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post #31 of 94
Anyway who are you to doubt me? anyway I am happy with the release and I think most
people will be. I am a nitpicker and my complaint was extremely minor and 99+% of people will not notice it.
post #32 of 94
I don't like to comment on a release just based on frame grabs before I've actually seen it for myself but.... I will anyway.

Quite honestly, I knew this release was going to get hammered for some dodgy looking shots from some people who likely didn't understand that's the way the original film looked during it's theatrical release no matter how good or bad the transfer would be.

Looking at the screen caps, it looks pretty much what I was expecting under a best case scenario. Mainly that the scenes without any optical effects would feature solid, stable color, not over or under saturated and basically true to a quality source print. I knew the shots featuring a lot of effects work, opticals and so on would look pretty grainy and rough. The screen grab of the attack of the giant Phorohocas(sp?) bird is a perfect example. The grain in that shot looks pretty nasty and would lead someone with an untrained eye to think it was due to a crappy source and/or transfer, maybe even an upscaled old dvd transfer. It's not. That's all due to the technical limitations Harryhausen had at the beginning of the 60's.

If the transfer is on the same level or exceeds the Blu-ray release of Jason and the Argonauts, which it appears to be, I'll be a happy camper.

T.B.
post #33 of 94
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Originally Posted by haineshisway View Post

Please let us all know how you have such expertise about the grain structure of this film and with encoding. I'm sure many of us a genuinely curious - there are an awful lot of "experts" out there who don't seem to be doing this for a living. Somehow, I trust Grover Crisp and the authoring house, 1K Studios, more than someone who doesn't do this for a living. Having used 1K Studios as an authoring facility, they are, I'm afraid to tell you, as good as it gets - they do great work.

Universal's technicians also do it for a living the home video industry seems riddled with incompetents unfortunately.

Screencaps look rather nice. Wish I could rent TT releases, since this isn't a film I much care to buy
post #34 of 94
Yes this is better than most studios would have done with it and with all of the opticals
it really looks good for what it is as I said.
post #35 of 94
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As has been stated here and ignored by you, this transfer is licensed from Sony - Sony will not license ANYTHING that is, according to Grover Crisp, ready for Blu-ray. There are no DVD transfers being licensed to anyone - they make brand new transfers using the latest technology.

Do you happen to know if that applies to the titles Image has licensed from Sony also?

A couple of those seem to be lacking to a degree or another so I wondered if that was due to the elements Sony is supplying Image or if that is something lacking on Image' end (eg. 'The Medallion' being in the wrong aspect ratio, 2.0 down mixed audio track on something like 'To Die For', omitting extras for some releases - though that might come from Sony since they didn't allow TT extras for these releases either - like 'Jawbreakers', 'Darkness Falls', 'About Last Night...', etc.)
post #36 of 94
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

Over all, well done. I think people need to be aware of the look of the source when judging this.

-Bill

Thanks, Bill. Based on your observations I will be picking up this title. Just watched the DVD last night and I know the Blu-ray has got to look better.

Thanks also to Penton-man. I have always valued your opinion. And to haineshisway for your insight.
post #37 of 94
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Originally Posted by sub24ox7 View Post

Anyway who are you to doubt me? anyway I am happy with the release and I think most
people will be. I am a nitpicker and my complaint was extremely minor and 99+% of people will not notice it.

It's not a question of doubting - I simply asked what makes you an expert on the grain structure of Mysterious Island, so that you make a post where you say you could have authored the disc better. I think it's a reasonable question, don't you? And that brings up your nitpicker comment - my comment is, why? Why nitpick. It's not just you, it's people all over these various boards. It just makes everything seem negative - there is no joy in Mudville and there should be joy. It makes it a tough slog for those who are doing good work to constantly read these picked nits. I guess I just understand the necessity of it or the point of it, especially as you seem to like the disc.
post #38 of 94
Has anyone else besides Vonbeck had any playback issues with the disc? My copy (along with a copy of The Egyptian) is on the way in the mail.
post #39 of 94
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Originally Posted by haineshisway View Post

You know, you could be called a lot worse than cynical for making suppositions which you clearly know nothing about in terms of this release. But, I shall refrain. The Mysterious Island Blu, which I saw an advance copy of three weeks ago, is splendid. No freezing or jumping on my player, but it is dual layered and that does happen occasionally with dual layered discs. As has been stated here and ignored by you, this transfer is licensed from Sony - Sony will not license ANYTHING that is, according to Grover Crisp, not ready for Blu-ray. There are no DVD transfers being licensed to anyone - they make brand new transfers using the latest technology. The word "restored" and or "restoration" has been rendered meaningless by people on these boards and by the studios themselves. If the negative is in good shape, there is no restoration - just a good transfer will do the trick, and Sony does good transfers.

As to someone's pontification that the image is uneven, of course it's uneven - half the film is multi-pass opticals and uneven is standard issue for that - the production non-optical photography looks just as it should - sharp and beautiful. Anytime an optical occurs, especially one with more than one optical element, will of course have a degraded, less sharp, and grainer look.

