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post #31 of 133
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Originally Posted by Ryan1 View Post

Not that I don't feel your pain, but seriously, if this is your beef, you would not be very happy with too many sub-$1k receivers, regardless of what brand you got. Most of the DSP of the even most expensive ones are equally "ghastly."

Anyway, it's a pretty inexpensive receiver, which is unique in some very good ways, but also has a number of flaws. I am just not sure that there is much else which will be better at this price level.

That part is relative I suppose; I wouldn't classify a $650 receive as inexpensive, but perhaps to others it is. Thankfully I paid about half of that, which does mitigate my dissatisfaction to a certain degree.

I guess my contention is if you buy a $90 Monoprice subwoofer you can assume less than stellar performance, but if you buy a $500 sub than your expectations should be fulfilled accordingly. Even though the latter might not be a $4000 JL Audio, you still shouldn't have to put up with a horribly designed and implemented $500 subwoofer. The flaws -- if any -- should not be disproportionally larger than the benefits. That's my take on it anyway...


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Originally Posted by Ryan1 View Post

There is no excuse for bad customer service, but I really doubt they can do much about things like "The front control panel uses the most hideous blue lights on the planet," or "There's no Audyssey."

Actually, these 2 flaws would perhaps be some of the easiest issues to fix; use a normal color/intensity for the LED's, and replace the defective Sherwood auto-room EQ with Audyssey. Since Audyssey is such a recognized standard it's logical to assume the interface and implementation details are well established, so it shouldn't be like reinventing the wheel.
post #32 of 133
Customer service doesn't modify these receivers.

I suppose they could relay the message..

As far as EQ, I could imagine that the receiver would need to have the right CPU and etc to run the Audyssey receiver.

I am with you on the $650 thing. I paid $500 something for it back in Feb of 2010. The funny thing is my $300 something Harmon Hardon receiver that is about 5 years old has never seen the service department.

I guess it pays to spend less.
post #33 of 133
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Originally Posted by slinkeey View Post

Customer service doesn't modify these receivers.

I suppose they could relay the message..

True, but the president of Sherwood -- who I was dealing with -- certainly could get modifications done.
post #34 of 133
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Actually, these 2 flaws would perhaps be some of the easiest issues to fix; use a normal color/intensity for the LED's, and replace the defective Sherwood auto-room EQ with Audyssey. Since Audyssey is such a recognized standard it's logical to assume the interface and implementation details are well established, so it shouldn't be like reinventing the wheel.

Actually fixing the briteness of the display is EZ..
However adding Audyssey EQ is a major software revision that is far more costly & challenging..
May not be possible if the audio DSP has limited memory & MIPs resources..

Just my $0.02..
post #35 of 133
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Originally Posted by JimWilson View Post

True, but the president of Sherwood -- who I was dealing with -- certainly could get modifications done.

He probably would if enough people complained. Right now he probably thinks that everyone is happy.
post #36 of 133
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Originally Posted by M Code View Post

Actually fixing the briteness of the display is EZ..

Once the warranty is up, a few resisters would fix that. Or just some tinted window material.
post #37 of 133
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Originally Posted by slinkeey View Post

He probably would if enough people complained. Right now he probably thinks that everyone is happy.

There are plenty of people complaining, he's just chosen to turn a deaf ear. More than half the stuff I noted is in virtually every review -- professional or otherwise -- that I can find. The worst howl of protest is for the horrendous blue lights, so Sherwood is definitely aware this thing has problems. If they aren't then the management is more clueless than the engineers.
post #38 of 133
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Originally Posted by slinkeey View Post

Once the warranty is up, a few resisters would fix that. Or just some tinted window material.

In many AVRs..
The display briteness is controlled by CPU software..

Just my $0.02..
post #39 of 133
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Originally Posted by M Code View Post

In many AVRs..
The display briteness is controlled by CPU software..

There actually is a way to dim them, but as soon as the unit gets shut off they're automatically reset back to blinding. If it had the smarts to remember how you set them it wouldn't be such a problem, but it was never endowed with that level of intelligence.
post #40 of 133
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Originally Posted by M Code View Post

In many AVRs..
The display briteness is controlled by CPU software..

