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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

Damn, this unit might be the ticket for the HP users! If I am reading this right, I could mount this projector as far back as ~17' for a 96" diag 1.78 image......is this right? Still trying to figure out the lens shift range.......

So you're like me! You don't trust all the reviews by reviewers and end users alike about all the ghost-free images they're seeing with the new LCD and LCoS 3D projectors.

When I scan the Sony 95 thread there's all sorts of comments about just how bad the ghosting was with the Sony 90 -- never heard it was this bad (except from Conan48) until the new model came out. The same goes for all the other 3D projectors from last year. Only you and Conan48 seemed to tell it like it was, but you were voices in the wilderness so it was hard to know just how much value to put on your observations. No question now! You or Conan48 buy a new projector and I'll pay close attention to what you guys say about it.

When next year's (2013) models come out I suspect that's when we'll get the real truth about this year's models. Call me cynical or what?
post #62 of 499
Deja - I get where you are coming from and I don't disagree if you are a die hard for complete ghost free 3D viewing.

I've had 4 3D projectors and one of these 3D DLP's is likely #5 if the price is right on the W7000. I can tell you that Sony made a nice improvement with their 2nd gen LCOS (strictly discussing 3D bluray at this point) and combined with the Monster Vision glasses, a good majority of my 3D bluray collection appears ghost free. You can see the tuning I've done on the MV3D's in my signature to eliminate the ghosting that was evident with the Sony glasses.

On my 142" screen, the Sony is clearly sharper and the color / contrast is better than the Acer 5360. Having said that, no it's not perfect, but a major improvement over the 1st gen JVC's.

I understand the frustration of people saying it's ghost free, when if you or I saw it, would be pointing out the ghosting left and right. It's even worse on my HP screen since it's so bright, so if it's ghosting, my eyes will be drawn to it.

personally, I have no problem running 2-3 different projectors depending on the content. I might end up with the JVC for my dark SCI-FI, HW30 for HDTV, animation and sports / racing since I love Sony's FI and a 3D DLP for perfect 3D viewing.

This is why I am interested in the W7000 since the lens shift will be ideal for my shelf mount setup. It should best the 5360 in a number of different areas, resolution / sharpness, better mounting flexibility (the acer stinks here), contrast / colors and hopefully a faster color wheel since I can STILL see RBE even in 3D mode on the Acer and find it distraction. Now that the lamp has dimmed some, it's not as bad.

it would also be nice if they threw in FI In 3D since this has a big impact on the Sony in 3D. The image becomes rock solid with no judder or flicker.
post #63 of 499
any guess how W7000 will stack up against Mitsubishi HC7800 (other than W7000 mounting flexibility smokes HC7800)?
post #64 of 499
Nope.

Benq to have a brighter best mode probably, that is my guess.
post #65 of 499
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

Deja - I get where you are coming from and I don't disagree if you are a die hard for complete ghost free 3D viewing.

I've had 4 3D projectors and one of these 3D DLP's is likely #5 if the price is right on the W7000. I can tell you that Sony made a nice improvement with their 2nd gen LCOS (strictly discussing 3D bluray at this point) and combined with the Monster Vision glasses, a good majority of my 3D bluray collection appears ghost free. You can see the tuning I've done on the MV3D's in my signature to eliminate the ghosting that was evident with the Sony glasses.

On my 142" screen, the Sony is clearly sharper and the color / contrast is better than the Acer 5360. Having said that, no it's not perfect, but a major improvement over the 1st gen JVC's.

I understand the frustration of people saying it's ghost free, when if you or I saw it, would be pointing out the ghosting left and right. It's even worse on my HP screen since it's so bright, so if it's ghosting, my eyes will be drawn to it.

personally, I have no problem running 2-3 different projectors depending on the content. I might end up with the JVC for my dark SCI-FI, HW30 for HDTV, animation and sports / racing since I love Sony's FI and a 3D DLP for perfect 3D viewing.