I never stated I had any knowledge of the particulars for this release. I am cynical about the entire content industry. I was saying in general to "follow the money" when you try to understand the motivations and actions of the industry.

I hope the release is in fact splendind and for sure I am not an extremist like some here who get all uptight about a single frame in a BD release. Sometimes I am just happy the studios decided to even release a title - "Damnation Alley" is a perfect example. Been waiting for years for a DVD release and had all but written it off and low and behold they released it on BD & DVD earlier this year. Perfect PQ/AQ no, but much, much, much better than the 4x3 crummy VHS transfer I had a copy of and what was offered on Amazon which was not much better than VHS quality and I actually paid for it. So I ordered 2 copies of bot the DVD & BD to give the studios an incentive to continue releasing obscure titles.......
post #40 of 94
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Originally Posted by Penton-Man View Post

In case you are local, let me know ASAP if you're interested (via PM at Blu-ray.com) and I can leave tix for you and one guest at the Will Call window for tomorrow afternoon - http://www.americancinemathequecalen...rious-island-0

I think that upon viewing this motion picture in digital projection in an unforgiving fashion vis-a-vie on a really BIG screen and listening to the panel discussion following the presentation for some background on the subject, your cynicism will be alleviated.

Thank you for the offer. I would love to attand but I live in Michigan and therefore I unfortunately cannot make it to the theater showing. Very generous of you to offer though.
post #41 of 94
Got my copy today in the mail (along with the newly released soundtrack for "20,000 Leagues Under The Sea").

First impressions are almost overwhelmingly positive. The Blu-ray transfer absolutely blows away the old washed out color, scratchy looking print and transfer from the dvd release. I did have some concerns watching the first 15 minutes or so through the balloon crash on the island. It really seemed like the contrast was a bit too boosted and the colors saturated to an unnecessary degree. The downside was this made matte lines behind the balloon and the ropes and the actors stand out like never before and there seemed to be some mild black crush.

But the first daylight scene on the island assuaged any fears this was a over baked transfer. The scenes of the castaways searching the beach for the missing Captain and eating "giant oysters" looked razor sharp, natural and colorful without being over saturated. As expected, the more opticals in a shot, the rougher it looks. Aside from the nighttime balloon-in-flight sequence, I think the transfer looks fabulous considering the source.

The audio tracks are also excellent. Although there isn't a dramatic difference between the mono and 5.1 mix, it's really nothing to complain about. I also highly appreciate the inclusion of the Bernard Herrmann score on an isolated track although it should be said there are a few minor instances where there's foley sound effects mixed in with the music such as when the castaways are chopping down trees.

One thing I would recommend for future releases is the ability to switch *all* audio tracks on the fly - while the viewer can switch between the 5.1 and Mono audio tracks using, say their player's remote/audio button, you do not have the option to switch to the score-only track unless you go back to the main menu.

I would also commend the fact that this is one of the fastest loading Blu-ray discs going from Menu to Movie I have in my collection.

It would be a dream come true if Twilight Time got a hold of the Hammer horror films that Sony has under their umbrella and gave them similar treatments that their so-far released projects have received. From what I understand, Sony has already done all the heavy lifting as far as HD transfers (and their Hammer dvd releases have all been outstanding, just limited by dvd encoding and standard def video), they likely don't see a market for .

BTW, I did not notice any skips or audio dropouts through the entire film.

T.B.
post #42 of 94
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...(along with the newly released soundtrack for "20,000 Leagues Under The Sea")

Say what?

Nada @ Amazon. Where can I find it?
post #43 of 94
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Originally Posted by RUR View Post

Say what?

Nada @ Amazon. Where can I find it?

You can order it here:
(type in the movie title to search)

http://www.arksquare.net/index_main.html

or here:

http://www.screenarchives.com/title_...UNDER-THE-SEA/

I have yet to see it on Amazon or even being resold on eBay.

I highly recommend this release.

T.B.
post #44 of 94
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Originally Posted by Partyslammer View Post

You can order it here:
(type in the movie title to search)

http://www.arksquare.net/index_main.html

or here:

http://www.screenarchives.com/title_...UNDER-THE-SEA/

I have yet to see it on Amazon or even being resold on eBay.

I highly recommend this release.

T.B.

Or from the label that released it, Intrada.

http://store.intrada.com/s.nl/it.A/id.7230/.f
post #45 of 94
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Got my copy today in the mail.

First impressions are almost overwhelmingly positive. The Blu-ray transfer absolutely blows away the old washed out color, scratchy looking print and transfer from the dvd release.

Great review, Partyslammer (which I only partially quoted. I mean, dontcha just hate it when someone quotes a somewhat lengthy review and just adds, "Thanks," at the end?). Now I'm really looking forward to getting my copy!
post #46 of 94
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You can order it here:...

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Originally Posted by Neil S. Bulk View Post

Or from the label that released it, Intrada.

Thank-you both! I need to get with the program on these specialty sources.
post #47 of 94
OK, one thing I noticed when I watched it again late last night (Yes, I've already watched the movie twice in one day) is that there's a noticeable and very brief glitch in the audio at the point the hanging skeleton falls to the floor of the "Granite House" cave when the Captain first explores it.

