What features would you like in your next Oppo BR - e.g. Oppo BDP-113 and BDP-115. - Page 5

Well, I'm disagreeing that there's really a strong need for a new player right away.

Throw out / ignore the component video discussion as it's largely a moot point. It is what it is and it's a given that new products are going to be released regardless. I was only addressing the "those who still have CRT displays are penny pinchers who will only be interested in $100 Bluray players" argument because that simply isn't true (it certainly applies to some, but definitely not all CRT owners). And at least for now, those people do have the option of getting an HD Fury and using HDMI with their current displays.

If better wifi is needed, there are ways to accomplish that right now (use a wireless bridge of your choosing and hook it up to the ethernet port on the player).

If you're running into problems with IR reception (yes, this is a pretty common problem that definitely needs to be addressed on their future players), you could use a remote IR receiver that connects to the rear panel IR input (Oppo is now selling one). In my case, I'm using the rear panel IR input and control is flawless through it. Beyond initially setting up the player, I don't think I've ever used the Oppo remote.

Both of these could be solved now for less than the cost of upgrading to a new player.

Better streaming capabilities may or may not actually require a new player. I personally think that Oppo can still add and enhance a fair amount on the current platform. Depending on whether your focus is on streaming partners (Netflix, VUDU, Amazon, Pandora, etc.) or streaming within your home network, a lot of this is out of Oppo's control so releasing a new player really won't change anything. Look at how much difficulty they've had getting Netflix to get an updated app to them - that sort of problem will remain when the next player comes out. A big part of the problem there is that the streaming partners are a lot more interested in working with a manufacturer who sells millions of players than one who sells thousands of players (I don't know the exact relative numbers, but Oppo does a lot less volume than a lot of the big names like LG, Sony, etc.). If you're talking about things like access to network shares on your home network, then it boils down to whether this can be added on the current platform or requires a new platform. But in either case it also involves getting support from the chipset manufacturer.

IMHO, 4k really isn't important until native 4k media is available (including new transports that can read the media), so there's no rush to get a new player out to support this.

Oppo's typical cycle has been 18-24 months. I'm betting that the next player will be closer to the 24 months than 18.

BD XL playback, options for dual blu ray trays one tray as a player the other as a player/burner

I'm in the market for a new BD player. I am considering the Oppo 93, but to be honest, if 4k is around the corner, also for next gen oppo, I'd like to get that as well before spending 1k+ dollars on it.

A pretty good chunk of this sort of functionality requires development work from MediaTek. Oppo can ask for stuff to be done, but they can't always get it to happen.


Again, this has a lot to do with getting partners (such as Netflix, VUDU, etc.) to deliver an app to them that they can incorporate into a firmware release. As I stated in my previous post, releasing a new player isn't really going to have an impact on those relationships. At the end of the day, Oppo is still a comparatively small company. If a company can get their app on a million players or some number of thousands of players, they're going to focus their efforts on getting it on a million players as that means more revenue for them.


The difficult part is really deinterlacing, not upscaling. People with 4k TV's should be fine with sources that deliver 1080p for now, letting the TV upscale that to 4k. There really doesn't need to be a big rush to get 4k scaling out there in source devices in the next few months, but it's certainly something I would think would be included on the next platform.

Yes, and you'll see more or less the same menu design in all Mediatek based players.

Oppo Digital extends the standard GUI that Mediatek generates. You see this when comparing the different screens between vendors using the same SOC. The most obvious is the home menu. Compare the Cambridge Azur 751BD BD player to Oppo BDP-93 for example.

As long as there's an option to turn the light off .

No, there isn't. I've put an opaque cover over mine (from http://www.lightdims.com).

That's why there is a back lit remote. If the room is so dark that you can't find the eject button, how do you put your media back in its case and align the media to its holder?

Thanx for the link.
There are 2 different products.
How well do they work in your opinion?

They work very well as long as the surface you're trying to cover up is flat or gently curved. If the LED sticks out more than a very slight amount from the panel, the stickers don't attach very well at all, at least in my experience so far. I've got some of each type (regular strength and black out). I'm only using the black out version and they do seem to block 100% of the light.

I still want this...

I just find that a odd request IMHO.

The player is much more then a BD player, so having a "Welcome to something" greeting or when powering off the unit "bye", seems lacking in impressing a consumer. When you traditionally start up a computer, which is the general direction of all these smart devices, sure you get a brief greeting, but most people ignore that and want to see the interface so they can get started doing exactly what they need to do. If anything loading into the interface quicker would be a long term goal, that and remote control by computer/smart device of same player as a goal IMHO.