This is why I am interested in the W7000 since the lens shift will be ideal for my shelf mount setup. It should best the 5360 in a number of different areas, resolution / sharpness, better mounting flexibility (the acer stinks here), contrast / colors and hopefully a faster color wheel since I can STILL see RBE even in 3D mode on the Acer and find it distraction. Now that the lamp has dimmed some, it's not as bad.

it would also be nice if they threw in FI In 3D since this has a big impact on the Sony in 3D. The image becomes rock solid with no judder or flicker.

You're one of the guys I pay attention to as well. I'm just not interested in experimenting with several different types of 3D glasses and I'm certainly not interested in going through several different 3D projectors to find one I can live with. I'm interested in 1080p 3D so it looks like I'll be waiting for you guys to try the new ones out for me and report back.

I have no problem keeping what I have for 2D and buying 1080p 3D for exclusive 3D viewing; however, I want to get it right.
post #66 of 499
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 4 View Post

Mike. I said normally. and a room that is not normal doesn't fall into the normal classification. My room is normal, yours isn't. BTW. You and I are not normal.

Well I am pretty sure I am not normal. I just did not want someone reading here to think that minimal lens shift is all there is and one must have an ideal setting or forego FP altogether. That may sound silly but I am amazed at how many people do a search online, read one post of a thread, and then ask a question that is well....I think you know what I mean. And yes, even folks who know what they are doing, not saying I am one of them, can have a time figuring out the lens shift and offsets based on specs. From what I saw of the Acer H9500 it appears to more closely resemble the few click lens shift as that unit looks to have that feature in name only more so than robust adjustability allowing greater placement flexibility. Take care.
post #67 of 499
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Originally Posted by Deja Vu View Post

So you're like me! You don't trust all the reviews by reviewers and end users alike about all the ghost-free images they're seeing with the new LCD and LCoS 3D projectors.

When I scan the Sony 95 thread there's all sorts of comments about just how bad the ghosting was with the Sony 90 -- never heard it was this bad (except from Conan48) until the new model came out. The same goes for all the other 3D projectors from last year. Only you and Conan48 seemed to tell it like it was, but you were voices in the wilderness so it was hard to know just how much value to put on your observations. No question now! You or Conan48 buy a new projector and I'll pay close attention to what you guys say about it.

When next year's (2013) models come out I suspect that's when we'll get the real truth about this year's models. Call me cynical or what?

You and I are very similar it sounds like I just know that any amount of ghosting is going to bother me to some degree after seeing DLP in action with 3d. Even if it is much improved, or "almost completely ghost free", it still wont be on par with DLP in this area, especially with the more challenging 3d material (games, certain blu ray 3d discs, etc.....).

The problem with ghosting is it is very subjective as far as what is minor and what is major. I have watched certain 3d flicks with the GF/friends that I would describe as a significant and distracting issue as far as the ghosts, but she/they hardly think anything of it. Because of this (among other things) it is very hard to put much weight into any opinion/set of eyes but my own as far as this goes. So, while someone might report the Panny, JVC or Sony is nearly ghost free, I might have a different interpretation seeing the same thing.

The other issue is that from my experience with both my ST130 and HP 2.8 screen, the brighter screen definitely makes crosstalk much more obvious it seems. This is definitely part of the reason for the wide range of opinion on the ghosting with all these non DLPs (not to mention other variables).

There are other factors as well such as the "honeymoon period", bias, etc.....that make me take ALL these reports with a grain of salt to some degree.

Also, as much as I respect the opinion of some of those that have reported on the new Panny, new Sony models, the new JVCs, etc.....I can only get so excited until I see it for myself because I am one picky SOB when it comes to certain artifacts of which ghosting is one of them. My eyes just seem to naturally go to it no matter if I am looking for it or not now DLP is the only tech I am going to be totally happy with as far as crosstalk/3d is concerned (at least this year).

