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post #1051 of 1539
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

If you press the "info" button on your remote when you are in the guide this menu shows up.

Exactly... then you can select Disable Channel, which is the same as unchecking a the channel in guide setup (or Guide Tool) without the hassle.  Much quicker when you just have a single or just a few channels to disable.  It's also easy access to editing guide associations or tuner priorities via Edit Channel.

post #1052 of 1539
I'm not getting all of my channels again from Comcast. Before it was a filter left over from my Limited Basic days. This is slightly different. For one thing, it seems to affect different channels at different times.

In WMC I get a no signal message, but if I go to the HDHR programs, it shows 100% signal, but in the channel name it adds "[No Data.]" If I try to go to a channel I'm not subscribed to, I get a message to that effect.

Any idea what could be causing that sort of problem? The first Comcast rep I spoke with didn't have a clue--he told me I had upgraded to "Limited Basic" back in September, and wanted me to unplug my HDMI cable as part of his problem solving. The second one knew more, but still couldn't help me.
post #1053 of 1539
Your CableCARD needs a CCV hit.
post #1054 of 1539
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

Your CableCARD needs a CCV hit.

The second one sent a "signal" to the card twice. Is that likely a CCV hit? What does CCV mean?
post #1055 of 1539
I believe it is CableCARD Validation. The second was probably a Standard Hit which is just to reactivate it.

Is it working now?
post #1056 of 1539
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Originally Posted by JDLIVE View Post

My audio device (ATI 5450) has a setting called "loudness equalization", might see if yours does also. For my card it's in the device properties, enhancements tab.
Thanks.
I'll take a look see.
post #1057 of 1539
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Originally Posted by Karyk View Post

I'm not getting all of my channels again from Comcast. Before it was a filter left over from my Limited Basic days. This is slightly different. For one thing, it seems to affect different channels at different times.

In WMC I get a no signal message, but if I go to the HDHR programs, it shows 100% signal, but in the channel name it adds "[No Data.]" If I try to go to a channel I'm not subscribed to, I get a message to that effect.

Any idea what could be causing that sort of problem? The first Comcast rep I spoke with didn't have a clue--he told me I had upgraded to "Limited Basic" back in September, and wanted me to unplug my HDMI cable as part of his problem solving. The second one knew more, but still couldn't help me.

If the hit didn't fix it, usually this has something to do with DRM and the playback of protected channels. If you are in a moto area, sometimes these hits reset the data id which will then need to be verified that it is proper in the account. Usually the page you get this information does not refresh automatically so be sure to refresh the page and see if the id changed.

what does the status summary say?
Somewhere it should say :
Summary
Card Authentication success
Card OOB Lock success
Card Activation success

Whats the tuner status when tuned to a problem channel?
I'd be looking at CCI and cgms such as:
Authorization subscribed
CCI Protection unrestricted
CGMS Protection n/a

Since its intermittent, what are the signal levels like and does your system use SDV and require a tuning adapter? Usually comcast doesn't use sdv so it's unlikely you need a tuning adapter. Occasionally I've seen bad card maps get pushed out so if you have a device that can tune the channel, check and see if it is tuning the same physical channel such as 101.5, with a "." or "-" (or frequency/program number) not the virtual channel of 192 without any program number.

I had one location where many TA requests were being ignored and if the channel happened to be "on" would tune fine but if it wasn't on, it would not serve the request.

Is the station in clear qam? There are lots of things that can "confuse" cable card tuners/WMC when they are tuning clear qam stations and the subscription status or cci isn't present. Occasionally I see similar errors when playready and wmc isn't properly set up for a cablecard tuner, especially when all one's subscribed channels are clear and/or copy freely and then all of a sudden there is some form of drm on the channel that isn't expected.

As you noted your problem before was a filter, since you say its intermittent I doubt the filter is back but on occasion I've seen channels moved without regard to the filters that are in place and/or audit on lines put filters back mistakenly, For me it happened when they re-labeled the lines in a condo complex and they put the unit number of my neighbor on my line... at the time this only affected tuning the analog versions of channels so my boxes didn't care, but a later change in frequencies then blocked digital channels I subscribed to, I had to take off two days of work since they "required" my presence and didn't show the first day (funny how they didn't require my presence to mess it up) but the guy came and fixed it even before knocking on my door and brought me down and showed me the old tag on the line plainly stating my unit number while the new tag had the wrong number and the line next to it had the same number so when the auditors came they put the filter on my line by mistake.

