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post #331 of 908
Given some audio download companies are starting to offer direct DSD audio file downloads, it would be nice to have DSD file compatability. This can be done with PS3 and some Sony players.
post #332 of 908
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Originally Posted by glangford View Post

Given some audio download companies are starting to offer direct DSD audio file downloads, it would be nice to have DSD file compatability. This can be done with PS3 and some Sony players.

YES! Some of these companies do not offer these in SACD formats. Only regular CDs or DSD downloadable files. The PS3 will not output DSD (converts them to 24/176 PCM) over HDMI. I'd love it if the Oppo could play these off attached storage or off a DVD disc with the DSD files burned on it (as the PS3 does) but outputting DSD direct to my receiver.


Max
post #333 of 908
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Originally Posted by Vagabond View Post

Well I for one really would appreciate the ability to change the size of subtitles. On some discs the subtitle size is really huge and it would be great to be able to customize those on the fly.

It's a feature my 6 year old Philips bedroom dvd player has, so it sure isn't neither unheard of, nor impossible to implement.

Cheers

Yes! Essentially a zoom control for the subtitle overlay. This may crop the subtitles if you zoom too far, but most subtitles leave quite a lot of room to accommodate overscan, so you could probably get up to 1.2x without any trouble. Positioned subs may be thrown off by a bit, but not many discs have those and they would probably be quite usable anyway. A good option regardless.
post #334 of 908
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Originally Posted by boe View Post

Sony's $250 BR player offers 4k upscaling.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/24/s...ine-in-stores/

If it upscales BR to 4K like DVD players in that price bracket used to upscale DVD to BR then it will not be a feature worth having. But given how much a 4K display/project costs, if you can afford 4K then why would you buy something cheap like this?
post #335 of 908
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Originally Posted by rakosnicek View Post

If it upscales BR to 4K like DVD players in that price bracket used to upscale DVD to BR then it will not be a feature worth having. But given how much a 4K display/project costs, if you can afford 4K then why would you buy something cheap like this?

I'm saying I want Oppo to do it because Oppo does a nice job with upscaling DVDs to 1080.
post #336 of 908
My big want is extreme DVD upscaling quality. Even now the major part of my media library is DVD, and many of the titles I have aren't going to be in blueray any time soon. So DVD playback quality is key, either off physical media or DNLA.

I'd especially like to see it be a significant upgrade over the BDP-83 in that area.

4K upscaling is sort of a meh feature to me because I doubt I'll have a display that will support it for this generation player.

I would like to have some sort of nice API like a REST interface for controlling the player.
post #337 of 908
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Originally Posted by ehlarson View Post

My big want is extreme DVD upscaling quality. Even now the major part of my media library is DVD, and many of the titles I have aren't going to be in blueray any time soon. So DVD playback quality is key, either off physical media or DNLA.

I'd especially like to see it be a significant upgrade over the BDP-83 in that area.

There are limits to what can be done with DVD and think we are close to the end now. Did you have specific improvements in mind?

-Bill
post #338 of 908
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

There are limits to what can be done with DVD and think we are close to the end now.
-Bill

post #339 of 908
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

There are limits to what can be done with DVD and think we are close to the end now. Did you have specific improvements in mind?

-Bill

Well I like the job the BDP-83 does, however I think the Denon 3930 is better yet. It seems to be more translucent and analog looking, the way film looks.

I don't have the Denon any more because reliability issues and Denon's crummy service attitude (unlike Oppo's which is great), but I miss that look.
post #340 of 908
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Originally Posted by ehlarson View Post

Well I like the job the BDP-83 does, however I think the Denon 3930 is better yet. It seems to be more translucent and analog looking, the way film looks.

I don't have the Denon any more because reliability issues and Denon's crummy service attitude (unlike Oppo's which is great), but I miss that look.

We'd have to have some way of analyzing that and figuring out where the "look" comes from. As we approach the limit I suspect subjective preferences predominate, and those are hard to deal with.

It's the old debate: the test patterns may be "perfect" (as much as DVD allows) but it's possible that viewers may like various tweaks that deviate from that.

On the 983H I found that sharpness = -2 (the limit) gave a nice film-like image. The BDP-83 is more complicated because it has two sharpness controls, and you want to watch both DVD and Blu-ray, which may need to be treated differently. And the BDP-93 is a different chip set with it's own characteristics and controls.

-Bill
post #341 of 908
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

We'd have to have some way of analyzing that and figuring out where the "look" comes from. As we approach the limit I suspect subjective preferences predominate, and those are hard to deal with.

Well, yes. Obviously I don't have the capability to do that sort of measurement in my living room so I'm not in a position to offer you a solution to matching measurable parameters to my subjective impression, so pushing that as a conversational point isn't productive. I will say that I experimented with the sharpness settings and didn't find that they varied what was needed to bring the Oppo up to the Denon 3930. I have read that the Realta video processor produces less ringing than the ABT, however I have no idea whether or not that's what I am seeing.

