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post #601 of 905
[quote name="boe" url="/t/1365649/You must have a very different version of the 103 than I have.[/quote]

I'm referring to the BDP-105. It has analog 7.1 outputs as well as a separate dedicated stereo output (both balanced and unbalanced). It has an HDMI input on the front and the back, as well as coaxial, optical and USB digital inputs. Does it have as many digital audio and video inputs as a stand alone A/V processor? No, but it has enough for people with a modest system, and there are plenty of affordable HDMI and digital audio switchboxes.
post #602 of 905
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[quote name="boe" url="/t/1365649/You must have a very different version of the 103 than I have.

I'm referring to the BDP-105. It has analog 7.1 outputs as well as a separate dedicated stereo output (both balanced and unbalanced). It has an HDMI input on the front and the back, as well as coaxial, optical and USB digital inputs. Does it have as many digital audio and video inputs as a stand alone A/V processor? No, but it has enough for people with a modest system, and there are plenty of affordable HDMI and digital audio switchboxes.[/quote]

I guess I don't think of people with $1000 BR players going for modest systems. But if you want a $2000 BR player with all the features you'd need to make it a decent prepro I suppose I wouldn't want you to be denied that option. I'll be happy with the $500 103 model and hope they come out with a great prepro separate so I can upgrade each component when I feel it is time rather than replacing everything at the same time.
post #603 of 905
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You must have a very different version of the 103 than I have. I'm having a very difficult time finding ANY XLR outputs on my 103.
XLR outputs aren't an absolute requirement for everyone on a preamp, nor did the other poster make any claims that the 103 has them.
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If you squint you might be able to make out some slight differences in the outputs of each.
In all honesty how many of the inputs do you actually use on your Denon AVP? On mine, I'm using all the HDMI inputs, the 7.1 input (for testing the analog outputs on my Oppo BDP-105) and a stereo analog input for my phono preamp. That last one would be a sticking point for me in using the current Oppo's as a preamp replacement, but for a relatively simple system with only a few (digital) sources, quite a few people could theoretically get by without a dedicated surround processor.
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This is the volume control button on my Oppo
Did you check the remote that came your Oppo? There are volume up/down and mute buttons on it.
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My preamp also has a switched output to allow me to control my amp power through my power conditioner.
One could use the USB ports on the Oppo for that if running it in energy efficient mode.
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The Denon has built in audyssey - the upgrade on that was VERY exensive for licensing so while there is a mark up, I'm sure Oppo would also mark up their Audyssey licensing so I'd like to limit the financial impact by paying for it on the item I upgrade the least frequently.
The Denon AVP upgrade included more than just the new version of Audyssey.
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I'm all for a cheaper Preamp - trust me! I tried the Onkyo and wasted about $1000 on utter crap. The Denon is great but very expensive. I hope Oppo makes a GREAT prepro soon with HDMI 2.0 but I really don't want a $1500 BR player. I'd rather get a $500 BR player and a $1000 prepro.
While I don't agree with the tone of your post as it's over the board in sarcasm, I too am not a fan of turning a Bluray player into a full blown surround processor as I'd also prefer to keep the 2 boxes separate.
post #604 of 905
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XLR outputs aren't an absolute requirement for everyone on a preamp, nor did the other poster make any claims that the 103 has them.
In all honesty how many of the inputs do you actually use on your Denon AVP? On mine, I'm using all the HDMI inputs, the 7.1 input (for testing the analog outputs on my Oppo BDP-105) and a stereo analog input for my phono preamp. That last one would be a sticking point for me in using the current Oppo's as a preamp replacement, but for a relatively simple system with only a few (digital) sources, quite a few people could theoretically get by without a dedicated surround processor.
Did you check the remote that came your Oppo? There are volume up/down and mute buttons on it.
One could use the USB ports on the Oppo for that if running it in energy efficient mode.
The Denon AVP upgrade included more than just the new version of Audyssey.
While I don't agree with the tone of your post as it's over the board in sarcasm, I too am not a fan of turning a Bluray player into a full blown surround processor as I'd also prefer to keep the 2 boxes separate.


