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post #121 of 905
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I don't think any of us are suggesting that there will never be a need for a new player or that progress should stop. All I was getting at is that at least some of the people using older displays ARE customers who are most definitely interested in the very best products available. These people aren't cheap, as you seem to be suggesting (by saying they would be interested in $100-200 players) - in their opinion the new display options have not yet surpassed what they currently have and in some ways, that's actually true (black levels, for example). But the gab is closing quickly, so those people will probably have current options available that they'll be happy with before too long.

But that doesn't mean that progress should stop because new products won't work on those older devices. There's not much (actually there really isn't anything) the player manufacturers can do about the rules that prevent component video from being present on new players.

The thing is that there's still room for Oppo to improve the current platform without the need to introduce a new platform. I'm sure they're balancing that with the costs involved with getting a new platform out the door. We all know a new player will come along at some point, but I'm pretty sure it won't be in the next few months.

OK - I honestly don't know if I'm agreeing with your or disagreeing with you.

I think if they kept to about an 18 month cycle they would have a BD-103 out around May that would have a TON of better streaming features, a much better wifi unit, better remote receiver capabilities. If people feel left out in the cold because they have component video they could get a component switch box or live with the Oppo 93- no reason the rest of the world has to wait a few years for them to upgrade their TVs for Oppo to crank out some great new BR players. My living room TV is a RP CRT.

They could begin development at that point (May) of a BD-113 with 4K capabilities, HDMI 2.0, 802.11ac and have that bad boy ready by xmas of 2013 and perhaps a keyboard screen remote so it is easier to type in your netflix, pandora, youtube etc destinations or a couple of usb ports for a wireless keyboard and mouse should the end user want them.
post #122 of 905
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OK - I honestly don't know if I'm agreeing with your or disagreeing with you.

I think if they kept to about an 18 month cycle they would have a BD-103 out around May that would have a TON of better streaming features, a much better wifi unit, better remote receiver capabilities. If people feel left out in the cold because they have component video they could get a component switch box or live with the Oppo 93- no reason the rest of the world has to wait a few years for them to upgrade their TVs for Oppo to crank out some great new BR players. My living room TV is a RP CRT.

They could begin development at that point (May) of a BD-113 with 4K capabilities, HDMI 2.0, 802.11ac and have that bad boy ready by xmas of 2013 and perhaps a keyboard screen remote so it is easier to type in your netflix, pandora, youtube etc destinations or a couple of usb ports for a wireless keyboard and mouse should the end user want them.

Well, I'm disagreeing that there's really a strong need for a new player right away.

Throw out / ignore the component video discussion as it's largely a moot point. It is what it is and it's a given that new products are going to be released regardless. I was only addressing the "those who still have CRT displays are penny pinchers who will only be interested in $100 Bluray players" argument because that simply isn't true (it certainly applies to some, but definitely not all CRT owners). And at least for now, those people do have the option of getting an HD Fury and using HDMI with their current displays.

If better wifi is needed, there are ways to accomplish that right now (use a wireless bridge of your choosing and hook it up to the ethernet port on the player).

If you're running into problems with IR reception (yes, this is a pretty common problem that definitely needs to be addressed on their future players), you could use a remote IR receiver that connects to the rear panel IR input (Oppo is now selling one). In my case, I'm using the rear panel IR input and control is flawless through it. Beyond initially setting up the player, I don't think I've ever used the Oppo remote.

Both of these could be solved now for less than the cost of upgrading to a new player.

Better streaming capabilities may or may not actually require a new player. I personally think that Oppo can still add and enhance a fair amount on the current platform. Depending on whether your focus is on streaming partners (Netflix, VUDU, Amazon, Pandora, etc.) or streaming within your home network, a lot of this is out of Oppo's control so releasing a new player really won't change anything. Look at how much difficulty they've had getting Netflix to get an updated app to them - that sort of problem will remain when the next player comes out. A big part of the problem there is that the streaming partners are a lot more interested in working with a manufacturer who sells millions of players than one who sells thousands of players (I don't know the exact relative numbers, but Oppo does a lot less volume than a lot of the big names like LG, Sony, etc.). If you're talking about things like access to network shares on your home network, then it boils down to whether this can be added on the current platform or requires a new platform. But in either case it also involves getting support from the chipset manufacturer.

IMHO, 4k really isn't important until native 4k media is available (including new transports that can read the media), so there's no rush to get a new player out to support this.

Oppo's typical cycle has been 18-24 months. I'm betting that the next player will be closer to the 24 months than 18.
post #123 of 905
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I was only addressing the "those who still have CRT displays are penny pinchers who will only be interested in $100 Bluray players" argument because that simply isn't true (it certainly applies to some, but definitely not all CRT owners). And at least for now, those people do have the option of getting an HD Fury and using HDMI with their current displays.