Having said all that, I just sold my RS40 last week and have a RS45 coming so look for my brutally honest reports on the 3d as I spend time with the projector. My main motivation for the 45 is 2d and lens memory which is why I went this route (I LOVE the JVCs for 2d since I mainly watch movies) and 3d is more of a bonus at this stage since I am honestly not expecting a significant improvement over the 40 all things considered (same panels, no FI for 3d, etc....). Hope I am wrong, but we will see.

Depending on the price of this 7000 and depending on how the 45 does, I would love to add this BenQ to my setup just for 3d! I have a feeling it is going to be a bit more than I want to spend right now though for a dedicated 3d machine, but we will see.
post #68 of 499
Deja, I understand where you are coming from not wanting to mess around with experimentation. I myself am trying to decide whether to implement a dual projector 3D set up or find one porjector that does both well. Truth be told my Optoma HD65 with the 3D firmware upgrade and 3D-XL box does the job just fine. However the firmware upgrade buggered my gamma and color settings completely, and my lamp is near the end of it's life so I am looking to upgrade like you. I see no ghoasting at all when playing the newest Uncharted video game. Although this may be due to my lamp not being bright enough. I try my darndest to see this ghotsting as well as the Rainbow effect many complain about, but I never see it. The 3D effect on my crappy set up is 10 times better than 98% percent of the 3D movies I have seen in the theatres. The only good 3D movies I have seen are Open Season, Avatar and Transformers 3 and they were all at the IMAX. The Real D and Digital 3D movies were never bright enough and after the first few minutes the 3D effect wore off.

I think it comes down to the fact that certain people seem to be more susceptible to ghosting and crosstalk just like the Rainbow effect, because I find it very strange that my $400 projector doesn't seem to have this problem even though it was never meant to be a 3D projector. So with that in mind, you may never be free or ghosting, but this new W7000 has sparked my interest because I do want to stay with a DLP set up. Just mu two cents.
post #69 of 499
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Originally Posted by pottscb View Post

zombie, don't give it by email...make him call you!

lol
post #70 of 499
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Originally Posted by pottscb View Post

Zombie, don't give it by email...MAKE HIM CALL YOU!

mark is a blast to talk to on the phone. We spent hours 1 night discussing various projectors, screens, calibration, etc. great enthusiasm for home theater.

I'll trade him the Sony lamp prices for the price of the W7000.
post #71 of 499
I was going to drive up there with a BenQ 7000 when I get one for him to do a review on his HP.

All I wanted to do was to compare our selling price for the new Sony lamp and cage to what others are charging. I think our price is very good but if he doesn't want to tell me, he posts but no email, that's OK. Zombie. Think Rouge burger for lunch.
post #72 of 499
So I am guessing for most it's going to be the Benq w7000 vs. Mits hc7800 vs. Optoma hd8300 in this roundup...

Just in case some of you missed it or weren't aware, some Optoma reviews are out there:
http://www.projectorreviews.com/optoma/hd8300/

For some reason this is the comparison I think is the most interesting this year, the shootout between these three DLP's.

The Benq is favored by me slightly before I've seen any of these since it has the more flexible center-based Lens Shift, but some will be more concerned about the contrast. Maybe the Benq will even win in contrast, who knows. Problem with the Optoma 8300 is the lack of brightness for 3d, and a few other issues.
post #73 of 499
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 4 View Post

I was going to drive up there with a BenQ 7000 when I get one for him to do a review on his HP.

All I wanted to do was to compare our selling price for the new Sony lamp and cage to what others are charging. I think our price is very good but if he doesn't want to tell me, he posts but no email, that's OK. Zombie. Think Rouge burger for lunch.

Mark - of course I was kidding, I emailed the lamp pricing. I am so used to PM'ing that I finally bookmarked your email contact in my email.

comon, I have a fresh set of Berkline 12000's for you to rest your rump in and enjoy the big HP.
post #74 of 499
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Ron's blog about W7000 on projectorrevews:
http://www.projectorreviews.com/proj...ratio-etc.html
post #75 of 499
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Originally Posted by Theologian View Post

Ron's blog about W7000 on projectorrevews:
http://www.projectorreviews.com/proj...ratio-etc.html

thanks for posting. Ron is great at discussion the details of the lens shift. this is a dream for the HP owners... finally a 3D DLP that can be mounted in the ideal location for maximum gain.