I challenged his assentation in his second post that the Oppo had enough outputs on it after I already stated I didn't think it had enough - that is the only place in my post you'll find sarcasm which was tongue in cheek and not meant to be belittling.

As for how many inputs do I want -
One input for the TV
One input for the BR player (which I admit wouldn't be necessary for someone with an all in one - but I wouldn't want one so I'd still need it).
One input for the HTPC
One input for the phonograph
One input for the gaming console

I have seen the remote thanks - frequently when I'm putting in a BR or walking to the kitchen or to get my phone, I will use the large volume control on my device itself as the remote isn't always handy.

One could use the USB on the Oppo for power provided your power conditioner has usb input for power control - most do not that I've looked at over the years. Although I admit most of the ones I've looked at were Monster and Belkin - the two largest power conditioning companies for HT products that seem ubiquitous in most common HT locations and even some of the more esoteric ones.

Yes, the Denon upgrade did include more than just the new version of Audyssey.

Again I didn't think my post had that much sarcasm, you are welcome to believe what you will. And once you get over the kidding I gave them at the beginning, you'll also be able to read where I stated I wasn't against him having a choice of an all in one box - just that it wouldn't be my ideal solution.
Edited by boe - 8/6/13 at 3:37pm
post #605 of 905
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As for how many inputs do I want -
One input for the TV
One input for the BR player
One input for the HTPC
One input for the phonograph
One input for the gaming console
Like I said, I've got a complex system too (I've actually got more sources than you listed) and using the Oppo (as-is) as a preamp replacement isn't an option for me. So we agree on that point and you don't need to convince me otherwise.

But if the Oppo has enough outputs for HIS needs, then what's the problem with that? If it's got enough inputs for HIS needs, what's the problem with that? He's not suggesting that YOU have to use it as a replacement for your Denon AVP.
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One could use the USB on the Oppo for power provided your power conditioner has usb input for power control - most do not. If you think I'm just making it up - look at Monster and Belkin - the two largest power conditioning companies for HT products and look at their lines up until recently, most do not have that function.
It's simple enough to build an adapter cable that extracts the power feed from the USB cable and converts it to a 5VDC 1/8" jack or bare wires. Once that is done, it can be used as a trigger for many amps and/or power conditioners. If 12VDC is needed, there are ways to get there, though it takes more effort. The point is that, again, this may be a solution that satisfies the need for some people and nobody is forcing you to go down that path.

When dolstein referred to a modest system, there are a few ways to interpret that. One is that he's got an inexpensive system, the other is that he only has a few devices he needs to hook up. I believe he meant that latter, in which case the Oppo BDP-105 is probably extremely close to meeting his needs and if it had room correction built in it would probably be perfect for his needs.
post #606 of 905
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Like I said, I've got a complex system too (I've actually got more sources than you listed) and using the Oppo (as-is) as a preamp replacement isn't an option for me. So we agree on that point and you don't need to convince me otherwise.

But if the Oppo has enough outputs for HIS needs, then what's the problem with that? If it's got enough inputs for HIS needs, what's the problem with that? He's not suggesting that YOU have to use it as a replacement for your Denon AVP.
It's simple enough to build an adapter cable that extracts the power feed from the USB cable and converts it to a 5VDC 1/8" jack or bare wires. Once that is done, it can be used as a trigger for many amps and/or power conditioners. If 12VDC is needed, there are ways to get there, though it takes more effort. The point is that, again, this may be a solution that satisfies the need for some people and nobody is forcing you to go down that path.

When dolstein referred to a modest system, there are a few ways to interpret that. One is that he's got an inexpensive system, the other is that he only has a few devices he needs to hook up. I believe he meant that latter, in which case the Oppo BDP-105 is probably extremely close to meeting his needs and if it had room correction built in it would probably be perfect for his needs.