Recently I read a post over at SD's forum where a problem was that his splitter was an old UHF/VHF splitter/combiner so one leg wasn't getting the frequencies needed. Just thought I'd mention that here so people here can "file" it in their "troubleshooting guide" as that isn't something I've seen in a long time with 3 coax connections as usually my UHF was 300 ohm when I had them.
Edited by signcarver - 2/10/13 at 8:18pm
post #1058 of 1539
Go to your HDHR homepage in your web browswer and check your signal levels on those frequencies via the status menu option. What you want to do is have WMC tuned to that channel while you're looking at that status page. Check that the Signal Quality is above 32dB. In my area when signal quality goes below 29dB you're going to be experiencing digital freeze. When it's at 27 you have no picture. The quick remedies to get your signal quality up is to check for lose connectors and be sure your splitters are digital with range from 5-1005 mhz. Short version is use the tuner in the HDHR to help you diagnose signal problems. Also, when you get a hit it does take some time for your channels to come in. I'm not talking the 20 mins they say over the phone I'm talking about 2 and 3 days sometimes, at least it did for me.
post #1059 of 1539
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Originally Posted by willchrevans View Post

Also, when you get a hit it does take some time for your channels to come in. I'm not talking the 20 mins they say over the phone I'm talking about 2 and 3 days sometimes, at least it did for me.

I can't see how a hit took less than a minute for me, but 2-3 days for someone else. This is electricity we are talking about, there shouldn't be some holding pattern from a Tier 2 tech your on the phone with. If they "send" a hit, it could travel around the world over a million times in 2-3 days

If your device activates, but not all channels in your "subscription" are available then your local office needs to verify that your cablecard / account information / subscription plan all match. Otherwise you'll be missing channels or receiving more (missing is more likely smile.gif )
post #1060 of 1539
Checking out some of my status reporting.
See anything that needs attention?


Prime A:
CableCARD Status
Card Manufacturer Cisco
Card Authentication success
Card Activation success
3DES encryption supported

OOB Frequency 74.000 MHz
OOB Lock 1.544 Mbps
Signal Strength 77% (-14.4 dBmV)
Signal Quality 100% (35.0 dB)

Channel List cablecard-oob
***********************

Card Authentication success
Card OOB Lock weak
Card Activation success

Tuner 0 Channel none
Tuner 1 Channel none
Tuner 2 Channel none
***********************
Summary
Card Authentication success
Card OOB Lock weak
Card Activation success

Tuner 0 Channel none
Tuner 1 Channel none
Tuner 2 Channel none

Prime B:
Summary
Card Authentication success
Card OOB Lock weak
Card Activation success

Tuner 0 Channel none
Tuner 1 Channel 854 FAMHD
Tuner 2 Channel none
**************************
CableCARD Status
Card Manufacturer Cisco
Card Authentication success
Card Activation success
3DES encryption supported

OOB Frequency 74.000 MHz
OOB Lock 1.544 Mbps
Signal Strength 80% (-12.1 dBmV)
Signal Quality 100% (35.4 dB)

Channel List cablecard-oob
**************************
Tuner 1 Status
Virtual Channel 854 FAMHD
Frequency 729.000 MHz
Program Number 854
Authorization subscribed
CCI Protection unrestricted
CGMS Protection n/a

Modulation Lock qam256
PCR Lock locked
Signal Strength 69% (-18.6 dBmV)
Signal Quality 91% (33.8 dB)
Symbol Quality 100%

Streaming Rate 6.043 Mbps
post #1061 of 1539
Quote:
Originally Posted by JDLIVE

My audio device (ATI 5450) has a setting called "loudness equalization", might see if yours does also. For my card it's in the device properties, enhancements tab.
Thanks.
I'll take a look see.

Looked and found a setting so it is wait-n-see.
post #1062 of 1539
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Originally Posted by WaterBoyz View Post

Checking out some of my status reporting.
See anything that needs attention?