@ 300 watts, this should be a torch on my 2.8HP if it's anything like the SP890 which shares the same wattage lamp. I had to turn the lamp to low, the brightness was enough to burn the corneas.. perfect for 3D.

damn, I swore I wasn't going to buy any more projectors until 2012.
post #76 of 499
Do you still use the Acer, even though you have the Sony?
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

Do you still use the Acer, even though you have the Sony?

negative, I've been lending it to friends over the summer who use it for 'backyard movie night' since it's pretty bright.

if I get my hands on the W7000, you can be certain I'll be doing a side by side to finally put this cheapie 720DLP to sleep. I can't think of any reasons why the W7000 shouldn't smoke the Acer in every category.
post #78 of 499
I agree, it will smoke the Acer, and another good thing is most reviewers (after the firmware patch) really liked the Benq w6000's IRIS.

If the w7000 follows the w6000 you can also set the min/max range of the IRIS in the service menu. This means the DI can be tamed down or bumped up a little I think.

Also, on the w6000, it had a setting in the service menu so that even when the DI was disabled, you could use it sort of like a manual IRIS and dim the projector even farther than is normally able to (although with no change in contrast).

I am thinking perhaps Benq may have just moved that feature into the menu this time, hopefully. If they did, you'll have quite a bit of control on brightness, but even if they didn't, the Benq w6000 at least has a nice range on brightness between dimmest and brightest modes, which is going to help for people doing 2D and 3D when they do not want to use an ND filter or separate screens.

Now I am making some pretty big assumptions, but just throwing that out there.
post #79 of 499
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

thanks for posting. Ron is great at discussion the details of the lens shift. this is a dream for the HP owners... finally a 3D DLP that can be mounted in the ideal location for maximum gain.

@ 300 watts, this should be a torch on my 2.8HP if it's anything like the SP890 which shares the same wattage lamp. I had to turn the lamp to low, the brightness was enough to burn the corneas.. perfect for 3D.

damn, I swore I wasn't going to buy any more projectors until 2012.

And I am not going to smoke any more cigars. Shoot. My cigar went out while I was typing my post.
post #80 of 499
BTW, Our lamp pricing is fully competitive with the pricing of the lamp obtained by Zombie from another source.
post #81 of 499
I am glad Toe is getting the RS45. I want him and Conan48 to do a torture test for 3D. If it's good then I will buy the projector !!
post #82 of 499
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 4 View Post

BTW, Our lamp pricing is fully competitive with the pricing of the lamp obtained by Zombie from another source.

mark - that is great, I'll make sure and let anyone asking to check with AVS for the lamp. You have to admit, it's pretty amazing compared to some of the other hefty priced UHP lamps on the market.

Any word yet on price or avail on the W7000?

We could do a mini-shootout and sell a bunch to the HP owners who are itching for 1080 3D DLP w/ just the right lens shift for max gain..

300watt lamp + max gain on the HP should cause some eye-squinting moments through the glasses which I would not complain about.
post #83 of 499
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Originally Posted by Ranger View Post

I am glad Toe is getting the RS45. I want him and Conan48 to do a torture test for 3D. If it's good then I will buy the projector !!

I will do my best! First disc I am throwing in will be Dinosaurs Giants of Patagonia which was a ghosting train wreck on my RS40. From there I will check out some other ghosting problem discs such as Grand Canyon, Space Station, Despicable Me, Megamind and then move onto the real torture test......games! My 40 always had significant ghosting with the few games I played, so this should be a good test for the 45.