Frankly, someone inferred quite a bit. Actually I'm a penny pincher, I never labeled others as penny pinchers nor would I expect them to be offended if they are careful about spending their money. If people are happy with the status quo for the Oppo 93 and 83 they could just get one (at a discount when the new model comes out as some will upgrade). I buy used stuff on Craigslist when it doesn't change the equation. I got a great deal on two Anthem amps as buying new ones really didn't change much in my eyes.

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... or streaming within your home network, a lot of this is out of Oppo's control so releasing a new player really won't change anything.

Why would menuing for streaming from my home network be beyond's Oppos control? Adding bookmarks/favorites would be beyond their control?

As for streaming, I agree some of it could probably be addressed with a firmware update but I've seen no significant change in the 93 that I've had a year so my guess is that they are limited as I doubt I'm the first one to notice the opportunity for so many tweaks that could be made for it.

As for 4K - who cares when the media comes out - when the sets come out if you had a player that does decent upscaling as the 93 does a fantastic job of upscaling to 1080 who wouldn't want their DVDs and BRs upscaled to 4K? Who wouldn't want their streamed media upscaled to 4K if they had a 4k set. And by December of 2013 I would imagine there will be several 4K sets to choose from. Yes, 4K media will be nice indeed but until then if I had a 4K set, I'd want my existing videos upscaled.

While I don't know when the next Oppos come out it would seem to benefit them to release them closer to 18 months apart as the technology for some of the improvements won't be standardized for another 6-8 months so that gives them little time to incorporate them if they went with a 24 month schedule. If however if they stick closer to an 18 month cycle they could be ahead of the competition or at least keeping up with the competition.
post #124 of 905
BD XL playback, options for dual blu ray trays one tray as a player the other as a player/burner
post #125 of 905
I'm in the market for a new BD player. I am considering the Oppo 93, but to be honest, if 4k is around the corner, also for next gen oppo, I'd like to get that as well before spending 1k+ dollars on it.
post #126 of 905
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Why would menuing for streaming from my home network be beyond's Oppos control? Adding bookmarks/favorites would be beyond their control?

A pretty good chunk of this sort of functionality requires development work from MediaTek. Oppo can ask for stuff to be done, but they can't always get it to happen.

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As for streaming, I agree some of it could probably be addressed with a firmware update but I've seen no significant change in the 93 that I've had a year so my guess is that they are limited as I doubt I'm the first one to notice the opportunity for so many tweaks that could be made for it.

Again, this has a lot to do with getting partners (such as Netflix, VUDU, etc.) to deliver an app to them that they can incorporate into a firmware release. As I stated in my previous post, releasing a new player isn't really going to have an impact on those relationships. At the end of the day, Oppo is still a comparatively small company. If a company can get their app on a million players or some number of thousands of players, they're going to focus their efforts on getting it on a million players as that means more revenue for them.

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As for 4K - who cares when the media comes out - when the sets come out if you had a player that does decent upscaling as the 93 does a fantastic job of upscaling to 1080 who wouldn't want their DVDs and BRs upscaled to 4K?

The difficult part is really deinterlacing, not upscaling. People with 4k TV's should be fine with sources that deliver 1080p for now, letting the TV upscale that to 4k. There really doesn't need to be a big rush to get 4k scaling out there in source devices in the next few months, but it's certainly something I would think would be included on the next platform.
post #127 of 905
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A pretty good chunk of this sort of functionality requires development work from MediaTek. Oppo can ask for stuff to be done, but they can't always get it to happen.

Interesting. Is the entire menu developed by Mediatek?
post #128 of 905
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Interesting. Is the entire menu developed by Mediatek?

Yes, and you'll see more or less the same menu design in all Mediatek based players.
post #129 of 905
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Interesting. Is the entire menu developed by Mediatek?

Oppo Digital extends the standard GUI that Mediatek generates. You see this when comparing the different screens between vendors using the same SOC. The most obvious is the home menu. Compare the Cambridge Azur 751BD BD player to Oppo BDP-93 for example.
post #130 of 905
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In all my posts about streaming I forgot the one hardware change I would really like on the next model - a led light on the eject button. I can never find it in a dark room.
post #131 of 905
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In all my posts about streaming I forgot the one hardware change I would really like on the next model - a led light on the eject button. I can never find it in a dark room.

As long as there's an option to turn the light off .
post #132 of 905
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As long as there's an option to turn the light off .