Prime A:
CableCARD Status
Card Manufacturer Cisco
Card Authentication success
Card Activation success
3DES encryption supported

OOB Frequency 74.000 MHz
OOB Lock 1.544 Mbps
Signal Strength 77% (-14.4 dBmV)
Signal Quality 100% (35.0 dB)

Channel List cablecard-oob
***********************

Card Authentication success
Card OOB Lock weak
Card Activation success

Tuner 0 Channel none
Tuner 1 Channel none
Tuner 2 Channel none
***********************
Summary
Card Authentication success
Card OOB Lock weak
Card Activation success

Tuner 0 Channel none
Tuner 1 Channel none
Tuner 2 Channel none

Prime B:
Summary
Card Authentication success
Card OOB Lock weak
Card Activation success

Tuner 0 Channel none
Tuner 1 Channel 854 FAMHD
Tuner 2 Channel none
**************************
CableCARD Status
Card Manufacturer Cisco
Card Authentication success
Card Activation success
3DES encryption supported

OOB Frequency 74.000 MHz
OOB Lock 1.544 Mbps
Signal Strength 80% (-12.1 dBmV)
Signal Quality 100% (35.4 dB)

Channel List cablecard-oob
**************************
Tuner 1 Status
Virtual Channel 854 FAMHD
Frequency 729.000 MHz
Program Number 854
Authorization subscribed
CCI Protection unrestricted
CGMS Protection n/a

Modulation Lock qam256
PCR Lock locked
Signal Strength 69% (-18.6 dBmV)
Signal Quality 91% (33.8 dB)
Symbol Quality 100%

Streaming Rate 6.043 Mbps

Signal levels are very low.

post #1063 of 1539
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Originally Posted by jcalabria View Post

Signal levels are very low.
Current coax run is:
Main line (from demarcation point is about 48ft) splits 1 in 2 out = Modem and TV line.
TV line (about 1 inch) splits 1 in 4 out = HD-Prime (A) (about 3 ft) x HD-Prime (B) (about 3 ft) x Comcast DVR x Comcast HD-DVR.

Both splitters are Comcast installed units rated 5-1000.
All coax is RG6.

What should I be looking for?
post #1064 of 1539
Fittings? Are they compression fittings or crimp fittings? It could be in the CableCo's line too. One other thing.. Try one of the primes without the 4:1 splitter. I'm thinking your problem is there. Demarcation > 5 feet > 1:2 splitter to the Tuning Resolver and modem 2 feet. another 2 feet from the Tuning Resolver to the prime.
post #1065 of 1539
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

Fittings? Are they compression fittings or crimp fittings? It could be in the CableCo's line too. One other thing.. Try one of the primes without the 4:1 splitter. I'm thinking your problem is there. Demarcation > 5 feet > 1:2 splitter to the Tuning Resolver and modem 2 feet. another 2 feet from the Tuning Resolver to the prime.
My fittings are crimp starting at the demarcation box.
All of the equipment is locate in my basement office area except for the the 2 Comcast STBs and the HTPC. The demarcation box is in an area of no electricity which is why (the 48 ft run) the equipment is in my office so I can kinda monitor it. I'll give the try to move the Prime up stream in the splitter world and see how the numbers come out.

OK, not sure what you are calling "Tuning Resolver"?
post #1066 of 1539
Comcast doesn't use them. Replace all crimp fittings with compression fittings.
post #1067 of 1539
I thought crimp was better than compression?
I guess my "old school" is showing.
post #1068 of 1539

Compression Fitting


Crimp Fitting
post #1069 of 1539
FWIW, my channels were all working yesterday. I'm still trying to figure out if this is intermittent, but when I have the issue the signal level appears strong.
post #1070 of 1539
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post


Compression Fitting


Crimp Fitting

Ok, compression is it.
Gotta get the tool and connectors.

Might as well get new splitters.
5-1gig or 5-2gig?
post #1071 of 1539
Hey all,

I just built an HTPC last month and so far love it. I'm considering getting a SD HDHomeRun Prime to ditch the evil Comcast box. However, i'm hesitant to buy now because the 4-tuner coming out in mid-summer. I have the following questions:

1) Is it worth the wait? Is the on-the-fly H.264 encoding going to really help? I'm thinking of using a Raspberry Pi someday as a mini HTPC for the other TVs in my house (only have 1 TV now), would it help there? Obviously the extra tuner is welcome too.

