devices that do not support Plex, but on devices with the Plex Player i.e Roku, it is a full fledged player, no? I mean on my Samsung BD player it could not have been any better. No there is not any menu support for our shows as I remove that space wasting crap and only put the titles on the home server. But Plex is organizing everything into an extremely eye pleasing format. Have not even remotely found a negative on the Samsung device, or the computer for that matter, so I assume it must be the same or similar on the Roku. Maybe not though... Yes, my modern Samsung Bluray player supports all those HD sound formats, and so does Plex, that's a given. But I have not looked up what the Roku Plex app supports directly, all I know its a full fledged Media Player getting the media from its Plex Media Server. Will do that right now instead of assume these things, lol.

On the WDTV SMP its just using DLNA and there is no lovely Plex app. You have to use the ugly WDTV format.

Can you stream the lossless audio codecs (TrueHD/HD-MA) via Plex? I've read that Plex does some "transcoding", but admittedly do not fully understand what that means...

Getting undoctored, uncompromised 1080p video + Lossless Audio is priority #1 for me. Cover art / posters / eye candy etc comes secondary... obviously, having both would be great.
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Originally Posted by SkOrPn View Post

Yeah as far as I know its just a DLNA based platform on devices that do not support Plex, but on devices with the Plex Player i.e Roku, it is a full fledged player, no? I mean on my Samsung BD player it could not have been any better. No there is not any menu support for our shows as I remove that space wasting crap and only put the titles on the home server. But Plex is organizing everything into an extremely eye pleasing format. Have not even remotely found a negative on the Samsung device, or the computer for that matter, so I assume it must be the same or similar on the Roku. Maybe not though... Yes, my modern Samsung Bluray player supports all those HD sound formats, and so does Plex, that's a given. But I have not looked up what the Roku Plex app supports directly, all I know its a full fledged Media Player getting the media from its Plex Media Server. Will do that right now instead of assume these things, lol.

On the WDTV SMP its just using DLNA and there is no lovely Plex app. You have to use the ugly WDTV format.
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Originally Posted by psuKinger View Post

Can you stream the lossless audio codecs (TrueHD/HD-MA) via Plex? I've read that Plex does some "transcoding", but admittedly do not fully understand what that means...

Getting undoctored, uncompromised 1080p video + Lossless Audio is priority #1 for me. Cover art / posters / eye candy etc comes secondary... obviously, having both would be great.
DLNA is only one way that the WDTV can access your media. The other being Windows Shares (apart from NFS shares and others). DLNA works differently than Windows shares. I go for the easy, lazy man's route. I rip my BD and dvd to their native folder and put them in a shared folder on my network. It's a one step process. I set my WDTV to access network shares (not DLNA) and it plays those files as is, with zero transcoding. DLNA (in a nutshell) takes a file and prepares it for whatever device that requests it, this can include transcoding and stripping HD audio. A DLNA streamer is not going to be able to handle a straight BD or DVD rip since they are broken up in multiple files and relay on a playlists (for seamless branching files). If you were to use DLNA streaming to play back a BD rip its going to open a BDMV folder and ask you which of the hundred or so .m2ts files do you want to play. For people that like to tinker, transcode, convert and rip out each episode of a tv series, then you really could use anything.
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