Again - if it works for his needs, as I said above " But if you want a $2000 BR player with all the features you'd need to make it a decent prepro I suppose I wouldn't want you to be denied that option." I'm not sure why you think I'm telling him he shouldn't be allowed to have what he wants - I think I made my point pretty clear on this already. I don't say anyone who doesn't use the same browser or OS or car I use is wrong - choice is good but I do believe there are some choices that give you more bang for the buck.

I do believe though even for his "modest" needs, he'd be financially better off with separates when it comes time to upgrade either because of 200GB optical disks, a new hdmi standard or some new as yet unknown media device or amp.

I have my power conditioner so I'm not worried about being forced - I'm all set but it is good to know there are usb converters.

I may be misinterpreting when reading between the lines in your response but I have no beef with anyone on this board. I want more choices, not less, so I don't discourage people from having different wants but I do encourage people to think long term to save money. He is entitled to his opinion but I didn't find any of his responses to be contentious. Dolstein, if you found my ribbing mean spirited, I apologize it was not meant to be harsh. But since you haven't replied I'm hoping you took it in good fun.
Edited by boe - 8/6/13 at 6:10pm
post #607 of 905
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Originally Posted by boe View Post

When dolstein referred to a modest system, there are a few ways to interpret that. One is that he's got an inexpensive system, the other is that he only has a few devices he needs to hook up. I believe he meant that latter, in which case the Oppo BDP-105 is probably extremely close to meeting his needs and if it had room correction built in it would probably be perfect for his needs.

Yes, that's exactly what I meant. I'd only need a processor to decode blu-ray and DVD soundtracks and TV/cable. The. Oppo BD-105 already decodes all the optical disc formats, and as noted has two HDMI inputs. If I needed more, I could get an HDMI switchbox for much less than an A/V processor costs. The only reason I'd need for getting a separate processor is for the room EQ functions.
post #608 of 905
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Again - if it works for his needs, as I said above " But if you want a $2000 BR player with all the features you'd need to make it a decent prepro I suppose I wouldn't want you to be denied that option." I'm not sure why you think I'm telling him he shouldn't be allowed to have what he wants - I think I made my point pretty clear on this already. I don't say anyone who doesn't use the same browser or OS or car I use is wrong - choice is good but I do believe there are some choices that give you more bang for the buck..
There's already been BD player/amps or AVR's with a BD player. Maybe your willing to spend $2000 on a ridiculous complex source to use with a amp, but most people want something a lot more modest. If vendor A makes a good BD player and vendor B makes a good AVR, and all this functionality is reasonable to the consumer with two boxes then their happy. Arguing about putting everything into one box has a lot of negatives, number one being that it gets obsoleted the quickest. wink.gif

Now think up some new stuff instead of HDMI inputs for a phonograph! smile.gif
post #609 of 905
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post #610 of 905
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Now think up some new stuff instead of HDMI inputs for a phonograph! smile.gif

How about teaming up with conceiva and making a slightly modified mezzmo that is optimized for the Oppo?
post #611 of 905
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This will be an important feature for my next media player - http://www.engadget.com/2013/09/04/hdmi-2-0-official-4k-60fps-32-channel-audio/ I'm VERY anxious for 4K.
post #612 of 905
It would be great if the next Oppo is hdmi 2.0 with at least 3 hdmi inputs. 4 hdmi inputs would be perfect. Also, I hope 4k blu ray support can be updated through firmware. It should also be 9.2, or even 11.2. Those minor tweaks should be a good start
post #613 of 905
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It would be great if the next Oppo is hdmi 2.0 with at least 3 hdmi inputs. 4 hdmi inputs would be perfect. Also, I hope 4k blu ray support can be updated through firmware. It should also be 9.2, or even 11.2. Those minor tweaks should be a good start