Sure. I've never noticed, is there an option to turn the power light off?
post #133 of 905
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Sure. I've never noticed, is there an option to turn the power light off?

No, there isn't. I've put an opaque cover over mine (from http://www.lightdims.com).
post #134 of 905
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In all my posts about streaming I forgot the one hardware change I would really like on the next model - a led light on the eject button. I can never find it in a dark room.

That's why there is a back lit remote. If the room is so dark that you can't find the eject button, how do you put your media back in its case and align the media to its holder?
post #135 of 905
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No, there isn't. I've put an opaque cover over mine (from http://www.lightdims.com).

Thanx for the link.
There are 2 different products.
How well do they work in your opinion?
post #136 of 905
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Thanx for the link.
There are 2 different products.
How well do they work in your opinion?

They work very well as long as the surface you're trying to cover up is flat or gently curved. If the LED sticks out more than a very slight amount from the panel, the stickers don't attach very well at all, at least in my experience so far. I've got some of each type (regular strength and black out). I'm only using the black out version and they do seem to block 100% of the light.
post #137 of 905
I still want this...
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When I turn on my Panasonic DVD-F87 5 disc changer, the display says "Welcome to DVD World". Kinda gives the unit personality don't ya think? When I turn on my 93, all's it says is "Hello". YAWN! And when I turn off my Panny changer is says "Bye".

I'd like to see, in a future f/w version something that gives my Oppo 93 some personality. When I power it on I'd like to see it display: "Welcome to Blu-ray World!" (If the "!" isn't a doable character that's okay though.)

Who's with me!?!?
post #138 of 905
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I still want this...

I just find that a odd request IMHO.

The player is much more then a BD player, so having a "Welcome to something" greeting or when powering off the unit "bye", seems lacking in impressing a consumer. When you traditionally start up a computer, which is the general direction of all these smart devices, sure you get a brief greeting, but most people ignore that and want to see the interface so they can get started doing exactly what they need to do. If anything loading into the interface quicker would be a long term goal, that and remote control by computer/smart device of same player as a goal IMHO.
post #139 of 905
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They work very well as long as the surface you're trying to cover up is flat or gently curved. If the LED sticks out more than a very slight amount from the panel, the stickers don't attach very well at all, at least in my experience so far. I've got some of each type (regular strength and black out). I'm only using the black out version and they do seem to block 100% of the light.

Cool...I'll order some.
post #140 of 905
Jog/Shuttle on the remote. If you've ever used a good editing VTR or a CAV LD player with this feature, you know how awesome it can be.

Obviously, responsiveness can be an issue with this feature on DVD & blu-ray, due to the structure of the codec & how it's arranged on disc. I think the key to usability is to make it control the media time, which you can display as an overlay. The player is going to lag a bit, but as long as the media time display is responsive, users will have no problem controlling it.
post #141 of 905
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I just find that a odd request IMHO.

The player is much more then a BD player, so having a "Welcome to something" greeting or when powering off the unit "bye", seems lacking in impressing a consumer.

Even many sports cars have some kind of start-up sequence, such as sweeping the gauges.


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When you traditionally start up a computer, which is the general direction of all these smart devices, sure you get a brief greeting, but most people ignore that and want to see the interface so they can get started doing exactly what they need to do.

I think the greeting exists as a way to inform the user that the device is booting. Immediate display of the UI is not an option. Yet you still want to show the user that the player is working on your request, so that they don't start to wonder whether it's broken.

I'd probably stay away from cheesy greetings like "Welcome to DVD World". If I were building it, I'd be inclined to do something like display the word "OPPO", one letter at a time, with each corresponding to a stage of the bootup/init sequence. It not only lets them brand the player (you obviously know it's an OPPO player, but visitors/guests might not), but could also serve as a progress bar and a diagnostic.
post #142 of 905
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Even many sports cars have some kind of start-up sequence, such as sweeping the gauges.

The Oppo BDP-93/95 does have a start up sequence.

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I think the greeting exists as a way to inform the user that the device is booting. Immediate display of the UI is not an option. Yet you still want to show the user that the player is working on your request, so that they don't start to wonder whether it's broken.

If you owned a recent Oppo player you would know that the player starts up in this sequence:
HELLO, after couple of seconds, OPPO, a few seconds later display dim's if set that way, then transitions to a status, showing LOADING if media is already present or OPEN if tray is extended. If close tray it shows CLOSE, if media completes loading it changes to the type of media for example BDMV, then you will see 0 000000, then it will state showing its progression through short loads to the startup menu.