2) If I get the 3-tuner now and the 4-tuner later (when I get more TVs, for example) would that work? I know WMC has the tuner limit without TunerSalad, but if I have lets say 2 TVs, could I assign 3 tuners to one TV and the others to another TV? Would that work? Or would there still be a problem?

3) I'm moving in with my fiance (soon wife) in a couple of months (right around when the 4-tuner should come out). She's not 100% tech savvy, so I"m thinking it would be a good idea to get the tuner now to iron out the bugs so there's no WAF problems. Bad idea?

Thanks!!
post #1072 of 1539
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Originally Posted by WaterBoyz View Post

Checking out some of my status reporting.
See anything that needs attention?

. . .
OOB Frequency 74.000 MHz
OOB Lock 1.544 Mbps
Signal Strength 77% (-14.4 dBmV)
Signal Quality 100% (35.0 dB)
. . .

Card Authentication success
Card OOB Lock weak
Card Activation success

. . .
Prime B:
Summary
Card Authentication success
Card OOB Lock weak
Card Activation success
. . .
OOB Frequency 74.000 MHz
OOB Lock 1.544 Mbps
Signal Strength 80% (-12.1 dBmV)
Signal Quality 100% (35.4 dB)
. . .
Virtual Channel 854 FAMHD
Frequency 729.000 MHz
Program Number 854
. . .
Modulation Lock qam256
PCR Lock locked
Signal Strength 69% (-18.6 dBmV)
Signal Quality 91% (33.8 dB)
Symbol Quality 100%

Signal levels should be between+/- 10 dBmV and I actually prefer between +/-7, 0 is perfect
Just out of curiosity, what are your modem signals like? (Usually at 192.168.100.1 )

You may need an amp for the split prior to the 4 way (some don't like amps before the modem, some would prefer the amp prior to the first split) but unless I see some data from the modem that suggests you are getting a good signal to begin with, you may need a truck roll to correct your signal levels as just adding an amp isn't always a good idea if you are amplifying a junk signal. Occasionally, I' ve seen taps used for the first 2 way splitter and on occasion, I've seen them connect the wrong end to the modem vs the the leg for the tv feed as they generally think "lets give the modem the best signal" thus reducing the feed to the tv's even greater amount since it will be split again.
post #1073 of 1539
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Originally Posted by gewbert View Post

Hey all,

I just built an HTPC last month and so far love it. I'm considering getting a SD HDHomeRun Prime to ditch the evil Comcast box. However, i'm hesitant to buy now because the 4-tuner coming out in mid-summer. I have the following questions:

1) Is it worth the wait? Is the on-the-fly H.264 encoding going to really help? I'm thinking of using a Raspberry Pi someday as a mini HTPC for the other TVs in my house (only have 1 TV now), would it help there? Obviously the extra tuner is welcome too.

2) If I get the 3-tuner now and the 4-tuner later (when I get more TVs, for example) would that work? I know WMC has the tuner limit without TunerSalad, but if I have lets say 2 TVs, could I assign 3 tuners to one TV and the others to another TV? Would that work? Or would there still be a problem?

3) I'm moving in with my fiance (soon wife) in a couple of months (right around when the 4-tuner should come out). She's not 100% tech savvy, so I"m thinking it would be a good idea to get the tuner now to iron out the bugs so there's no WAF problems. Bad idea?

Thanks!!

Why wait? You don't assign tuners to a TV. Assign all of them to each PC on your network and the Silicon Dust software works it's magic to assign them as requested to each PC. That is why it is "network attached" You will need an HTPC or extender at each TV with a wired network connection there. Do it now and get it set up with the bugs worked out. In my system you really don't even know there's a PC or CableCARD tuner involved and it all works mostly flawlessly with an occasional hiccup but not many at all. Really not any more than the CableCo STB/DVR at this point.
post #1074 of 1539
Quote:
Originally Posted by WaterBoyz View Post

Ok, compression is it.
Gotta get the tool and connectors.

Might as well get new splitters.
5-1gig or 5-2gig?