This one does it too for some of the LEDs. Some of them stay bright. That is why I said a few resisters would fix that.

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Originally Posted by JimWilson View Post

There actually is a way to dim them, but as soon as the unit gets shut off they're automatically reset back to blinding. If it had the smarts to remember how you set them it wouldn't be such a problem, but it was never endowed with that level of intelligence.

Day time viewing?
post #41 of 133
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Welcome to my world. Seems like you're now going to have the same problem with their (alleged) customer service and product quality that I have. I can sympathize, and I certainly feel your pain. It's unfortunate their customers have to endure all this BS, but it seems indicative of how Sherwood does business.

Best of luck with your journey - I sincerely hope it ends better than mine did.
post #42 of 133
Does your R-904N have a real flaw like mine or does it just have those design flaws you listed?

The reason I ask is because if yours is broken, maybe you should pursue it again.
post #43 of 133
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Originally Posted by slinkeey View Post

Does your R-904N have a real flaw like mine or does it just have those design flaws you listed?

I would consider several of those Cons I mentioned to be broken items, but not in the same manner as the broken you're forced to endure. In your case it seems to be non-functional, which is even worse.
post #44 of 133
I am suprised Jin didn't try to work with you.

On a personable level he appears to be a really decent guy.

I don't mind swapping the board. It is what it is.

Put it this way. At least they are giving me the time of day instead of just trying to blame me.
post #45 of 133
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I am suprised Jin didn't try to work with you.

On a personable level he appears to be a really decent guy.

I honestly don't know what the guy is like, because he never had the courtesy to even reply to a single email. He was directed by two of his bosses to assist with the situation -- one of those was the president of the company -- but he never thought it worth his time I guess. Must be nice to blatantly ignore your boss and still be employed.
post #46 of 133
Well my R-904N is back to life!!

Pictures of the insides: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...0#post21136740

The VuNow board has the heatsink facing down. There is a riser card that this sits on. I wonder if heat is killing this card since the heat sink is facing down.
post #47 of 133
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Originally Posted by slinkeey View Post

The VuNow board has the heatsink facing down. There is a riser card that this sits on. I wonder if heat is killing this card since the heat sink is facing down.

I'll bet that's been your problem all along! You mistakenly got the southern hemisphere model, where heat sinks instead of rises.

Certainly confirms my theory about boneheaded engineering...
post #48 of 133
I have a feeling that these are not selling that well..

The replacement unit that they sent me has a date code of only 5 days after mine was made. Maybe they did one huge production run and that was it.

The few threads on this board is about all that you see on the internet for any real discussion.

I feel like we need to shae as much knowledge about this product with one another on here because we are a minority.
post #49 of 133
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Originally Posted by slinkeey View Post

I have a feeling that these are not selling that well..

The replacement unit that they sent me has a date code of only 5 days after mine was made. Maybe they did one huge production run and that was it.

After owning this one -- and dealing with their alleged customer service -- I can certainty understand why they aren't selling.


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Originally Posted by slinkeey View Post

The few threads on this board is about all that you see on the internet for any real discussion.

I feel like we need to share as much knowledge about this product with one another on here because we are a minority.

Yea, there doesn't seem to be a lot of us. IIRC, Marantz was the only other company making a "low profile" AVR, so there's not even a lot to choose from. I assume there's a market, so if Sherwood can't move units it speaks loudly (screams?) that something isn't right.
post #50 of 133
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Originally Posted by JimWilson View Post

The first second or two of every MP3 is clipped, so you always start to hear a song after it's already in progress.

You are right. It does it for me too.. I thought I was doing something wrong until I used another DLNA client to compare it with..

Does your VuNow find your HDMI connection on the first power on?

I have to power cycle to get mine to see the HDMI connection. I
get audio and no video.. This is doesn't get fixed with any of the repairs so I know it is not an defect isolated to just mine.