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I'd probably stay away from cheesy greetings like "Welcome to DVD World". If I were building it, I'd be inclined to do something like display the word "OPPO", one letter at a time, with each corresponding to a stage of the bootup/init sequence. It not only lets them brand the player (you obviously know it's an OPPO player, but visitors/guests might not), but could also serve as a progress bar and a diagnostic.

Now you see why my above post is responded in the manner that it was. The bootup process is quite informative as is.
post #143 of 905
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Now you see why my above post is responded in the manner that it was. The bootup process is quite informative as is.

I wasn't advocating to change it, necessarily. I was just defending the idea of a having a bootup sequence, yet not making it "fluffy".

You're correct that I'm not a current owner. I only just upgraded my display (previous one had no HDMI in). I looked at getting a used BDP-83 or new BDP-93, but am leaning towards waiting for the next gen unit.
post #144 of 905
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I looked at getting a used BDP-83 or new BDP-93, but am leaning towards waiting for the next gen unit.

BTW, I forgot all about my biggest request, which would be for motion-compensated deinterlacing!!

I'm surprised this still isn't commonplace in DVD players and video processors. Yet you can find stand-alone format converters from more than 10 years ago that had it, and many TVs that do motion interpolation do essentially the same thing.

Please let's not start a flame war about this. I know a lot about de-interlacing, and their previous models use motion-adaptive deinterlacing. There's a big difference. If the video deinterlacing of their current products is good enough for you, that's great. I'm just saying that I'm a potential buyer who ranks this at the top of my purchasing priorities. So much so that I would have already bought a BDP-93, if it had this.
post #145 of 905
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I wasn't advocating to change it, necessarily. I was just defending the idea of a having a bootup sequence, yet not making it "fluffy".

You're correct that I'm not a current owner. I only just upgraded my display (previous one had no HDMI in). I looked at getting a used BDP-83 or new BDP-93, but am leaning towards waiting for the next gen unit.

The BDP-93 I think you would find more useful in the long term, not to say the BDP-83 isn't a darn good unit for playback of traditional physical media. I have both, among others. The 93 handily more networked, can add that functionality to older audio setup. The fact that has dual HDMI 1.4 ports, can handle 3D and probably 4K usually is more of a attraction then the 83.

see How is the BDP-93 different from the BDP-83?

I'm surprised no one has thought of suggesting a more sophisticated status, or interface screen like another recent player, the Pioneer N50.
post #146 of 905
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The BDP-93 I think you would find more useful in the long term, not to say the BDP-83 isn't a darn good unit for playback of traditional physical media.

Thanks for the pointer. I did read extensively about both players, including the VRS and Qdeo processing chipsets.
post #147 of 905
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I can understand that and I would suggest those people who have a TVs 9 years old and beyond (as my 8 year old TV - connected to an Oppo 93 has DVI which can be linked to HDMI) probably aren't in the target market for a state of the art BR player. I think they probably are more likely the $100 and $200 BR player target market or the used oppo 83 market. I think there is probably a pretty good sized market with TVs that are less than a decade old that might like new features added to the existing Oppo 93 and 95 designs. I'll be getting a new TV this summer and a new BR player for the bedroom and as much as I like my 93, I certainly want a newer model of the Oppo to go with my new TV.

I disagree.

I have a Pioneer Elite 510HD. A truly wonderful rear projection high def display. It is a very old set. 9/10/11 years? The picture quality is much higher than nearly any fixed pixel device I've seen. Unfortunately, it has no HDMI input. And I am seriously considering purchase of a Oppo-93 but am mystified about how they could have NOT provided the same quality on component outs as they do on HDMI. How ridiculous!

Anyway, one other suggestion is one of the forms of full surround sound when streaming netflix.

-Mike
post #148 of 905
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I am seriously considering purchase of a Oppo-93 but am mystified about how they could have NOT provided the same quality on component outs as they do on HDMI. How ridiculous!

It is ridiculous, but it's not their fault. It's the content industry's fault for placing this limit on new players. Manufacturers are no longer allowed to build players that output a HD signal from the component outputs.

Your best bet would be to buy an older player (or use a HTPC). I think the BDP-83 could output 1080i over component. I'm not sure if standalone players were ever allowed 1080p.

Some video processors might do 1080p over analog. I'm sure the folks over in the projector forum would be happy to share advice on setups that would help you max out your projector's potential.
post #149 of 905
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Your best bet would be to buy an older player (or use a HTPC). I think the BDP-83 could output 1080i over component. I'm not sure if standalone players were ever allowed 1080p.

The BDP-93 and -83 have the same component video capabilities. Both will produce 1080i for Blu-ray and non-protected DVD and 480p for protected DVD.

-Bill
post #150 of 905
Better streaming of music and better interface
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