I am still hoping that whatever Oppo comes up with a next generation player exceeds the performance of the BDP-83 in DVD playback and hopefully products like the Denon 3930. A big reason I didn't buy a 93 is various limitations and bugs reported with respect to DVD playback.
post #342 of 908
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Originally Posted by ehlarson View Post

Well, yes. Obviously I don't have the capability to do that sort of measurement in my living room so I'm not in a position to offer you a solution to matching measurable parameters to my subjective impression, so pushing that as a conversational point isn't productive. I will say that I experimented with the sharpness settings and didn't find that they varied what was needed to bring the Oppo up to the Denon 3930. I have read that the Realta video processor produces less ringing than the ABT, however I have no idea whether or not that's what I am seeing.

I am still hoping that whatever Oppo comes up with a next generation player exceeds the performance of the BDP-83 in DVD playback and hopefully products like the Denon 3930. A big reason I didn't buy a 93 is various limitations and bugs reported with respect to DVD playback.

You know there's no reason to stop using the 3930 for DVD playback just because you've got an Oppo. I've still got a 2930 hooked up that I often use for DVD/SACD playback even though I've got an Oppo which does both.

It just depends on my mood as to which I use. I've had the 2930 since it came out and by the time I picked up the Oppo, well, it just wasn't worth my time trying to sell it so I bought another shelf instead
post #343 of 908
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Originally Posted by ehlarson View Post

I am still hoping that whatever Oppo comes up with a next generation player exceeds the performance of the BDP-83 in DVD playback and hopefully products like the Denon 3930. A big reason I didn't buy a 93 is various limitations and bugs reported with respect to DVD playback.

From whats been mentioned in the video processor forum ;that extra dollop of goodness may be a built in darblet processor ;very sophisticated algorithms it seems unless an outboard one for other bandwidth starved sources appeals more..

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1399154&page=3

http://darbeevision.com/view_news/id...I_Based_Video_

Ide rather 4k scaling to be done elsewhere [if its indeed needed depending on your screen size and how far back you sit
post #344 of 908
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Originally Posted by rakosnicek View Post

You know there's no reason to stop using the 3930 for DVD playback just because you've got an Oppo. I've still got a 2930 hooked up that I often use for DVD/SACD playback even though I've got an Oppo which does both.

It just depends on my mood as to which I use. I've had the 2930 since it came out and by the time I picked up the Oppo, well, it just wasn't worth my time trying to sell it so I bought another shelf instead

Well, I gave up on the 3930 because the laser in it died 3 times. Denon (they have to know it's a defective design) raped me (hundreds of dollars and a 2 month turnaround) the first time I had it repaired. The second time I fixed it myself, the third time I repaired it then Craig Listed it because it wasn't worth the hassle.

When I had my BDP-83 fixed for the ubiquitous loader problem they did it free with a 1 day turnaround. Out of warranty.

Oppo is a great company and has won my loyalty because they stood behind their product. If only they would up their game a bit with DVD upscaling in their next player so it was as pretty as the 3930, or as a dream even better I'd be a very happy camper. I will probably buy it when it comes out in any case just to have an up to date player.

Denon makes nice gear. The 3930 was a sweet DVD player. But I won't buy a Denon player again because their support can't hold a candle to Oppo.
post #345 of 908
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Originally Posted by cwt View Post

From whats been mentioned in the video processor forum ;that extra dollop of goodness may be a built in darblet processor ;very sophisticated algorithms it seems unless an outboard one for other bandwidth starved sources appeals more..

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1399154&page=3

http://darbeevision.com/view_news/id...I_Based_Video_

Ide rather 4k scaling to be done elsewhere [if its indeed needed depending on your screen size and how far back you sit

You are right that maybe I'll end with an external processor. The Darblet though - seems to much like one of those audiophile things. I'm taking a wait for the reviews by someone with equipment to measure what it actually does.
post #346 of 908
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Originally Posted by ehlarson View Post

You are right that maybe I'll end with an external processor. The Darblet though - seems to much like one of those audiophile things. I'm taking a wait for the reviews by someone with equipment to measure what it actually does.

Wise move; just noticed some thoughts on it from Jeff Meier that impress ;

http://homecinemaguru.com/?p=1909
post #347 of 908
Thread Starter 
I'd really like it to load the networking services upon bootup. You have to wait about 20 seconds after it says no disc before the network services are completely loaded and the no disc is about 30 seconds or so. If the network services are not fully loaded it loses track of where you last opened a video so you have to go back to computer, video, folder, tvshows, white collar, season 1... I have other devices that load and boot in seconds such as my ipad so I know it can be done. The other option might be as I said before bookmarks so you have the folder where your movies or TV shows are located so you don't have to select your PC/DLNA server each time, video, folder each time.
post #348 of 908
I don't think this has been mentioned, but I would like to see the Sirius radio system on the next Oppo. I have it in my car, and I can use it on my computer. I rarely listen to any other radio broadcasts now.
post #349 of 908
A lower price tag.
post #350 of 908
Probably mentioned before, but moveable subtitles (scope screen friendly) even for 3D movies. How about an auto subtitle function when scope films are detected?