I wonder if it has to do with my TV?
post #51 of 133
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You are right. It does it for me too.. I thought I was doing something wrong until I used another DLNA client to compare it with..

That's a weird one, isn't it? I also thought it must be something I was doing, but realistically what's there to do? Load VuNow and play the MP3's. Not much user intervention. I wonder if that works properly for anyone.


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Originally Posted by slinkeey View Post

Does your VuNow find your HDMI connection on the first power on?

I'm good there; so far, every time I've used VuNow it's connected OK.
post #52 of 133
Mine doesn't just skip the first 2 secs.. It does like a jitter thing.

I wish Sherwood would Kick VuNow to the curb and use some other software on that board if possible.
post #53 of 133
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Originally Posted by slinkeey View Post

Well my R-904N is back to life!!

Well that was short lived.. Vunow is dead again..
post #54 of 133
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Oh no, you have got to be kidding!

That's terrible. What are you going to do now?
post #55 of 133
Well Sherwood is testing my old VuNow board and we will see what happens from there.

I am getting a little worried seeing I bought this in January of 2009 and I have not been able to even use VuNow long enough to focus on getting my UPnP/DLNA media server working with it.. So far it works, but like you said, it gobbles up the first few seconds of audio.

Sherwood has got to do something to make this thing work correctly.

The audio section works flawlessly.

Oh yeah, I bought this through http://www.provantage.com/... To put things lightly, they are worthless... They just want you money and then offer no help. Talk about *NO* customer service!! Sherwood at least attempts to help. Provantage made out like a bandit in this deal!
post #56 of 133
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Originally Posted by slinkeey View Post

Well Sherwood is testing my old VuNow board and we will see what happens from there.

I am getting a little worried seeing I bought this in January of 2009 and I have not been able to even use VuNow long enough to focus on getting my UPnP/DLNA media server working with it.. So far it works, but like you said, it gobbles up the first few seconds of audio.

Sherwood has got to do something to make this thing work correctly.

The audio section works flawlessly.

Oh yeah, I bought this through http://www.provantage.com/... To put thinks lightly, they are worthless... They just want you money and then offer no help. Talk about rotten customer service from http://www.provantage.com/. Sherwood at least attempts to help.

Hi slinkeey,

I have been following this thread for a while now. I do not own any Sherwood products. I did in the past.

Just wante to let you know that if there is a award for "super duper customer of the year", I will vote for you. You have got to be the most understanding, loyal and most patient customer on earth. I would have got in my car and driven to their headquarters long before you got to where you are.

From now on, when I get "irritated" with a product or a company, I will think :"mmh, what would sleenkey do?"

cheers,
post #57 of 133
Well Sherwood is not denying me service so I am trying to deal with it.
This is actually my first Sherwood Product.

It replaced my Kenwood (Not Sherwood) KT-5300 and KA-3500. They are now used in the garage.
post #58 of 133
I just requested that Sherwood sent me a new Netboxx.

Hopefully they will send me one, and it will work out of the box so that they are not having me swap parts again to get mine working.

My biggest fear is that they will send me another new VuNow board and then it will last a few weeks to a month, only to die again.

I only see one other report on the net of the VuNow portion going dead, so I don't think every Vunow board out there is bad. Something in my receiver has to be frying them over time
post #59 of 133
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Originally Posted by slinkeey View Post

I just requested that Sherwood sent me a new Netboxx.

Hopefully they will send me one, and it will work out of the box so that they are not having me swap parts again to get mine working.

My biggest fear is that they will send me another new VuNow board and then it will last a few weeks to a month, only to die again.

I only see one other report on the net of the VuNow portion going dead, so I don't think every Vunow board out there is bad. Something in my receiver has to be frying them over time

I wonder if you should just tell them you aren't going to accept another VuNow board. It might be better to "point" them in the appropriate direction, instead of letting them constantly fumble around like a bunch of blind chimpanzees.
post #60 of 133
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I love the sigh of disgust around 3:15.

Maybe you should send them that link too. Let them see what the problem looks like, as well as make it clear to them the rest of the world is looking at their horrible products now.
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