Just as the skeleton crashes to the floor, the audio track kind of "hiccups" and jumps up in volume for a second or so. Nothing earth-shaking and it's a "blink and you'll miss it" kind of issue. It doesn't appear to be a missing frame or two which I initially thought it might be as the quick edit between the skeleton landing on the ground and the caption bending over to inspect it is present in all home video versions I've seen. This "glitch" is only present on the 5.1 track, not the Mono track.

I checked my old dvd copy and it is not present on that version, nor on the old Pioneer Special Edition laserdisc.
post #48 of 94
Just received mine today. Hoping to view some tonight. I feel like a kid again.
post #49 of 94
I wished they would come out with First Men in The Moon in BD.I loved that movie.
post #50 of 94
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I wished they would come out with First Men in The Moon in BD.I loved that movie.

The fact that is also a Sony TriStar release bodes well for it. However, "Valley of Gwangi" and "The Beast From 20,000 fathoms" are both Warner Bros titles so I have strong doubts those two will get the same kind of care the Harryhausen Sony titles have received.
post #51 of 94
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Originally Posted by buddahead View Post

I wished they would come out with First Men in The Moon in BD.I loved that movie.

Last year Sony asked what we would like as the next Harryhausen film and the winner was, "Mysterious Island!"

Maybe they'll do it again and we'll get, "Valley of Gwangi!!!"
post #52 of 94
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Originally Posted by inspector View Post

Last year Sony asked what we would like as the next Harryhausen film and the winner was, "Mysterious Island!"

Maybe they'll do it again and we'll get, "Valley of Gwangi!!!"

That would be cool but I'd prefer First Men In The Moon, an old favorite for it's higher production value, cool story and vibe.
Tied for that perhaps: Mighty Joe Young.
post #53 of 94
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Originally Posted by R Harkness View Post

That would be cool but I'd prefer First Men In The Moon, an old favorite for it's higher production value, cool story and vibe.
Tied for that perhaps: Mighty Joe Young.

WB did it a while back on SD...who knows when they'll ...EVER...visit it again???
post #54 of 94
I have a capsule review and thumbnails here.

-Bill
post #55 of 94
Valley of Gwangi was great also for its effects.My wife got me a Box Set of his films for xmas a few years back.It had Earth vs Flying Saucers'20 millions to earth' First men in the moon'and M island.Great set and for me the video is fine.
post #56 of 94
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

I have a capsule review and thumbnails here.

-Bill

Love the thumbnails, Bill. Thanks.

My copy shipped yesterday. And now...the...waiting...until...it...arrives.
post #57 of 94
I just ordered this, most $$$ I have ever spent on a movie since the days of LD.
post #58 of 94
I just watched Mysterious Island...and what an incredible upgrade from the inferior DVD version that I own. Great job, Twilight Time!

What struck me the most, having watched my DVD on numerous occasions, was how the framing composition opened up with the proper 1:66 aspect ratio (DVD was 1:85, I believe). There is a sense of vertical space that was not present on the DVD. I didn't expect the AR to have such an impact on the look of the film, but it does.

Also, the 5.1 DTSHD-MA track really sounds great. Not only does it bring out the Herrmann score in ways that I've never heard before, but there is some actual ambience going on in the rear speakers, especially when they're in the balloon (the wind rushing by), or on the beach (the sound of waves lapping on the sand). It's subtle, but adds more immersion to the film. And for you purists, there's always the original mono track.

The print is also very clean. Yes, there are some shots that don't fare as well as others, for various reasons - as mentioned in previously posted reviews, but I would venture to say around 90 to 95% of the film looks really fantastic.

Finally, I can watch Mysterious Island with a sense that it hasn't looked this good since its premiere in 1961 (and I doubt that it ever sounded this good).
post #59 of 94
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I just ordered this, most $$$ I have ever spent on a movie since the days of LD.

Yeah, the pricing on this title is high. I was definitely hesitant about plunking down $40, especially before reading some reviews. But now, having seen it myself, and factoring in the personal nostalgia surrounding this film (thanks, dad, for opening my mind to the world of sci-fi/fantasy/adventure those many years ago), it was money well spent.

And considering I forked out around $30 for a Warner Archive DVD of Captain Nemo and the Underwater City (that damn nostalgia, again!), how I could I resist Mysterious Island on Blu?
post #60 of 94
Count me as another person having playback issues with a Twilight Time disc.

I finally got my Egyptian and Mysterious Island blus in the mail. The Egyptian would not play for me last evening. Upgraded my Playstation3 firmware today and was able to get the disc to play but around the 50 minute mark it began freezing/skipping ahead several seconds. It was much more than a brief single pause at the (potential) layer change but instead began happening repeatedly. I have never before had playback issues with a BluRay in my machine and have contacted Screen Archives about a replacement.

Mysterious Island works on first glance... will have to see about the playback abilities of that one as well. Might attempt watching it in a few minutes here.
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