Also, a scope screen crop/zoom that works with 3D content as well. Many 3D projectors have an either/or approach with their image scaling software which makes things difficult for 2.35:1 ratio 3D content viewers using scope screens.
post #351 of 908
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Originally Posted by Dan Hitchman View Post

Probably mentioned before, but moveable subtitles (scope screen friendly) even for 3D movies. How about an auto subtitle function when scope films are detected?

Also, a scope screen crop/zoom that works with 3D content as well. Many 3D projectors have an either/or approach with their image scaling software which makes things difficult for 2.35:1 ratio 3D content viewers using scope screens.

I don't use 3D, but don't the current OPPO models have subtitle shift that works with these discs?

Scope screen crop/zoom: what would that be? Is it something different than the vertical stretch we have now?

-Bill
post #352 of 908
Wmcclain,

That's what I meant to say: "crop 'n' stretch."
post #353 of 908
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Originally Posted by classicrecording View Post

I don't think this has been mentioned, but I would like to see the Sirius radio system on the next Oppo. I have it in my car, and I can use it on my computer. I rarely listen to any other radio broadcasts now.

Yes, it would be great if you could stream Sirius over the Internet using the Oppo.
post #354 of 908
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Originally Posted by classicrecording View Post

I don't think this has been mentioned, but I would like to see the Sirius radio system on the next Oppo. I have it in my car, and I can use it on my computer. I rarely listen to any other radio broadcasts now.

Your better off having Sirius radio on a receiver, unless your talking about a reciever with Blu Ray player built in by Oppo
post #355 of 908
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Originally Posted by img eL View Post

Your better off having Sirius radio on a receiver, unless your talking about a reciever with Blu Ray player built in by Oppo

I don't use a receiver, I use my 95 plugged directly into my amp's, and my TV by HDMI - 1. I am hoping that the next Oppo will have an input to access their DAC's for 5.1 audio TV playback. That is why I would like to have the Sirius Radio through the Oppo; I want to keep a receiver out of the audio chain.
post #356 of 908
I think Oppo has extracted 95% of what can be gotten out of DVD and blu-ray so where to from here? A few incremental improvements? The opposition are catching up so something new is needed.

To me, it's simple. Keep refining the disc players but add products to the Oppo lineup rather than have all your eggs in the disc-player basket.

Oppo needs a preamp-processor.

Include several digital (including asynchronous USB) and analog inputs.
Focus on quality and performance. There are few processors on the market under $3k that sound much good.

Also a standalone DAC would be nice.
How about an amplifier?
post #357 of 908
I would love to see oppo add a CC built-in decoder with an enable/disable CC in the menu list. This feature is useful for hearing impaired people such as myself. I have come across a number of DVD's and Blu-rays that have CC imbedded in the video but no subtitles included on the disc. Not all tv's have a built-in CC decoder such as my Pioneer Kuro 4280 model. So when I watch tv from my bell expressvu, in order to watch a tv show with CC, I enable CC on my expressvu receiver. I would like to see such a similar feature (like what my expressvu reciever can do for CC) on future oppo blu-ray players.

Oh and I also would like to see oppo automatically display the home menu if you turn on the player and there is no disc in the tray. I hate it when I start up the player and there is no disc in the tray, it just sits there on the black screen with the oppo logo in the middle. It should automatically go to the home menu instead of doing that!
post #358 of 908
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Originally Posted by J-Dogg View Post

I would love to see oppo add a CC built-in decoder with an enable/disable CC in the menu list.

I have often wanted that as well. The subtitles exist but there is no way to get at them. It's definitely a legacy feature (that was not handled by the industry very well when HDMI came in) but OPPO has been strong in legacy support.

That said, there is no reason to think such a feature is forthcoming. You should communicate your needs to OPPO directly. They do listen.

Recently I found that a tool like HandBrake will convert CC to SRT subtitles in media file containers that the player supports. That's a lot of work if you are not already doing it, though.

-Bill
post #359 of 908
Bill,

Thank you for the support of wanting CC support in their players too. I took up your advice of contacting oppo and letting them I would like to see this feature in future players and if it can even be done in current players via a firmware update.

Thank you for letting me know about this handbrake tool but unfortunately I will skip trying that. Too much work and I don't have all the time in the world to do this conversion to a good number of discs, so if I have to, I can make do without CC.
post #360 of 908
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I'll admit, I'm holding off on buying my whole new bedroom environment until the next Oppo comes out. I need a cabinet, TV and BR player.

I'll have to get the cabinet built as I can't find anything that is nearly deep enough for my amp. I'd have to have the back removed and the cabinet sitting about 8" from the wall with standard cabinets. I'd rather have it much closer to the wall. I'll probably just get a VT50 until AMOLED comes down in price and because better tested.
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