Cool...I'll order some.

Jog/Shuttle on the remote. If you've ever used a good editing VTR or a CAV LD player with this feature, you know how awesome it can be.

Obviously, responsiveness can be an issue with this feature on DVD & blu-ray, due to the structure of the codec & how it's arranged on disc. I think the key to usability is to make it control the media time, which you can display as an overlay. The player is going to lag a bit, but as long as the media time display is responsive, users will have no problem controlling it.

Even many sports cars have some kind of start-up sequence, such as sweeping the gauges.



I think the greeting exists as a way to inform the user that the device is booting. Immediate display of the UI is not an option. Yet you still want to show the user that the player is working on your request, so that they don't start to wonder whether it's broken.

I'd probably stay away from cheesy greetings like "Welcome to DVD World". If I were building it, I'd be inclined to do something like display the word "OPPO", one letter at a time, with each corresponding to a stage of the bootup/init sequence. It not only lets them brand the player (you obviously know it's an OPPO player, but visitors/guests might not), but could also serve as a progress bar and a diagnostic.

The Oppo BDP-93/95 does have a start up sequence.


If you owned a recent Oppo player you would know that the player starts up in this sequence:
HELLO, after couple of seconds, OPPO, a few seconds later display dim's if set that way, then transitions to a status, showing LOADING if media is already present or OPEN if tray is extended. If close tray it shows CLOSE, if media completes loading it changes to the type of media for example BDMV, then you will see 0 000000, then it will state showing its progression through short loads to the startup menu.


Now you see why my above post is responded in the manner that it was. The bootup process is quite informative as is.

I wasn't advocating to change it, necessarily. I was just defending the idea of a having a bootup sequence, yet not making it "fluffy".

You're correct that I'm not a current owner. I only just upgraded my display (previous one had no HDMI in). I looked at getting a used BDP-83 or new BDP-93, but am leaning towards waiting for the next gen unit.

BTW, I forgot all about my biggest request, which would be for motion-compensated deinterlacing!!

I'm surprised this still isn't commonplace in DVD players and video processors. Yet you can find stand-alone format converters from more than 10 years ago that had it, and many TVs that do motion interpolation do essentially the same thing.

Please let's not start a flame war about this. I know a lot about de-interlacing, and their previous models use motion-adaptive deinterlacing. There's a big difference. If the video deinterlacing of their current products is good enough for you, that's great. I'm just saying that I'm a potential buyer who ranks this at the top of my purchasing priorities. So much so that I would have already bought a BDP-93, if it had this.

The BDP-93 I think you would find more useful in the long term, not to say the BDP-83 isn't a darn good unit for playback of traditional physical media. I have both, among others. The 93 handily more networked, can add that functionality to older audio setup. The fact that has dual HDMI 1.4 ports, can handle 3D and probably 4K usually is more of a attraction then the 83.

see How is the BDP-93 different from the BDP-83?

I'm surprised no one has thought of suggesting a more sophisticated status, or interface screen like another recent player, the Pioneer N50.

Thanks for the pointer. I did read extensively about both players, including the VRS and Qdeo processing chipsets.

I disagree.

I have a Pioneer Elite 510HD. A truly wonderful rear projection high def display. It is a very old set. 9/10/11 years? The picture quality is much higher than nearly any fixed pixel device I've seen. Unfortunately, it has no HDMI input. And I am seriously considering purchase of a Oppo-93 but am mystified about how they could have NOT provided the same quality on component outs as they do on HDMI. How ridiculous!

Anyway, one other suggestion is one of the forms of full surround sound when streaming netflix.

-Mike

It is ridiculous, but it's not their fault. It's the content industry's fault for placing this limit on new players. Manufacturers are no longer allowed to build players that output a HD signal from the component outputs.

Your best bet would be to buy an older player (or use a HTPC). I think the BDP-83 could output 1080i over component. I'm not sure if standalone players were ever allowed 1080p.

Some video processors might do 1080p over analog. I'm sure the folks over in the projector forum would be happy to share advice on setups that would help you max out your projector's potential.

The BDP-93 and -83 have the same component video capabilities. Both will produce 1080i for Blu-ray and non-protected DVD and 480p for protected DVD.

-Bill

Better streaming of music and better interface
Slot-in drive