Yes, also incorporate DIRAC as I mentioned earlier:)
post #614 of 905
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Yes, also incorporate DIRAC as I mentioned earlier:)

Hello,

Sorry for my ignorance but I haven't come across dirac yet. Do MKVs or MPGs have dirac or is it unique to a particular file type? As far as I know, I haven't downloaded anything with dirac yet.
post #615 of 905
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Hello,

Sorry for my ignorance but I haven't come across dirac yet. Do MKVs or MPGs have dirac or is it unique to a particular file type? As far as I know, I haven't downloaded anything with dirac yet.
IIRC, he's talking about DIRAC room correction.
post #616 of 905
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IIRC, he's talking about DIRAC room correction.

Thanks for helping me with my cluelessness smile.gif Sure, I hope Oppo puts dirac room correction on their next prepro.
post #617 of 905
Upsampling to 32bit, 192KHz would be grerat. If the DAC in OPPO is a SABER 32bit, 192KHZ, why not add an upsampling option for poeple who'd like it.

Additional HDMI connections: Even three input connections would be better than two.

Room Correction software: Either Audyssey (prefered) or parametric.
post #618 of 905
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I realize it is probably over a year away so there is plenty of time for Oppo to put plenty of new bells and whistles in their next player. I don't know how far away 4k discs are but I can always hope they come out about the same time as Oppo has their next player and the player will play them.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/09/12/singulus-tests-100gb-4k-ready-blu-ray-discs/
post #619 of 905
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Thanks for helping me with my cluelessness smile.gif Sure, I hope Oppo puts dirac room correction on their next prepro.

The have a deal with DIRAC
post #620 of 905
GAPLESS PLAYBACK
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GAPLESSPLAYBACK

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post #623 of 905
Here is what I want in the BDP-115

Audio

- Instead of splitting the channels of the stereo outputs between the balanced XLR, single ended and headphone output, return to the 4 DACs per channel config as in the bdp-95. This gives higher SNR for stereo.

- Loose the headphone AMP, this is not the product for that.

- Add support for Multichannel PCM and DSD through the USB Audio input

- Add support for higher sampling rates of PCM and DSD through USB input. - PCM up to 384KHz and at least DSD128, could go up to DSD256

- As a Network Digital Media Renderer, add support for DSD. You can use protocol DoP-E (DoP over ethernet)

Video

- HDMI 2.0
- Could use an extra HDMI input
post #624 of 905
What a shock it would be ; though the chances are slim ; to see an auro 3d decoder in the next generation oppo smile.gif As it is I can't play the trondheime solistene 2l auro disc . Neo x decoder for other discs [ untouchables 2 etc ] as well maybe ?

http://www.datasatdigital.com/consumer/info-center/news/2013/datasat-auro-3d-rs20i.php
Edited by cwt - 9/28/13 at 9:03am
post #625 of 905
Yes the Auro 3D would be fabulous smile.gif
post #626 of 905
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Yes the Auro 3D would be fabulous smile.gif
I don't think my 'better half' is going to let me put a speaker in the ceiling eek.gif
post #627 of 905
A machine that doesn't have 10,000 firmware updates, so that I can finally buy one.
post #628 of 905
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A machine that doesn't have 10,000 firmware updates, so that I can finally buy one.

all blu ray players need firmware updates. oppo does a better job of fixing things then other companies.. do that is a good thing.

Jacob
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A machine that doesn't have 10,000 firmware updates, so that I can finally buy one.

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all blu ray players need firmware updates. oppo does a better job of fixing things then other companies.. do that is a good thing.

Jacob

+1

Oppo just don't fix things they continue to improve and add features to their players over their life cycle. Most other companies would have been on their next model given all the improvements Oppo has made to the BDP-103/105.cool.gif
Edited by bakerwi - 10/1/13 at 5:37pm
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OPPO has the best customer service in the business along with Classé Audio from my experience

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