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post #1 of 11
10/9/11 at 10:55am
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I currently have an older pb10-nsd with a bash amp. I have an opportunity to get a new pb12-nsd with the sledge amp.

Would the pb12-nsd be a significant upgrade over the older pb12-nsd? The room is about 7.5h x 12w x 18l. It's not a very big room and this is why I'm notthe pb12-nsd would be an significant improvement.

Any info would be appreciated.

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post #2 of 11
10/9/11 at 10:59am
Is the room sealed and what do you feel you are missing with the pb10?
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post #3 of 11
10/9/11 at 2:00pm
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Originally Posted by audit13 View Post

I currently have an older pb10-nsd with a bash amp. I have an opportunity to get a new pb12-nsd with the sledge amp.

Would the pb12-nsd be a significant upgrade over the older pb12-nsd? The room is about 7.5h x 12w x 18l. It's not a very big room and this is why I'm notthe pb12-nsd would be an significant improvement.

Any info would be appreciated.

Thanks

From these tests, the PB12 will give you a little more output, lower extension and slightly less distortion. How much of an audible difference will depend on your listening habits. I know this is a test of the older PB12 with the bash amp, but I believe SVS has said the new PB12 will have very similar performance.

http://www.hometheatershack.com/foru...2-nsd-2-a.html

http://www.hometheatershack.com/foru...-2nd-unit.html





-Mike
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post #4 of 11
10/9/11 at 4:52pm
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Originally Posted by audit13 View Post

I currently have an older pb10-nsd with a bash amp. I have an opportunity to get a new pb12-nsd with the sledge amp.

Would the pb12-nsd be a significant upgrade over the older pb12-nsd? The room is about 7.5h x 12w x 18l. It's not a very big room and this is why I'm notthe pb12-nsd would be an significant improvement.

Any info would be appreciated.

Thanks

I called SVS with a similar question as I also own the PB10. The sales rep told me that I would not hear too much of a difference. His recommendation would be to add a second sub, not sell my 10 ans replace it with the 12.
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post #5 of 11
10/9/11 at 5:44pm
I have always felt the PB10's driver was more closely related to the Plus drivers than the ISD/NSD drivers. That made the PB10 an overachiever in the NSD line.

I get the impression that the new generation of 12" NSD subs have put some distance between them and the last version of the PB10.

I still wonder why SVS discontinued the PB10. I know of several AVS members that started with the PB10, wanted more and moved up to the Plus line. So it wasn't just an entry level sub, it was also an inexpensive introduction to the rest of the SVS products.
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post #6 of 11
10/9/11 at 7:02pm
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Originally Posted by ironhead1230 View Post

From these tests, the PB12 will give you a little more output, lower extension and slightly less distortion. How much of an audible difference will depend on your listening habits. I know this is a test of the older PB12 with the bash amp, but I believe SVS has said the new PB12 will have very similar performance.
-Mike

Thanks for the link. I'm not sure that there would be a significant difference. I assumed there would be a difference of some sort due to a combined change in the size of the enclosure, type of amp, and a new driver.

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Originally Posted by Ericthemidget View Post

I called SVS with a similar question as I also own the PB10. The sales rep told me that I would not hear too much of a difference. His recommendation would be to add a second sub, not sell my 10 ans replace it with the 12.

I would consider adding a second PB10 but there are no longer made

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I have always felt the PB10's driver was more closely related to the Plus drivers than the ISD/NSD drivers. That made the PB10 an overachiever in the NSD line.

I get the impression that the new generation of 12" NSD subs have put some distance between them and the last version of the PB10.

I still wonder why SVS discontinued the PB10. I know of several AVS members that started with the PB10, wanted more and moved up to the Plus line. So it wasn't just an entry level sub, it was also an inexpensive introduction to the rest of the SVS products.

I'm not sure why they discontinued the PB10. Maybe it cost too much to produce? Not sure.


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Originally Posted by brian6751 View Post

Is the room sealed and what do you feel you are missing with the pb10?

The room is not a sealed room as the stairs lead into the room. There are also 2 doors on one side of the room (one for the laundry room, one for the utility room).

I have watched movies, such as Transformers 3, at a friend's place and you can really feel the bass. In my room, I can also feel the bass too, but not on the same level as at my friend's place. He has a 13: SVS Plus sub which I cannot afford to get at the moment.
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post #7 of 11
10/10/11 at 7:49am
I meant add the 12" and calibrate the trim to match your 10". That's what I am doing and what SVS recommended.





[quote=audit13;21059521]Thanks for the link. I'm not sure that there would be a significant difference. I assumed there would be a difference of some sort due to a combined change in the size of the enclosure, type of amp, and a new driver.



I would consider adding a second PB10 but there are no longer made



I'm not sure why they discontinued the PB10. Maybe it cost too much to produce? Not sure.
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post #8 of 11
10/10/11 at 10:52am
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I meant add the 12" and calibrate the trim to match your 10". That's what I am doing and what SVS recommended.

My avr only has 1 sub out, this is why I never thought about adding a 12" to my 10". Would the 10" and 12" be too much for the room?
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post #9 of 11
10/10/11 at 11:54am
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My avr only has 1 sub out, this is why I never thought about adding a 12" to my 10". Would the 10" and 12" be too much for the room?

You would use a Y-Splitter, and then use pink noise to volume match each one.

Plug one sub in, sit at your main location with your sound meter, run the pink noise.

Plug the other sub in, sit at your main location, run the pink noise and adjust the sub's gain on the back to match the DB of the first sub.
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post #10 of 11
10/10/11 at 6:25pm
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Originally Posted by Ericthemidget View Post

You would use a Y-Splitter, and then use pink noise to volume match each one.

Plug one sub in, sit at your main location with your sound meter, run the pink noise.

Plug the other sub in, sit at your main location, run the pink noise and adjust the sub's gain on the back to match the DB of the first sub.

Oh, I see. I may just save my pennies for Christmas and go for something like a sb13-plus, assuming I save enough pennies.
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post #11 of 11
10/10/11 at 10:24pm
Can someone please let me know what you mean by pink noise?
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