The big question for me with the 45 as far as 3d goes is if the ghosting will maintain itself unlike the 40. If JVC has somehow got this under control, this should be a fairly solid 3d projector overall for blu ray 3d. Chances are gaming will still have plenty of ghosting though (and blu ray 3d will certainly not be ghost free) Of course the Sonys will still have the advantage for flicker and FI in 3d (and most likely ghosting), but it would be a HUGE improvement over the previous 40/50/60 for blu ray 3d at least if the ghosting does not increase with lamp hours like it does on the previous models. Should be interesting. I dont expect any of these non DLPs to be on par with this BenQ 7000 or the other 3d DLP units as far as crosstalk of course, but some improvement would be great

I am really curious what kind of street price AVS will have on this 7000 though since I have one of those pesky 0% interest cards burning a hole in my pocket that I am sure Mark would be happy to help me with
post #84 of 499
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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

I am really curious what kind of street price AVS will have on this 7000 though since I have one of those pesky 0% interest cards burning a hole in my pocket that I am sure Mark would be happy to help me with

same here, I hope mark can get one early, i'd love to see it in person since he is only 2 hours from me. I have every single 3D BD ever released and know all the hot-spots to check, plus a ton of SBS content and a few 3D SBS games as well.

The 45 for 2D and the W7000 for 3D should be a rocking combo, especially with a center mount on your HP screen.
post #85 of 499
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

same here, I hope mark can get one early, i'd love to see it in person since he is only 2 hours from me. I have every single 3D BD ever released and know all the hot-spots to check, plus a ton of SBS content and a few 3D SBS games as well.

The 45 for 2D and the W7000 for 3D should be a rocking combo, especially with a center mount on your HP screen.

No doubt! I would love to get a report from you and Mark considering the experience you guys have with all the various 3d units. Hope these hit soon. I am just excited we finally have a 1080p 3d DLP unit with REAL lens shift for us shelf mount HP users!
post #86 of 499
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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

No doubt! I would love to get a report from you and Mark considering the experience you guys have with all the various 3d units. Hope these hit soon. I am just excited we finally have a 1080p 3d DLP unit with REAL lens shift for us shelf mount HP users!

I have the W6000 and SP890 @ work. The 890 doesn't have an iris, but does have the 300 watt lamp. it is a light cannon which I'm hoping makes it way into the W7000.

The HW30 is bright through the glasses @ shortest throw on the 142" HP, I hope the W7000 is even brighter with rock solid, zero ghosting 3D for all 3D content.

the BenQ lens are surprisingly sharp considering how cheap they look. We use the SP890 for 1920x1080p desktop presentations and the pixels are sharp from edge to edge, top to bottom.
post #87 of 499
[QUOTE=zombie10k
We could do a mini-shootout and sell a bunch to the HP owners who are itching for 1080 3D DLP w/ just the right lens shift for max gain..



I'm in that group, I want to switch to DLP technology. I'm wondering based on past projectors how would the W7000 fare against the JVC 45 with black levels?
post #88 of 499
I will get a demo out of the first bunch. Email me if you would like it after we do the shoot out. Will do a free calibration on it.

Zombie is clueless about what a Rouge burger is. Its the burger served at a down town Philly restaurant called the Rouge. And its rated as being in the top ten burgers in the US. It should be at $16, MSRP.
post #89 of 499
Does this unit have horizontal lens shift?
post #90 of 499
^^^^^ Yes. 40% I think.


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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

I have the W6000 and SP890 @ work. The 890 doesn't have an iris, but does have the 300 watt lamp. it is a light cannon which I'm hoping makes it way into the W7000.

The HW30 is bright through the glasses @ shortest throw on the 142" HP, I hope the W7000 is even brighter with rock solid, zero ghosting 3D for all 3D content.

the BenQ lens are surprisingly sharp considering how cheap they look. We use the SP890 for 1920x1080p desktop presentations and the pixels are sharp from edge to edge, top to bottom.

That is great to hear. BIG potential on this unit. Hope we get FI for 3d as well.

The other question I have is how much distance is suggested/needed between the rear of the projector and the back wall if doing a shelf mount?
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