I had signal problems requiring a truck roll at the CableCo's expense. Turns out somebody near me was back feeding the cable system inadvertently. But as I do whenever I see a CableCo tech, I get them to give me various lengths of RG6 with nice compression fittings on them.
post #1075 of 1539
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

Why wait? You don't assign tuners to a TV. Assign all of them to each PC on your network and the Silicon Dust software works it's magic to assign them as requested to each PC. That is why it is "network attached" You will need an HTPC or extender at each TV with a wired network connection there. Do it now and get it set up with the bugs worked out. In my system you really don't even know there's a PC or CableCARD tuner involved and it all works mostly flawlessly with an occasional hiccup but not many at all. Really not any more than the CableCo STB/DVR at this point.

I still thought there was a tuner limit imposed by WMC. I thought if you had multiple tuners on the network WMC would freak out, hence TunerSalad.
post #1076 of 1539
Quote:
Originally Posted by signcarver View Post

Signal levels should be between+/- 10 dBmV and I actually prefer between +/-7, 0 is perfect
Just out of curiosity, what are your modem signals like? (Usually at 192.168.100.1 )

You may need an amp for the split prior to the 4 way (some don't like amps before the modem, some would prefer the amp prior to the first split) but unless I see some data from the modem that suggests you are getting a good signal to begin with, you may need a truck roll to correct your signal levels as just adding an amp isn't always a good idea if you are amplifying a junk signal. Occasionally, I' ve seen taps used for the first 2 way splitter and on occasion, I've seen them connect the wrong end to the modem vs the the leg for the tv feed as they generally think "lets give the modem the best signal" thus reducing the feed to the tv's even greater amount since it will be split again.

Here ya go.......

Motorola Surfboard SB-6120

Downstream
Channel ID - 1 Bonding Channel Value
Frequency = 663000000 Hz
Signal to Noise Ratio = 37 dB
Downstream Modulation = QAM256
Power Level = 1 dBmV

Channel ID - 3 Bonding Channel Value
Frequency = 675000000 Hz
Signal to Noise Ratio = 37 dB
Downstream Modulation = QAM256
Power Level = 1 dBmV

Channel ID - 4 Bonding Channel Value
Frequency = 681000000 Hz
Signal to Noise Ratio = 37 dB
Downstream Modulation = QAM256
Power Level = 1 dBmV

Channel ID - 6 Bonding Channel Value
Frequency = 693000000 Hz
Signal to Noise Ratio = 38 dB
Downstream Modulation = QAM256
Power Level = 2 dBmV


Upstream
Channel ID - 4 Bonding Channel Value
Frequency = 34800000 Hz
Ranging Service ID = 6750
Symbol Rate = 5.120 Msym/sec
Power Level =48 dBmV
Upstream Modulation = [3] QPSK [3] 64QAM

Channel ID - 5 Bonding Channel Value
Frequency = 27900000 Hz
Ranging Service ID = 6750
Symbol Rate = 2.560 Msym/sec
Power Level = 48 dBmV
Upstream Modulation = [3] QPSK [3] 16QAM
post #1077 of 1539
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Originally Posted by gewbert View Post

I still thought there was a tuner limit imposed by WMC. I thought if you had multiple tuners on the network WMC would freak out, hence TunerSalad.

They'll all be assigned to each PC so if you get the 3 tuner model you will need tuner salad when you get the 4 tuner model.
post #1078 of 1539
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

They'll all be assigned to each PC so if you get the 3 tuner model you will need tuner salad when you get the 4 tuner model.

Ahh ok. Thanks!
post #1079 of 1539
This may also be a dumb question about tuner limits, but is the limit only in WMC? Meaning if I use something like NextPVR i wouldn't run into the problem? Or is it a limit imposed by Windows? I know the encryption limitations on not using WMC, won't affect me.
post #1080 of 1539
The limit is only in WMC and it's not a Windows limitation. I think sub said once that the hard limit in NextPVR is something like 20 tuners. I personally have 10 tuners configured in my main NextPVR machine.

Note that some tuner drivers do not allow more than a certain number of devices though. I think there was a Hauppauge tuner card (PVR 150 maybe) that would only install drivers for 2 tuners in one system. HDHRs have no such limit of which I am aware.
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